BCFCadam Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Man City v Wigan: This is ridiculous, 50/50 challenge that was probably a booking gets punished as a red, but whats made it worse is the ref walking over with a yellow in his hand, gets surrounded by the Wigan players and changes his mind. I thought we were trying to reduce dissent to referees? Proving that player input influences decisions will only encourage it, as now players know they could potentially change it. Shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 I completely forgot Delph was still in football! Agree re surrounding the referee, but as much as I hate it I have to admit it's kind of refreshing that it's gone against one of the big teams for a change. Watching the Blackburn v Bury game myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, BCFCadam said: Man City v Wigan: This is ridiculous, 50/50 challenge that was probably a booking gets punished as a red, but whats made it worse is the ref walking over with a yellow in his hand, gets surrounded by the Wigan players and changes his mind. I thought we were trying to reduce dissent to referees? Proving that player input influences decisions will only encourage it, as now players know they could potentially change it. Shambles. I think it was probably the assistant ref that changed his mind rather than some Wigan players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 If Baker's was a red so was that, in my opinion, but the inconsistency does my head in. And as you say the players overreaction and mob mentality was pure pantomime. JT and Mourinho's Chelsea team have a lot to answer for!!! Agree=Shambles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCadam Posted February 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: I think it was probably the assistant ref that changed his mind rather than some Wigan players. Potentially yes, but you can't argue this doesn't look suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 In today's football that is a red, no I don't agree with it but that's the way It is nowadays, 10 years ago the ref wouldn't have even bothered talking to you for it luckily for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 A definite red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Andy Horsman said: If Baker's was a red so was that, in my opinion, but the inconsistency does my head in. And as you say the players overreaction and mob mentality was pure pantomime. JT and Mourinho's Chelsea team have a lot to answer for!!! Agree=Shambles! I think a certain Knight of the Realm and his captain, Mr Keane, had rather more to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Andy Horsman said: If Baker's was a red so was that, in my opinion, but the inconsistency does my head in. And as you say the players overreaction and mob mentality was pure pantomime. JT and Mourinho's Chelsea team have a lot to answer for!!! Agree=Shambles! Remarkably similar to the Baker incident in some ways. In the grey area between yellow and red. Harsh in my view, but at the same time you can understand why he gave it, and an appeal would almost certainly fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said: Remarkably similar to the Baker incident in some ways. In the grey area between yellow and red. Harsh in my view, but at the same time you can understand why he gave it, and an appeal would almost certainly fail. I suspect if this gets appealed it will be overturned, as the FA will not want to upset Pep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 My initial reaction was that it could well be a red, and after seeing it a few times, don't think a red was unreasonable. Refs are only human and have to make a decision without the benefit of endless replays from all angles, so there always be a degree of inconsistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 As,long as the Wigan player wasn't simulating a head wound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Andy Horsman said: If Baker's was a red so was that, in my opinion, but the inconsistency does my head in. And as you say the players overreaction and mob mentality was pure pantomime. JT and Mourinho's Chelsea team have a lot to answer for!!! Agree=Shambles! Consistent tinkering from FIFA causes confusion or lack of clarity for many refs perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Watched this and it certainly wasn't something I would have liked to decide if I was the ref, In my playing days as a full back with heavier boots and ball it would have worked out different but with today's light boots and ball it certainly looked a lot more than it actually was. Hard job for the modern ref. If i was the ref ( and i obviously wasn't ) would have given a yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Really difficult one. On balance I reckon it should have been a yellow but I can see why the ref gave a red. One of those marginal ones that can go either way. I hate it when players surround the ref - surely this would be something fairly easy for the powers that be to eliminate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 12 hours ago, Andy Horsman said: If Baker's was a red so was that, in my opinion, but the inconsistency does my head in. And as you say the players overreaction and mob mentality was pure pantomime. JT and Mourinho's Chelsea team have a lot to answer for!!! Agree=Shambles! I think 20 years of Fergie and his gang of players (ably led by Roy Keane) have a lot more to answer for in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, downendcity said: I think 20 years of Fergie and his gang of players (ably led by Roy Keane) have a lot more to answer for in that respect. 10 hours ago, ScottishRed said: I think a certain Knight of the Realm and his captain, Mr Keane, had rather more to do with that. Apologies Scottish. I really must learn to read the whole thread before posting, but obviously great minds think alike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman_Red Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I think it's an attempt at a honest slide tackle - his trailing leg is on the floor and therefore he should have an element of control. However he goes over the top of the ball with his leading leg and makes contact with the defender. It's his trailing leg that makes contact with the ball, which is irrelevant as he's already committed a foul. Red? Can see why he's given it and can also see why if he'd only given yellow. On a Sunday morning? The ref says 'he won the ball, good tackle, play on!' or maybe just gives a free kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 hours ago, oldstandrobin said: Watched this and it certainly wasn't something I would have liked to decide if I was the ref, In my playing days as a full back with heavier boots and ball it would have worked out different but with today's light boots and ball it certainly looked a lot more than it actually was. Hard job for the modern ref. If i was the ref ( and i obviously wasn't ) would have given a yellow. I agree with most of the views that this was a 50/50 yellow or red. So with instances like this then unless the ref / assistants are 100% it should be red then it has to be a yellow. Shouldn't be dishing out red cards on a guess and or pressure from anyone else on the field / touchline / stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, downendcity said: I think 20 years of Fergie and his gang of players (ably led by Roy Keane) have a lot more to answer for in that respect. Invariably! The irony of Keane being one of the biggest thugs in football was never lost on me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 9 hours ago, havanatopia said: Consistent tinkering from FIFA causes confusion or lack of clarity for many refs perhaps? Without a doubt. Rightly or wrongly the old offside/handball/penalty scenarios, for example, were far less 'interpretive' and as a result there was greater clarity. And the continuous tinkering and revisionism just leads to more confusion and frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 12 hours ago, CliftonCliff said: Remarkably similar to the Baker incident in some ways. In the grey area between yellow and red. Harsh in my view, but at the same time you can understand why he gave it, and an appeal would almost certainly fail. Definitely worse than Baker’s imo, leg was far higher with studs up. Potentially bias glasses but Delph’s did seem worse to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 hours ago, BCFCGav said: Definitely worse than Baker’s imo, leg was far higher with studs up. Potentially bias glasses but Delph’s did seem worse to me. I agree, Bakers was across the player and a mis-timed trip and warranted a yellow where Delph's was face on with his foot off the floor and more likely a red but thought he got the ball and followed through. I still think a yellow in both cases was sufficient where as the one on Sane by the Cardiff player was a clear red but not given as such but probably the most dangerous if the three tackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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