Fred Smith Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Morning. A cut and paste for you: Bristol City ticket allocation the facts! There is a lot of speculation on social media regarding Bristol City allocation, below is a timeline of events that led to the reduced allocation and Sunday 12 o clock kick off; Bristol City communicated with Cardiff City regarding allocation and kick off time; Police wanted some kind of restriction on the fixture after some Bristol City fans caused disorder during the past two seasons with 35 arrests 2 years ago vandalising a bar that had been allocated to them, causing criminal damage during the escort and clashing with the police. There were a further 29 arrests last season after clashes with stewards and police under the stands leading to a steward being kicked unconscious. Cardiff City managed to agree with South wales police an allocation of 2460 tickets with a 3 o clock kick off for Bristol City, providing their fans went to a soft ticket exchange. Bristol City refused the restriction and wanted their supporters to be able to travel without travel restrictions. Cardiff City FC went back to the police, and South wales police agreed no restrictions, if the kick off was brought forward to 12 o clock and ticket restrictions imposed with a reduction of 1000 tickets to 1460. The reason for the game to be moved to Sunday midday kick off was agreed by the managers of both clubs; 18th February Norwich play Ipswich for the tractor derby leading to our fixture with Ipswich scheduled for 20th being moved to 21st. Bristol City also play Leeds with 16.30 kick off on the 18th and have rearranged their Fixture scheduled for the 20th to the 21st February against Fulham. Both managers wanted the extra day off and requested a date change. Hope this clears up the speculation.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 So Cardiff have got their tongue up the Heddlu's ringpiece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pommers65 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Has this not been common knowledge for awhile though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespa Red Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Fred Smith said: Morning. A cut and paste for you: Bristol City ticket allocation the facts! There is a lot of speculation on social media regarding Bristol City allocation, below is a timeline of events that led to the reduced allocation and Sunday 12 o clock kick off; Bristol City communicated with Cardiff City regarding allocation and kick off time; Police wanted some kind of restriction on the fixture after some Bristol City fans caused disorder during the past two seasons with 35 arrests 2 years ago vandalising a bar that had been allocated to them, causing criminal damage during the escort and clashing with the police. There were a further 29 arrests last season after clashes with stewards and police under the stands leading to a steward being kicked unconscious. Cardiff City managed to agree with South wales police an allocation of 2460 tickets with a 3 o clock kick off for Bristol City, providing their fans went to a soft ticket exchange. Bristol City refused the restriction and wanted their supporters to be able to travel without travel restrictions. Cardiff City FC went back to the police, and South wales police agreed no restrictions, if the kick off was brought forward to 12 o clock and ticket restrictions imposed with a reduction of 1000 tickets to 1460. The reason for the game to be moved to Sunday midday kick off was agreed by the managers of both clubs; 18th February Norwich play Ipswich for the tractor derby leading to our fixture with Ipswich scheduled for 20th being moved to 21st. Bristol City also play Leeds with 16.30 kick off on the 18th and have rearranged their Fixture scheduled for the 20th to the 21st February against Fulham. Both managers wanted the extra day off and requested a date change. Hope this clears up the speculation.' And you are? And this came from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, Vespa Red said: And you are? And this came from? He's Fred Smith and the story was in the EP a week ago so must be true ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I don’t understand how 2460 fans with restricted travel can be decided as equivalent risk to 1460 with free travel. Who sets these entirely notional ideas? Why does free travel mean 1000 less fans, what does that achieve?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Fred Smith said: Morning. A cut and paste for you: Bristol City ticket allocation the facts! There is a lot of speculation on social media regarding Bristol City allocation, below is a timeline of events that led to the reduced allocation and Sunday 12 o clock kick off; Bristol City communicated with Cardiff City regarding allocation and kick off time; Police wanted some kind of restriction on the fixture after some Bristol City fans caused disorder during the past two seasons with 35 arrests 2 years ago vandalising a bar that had been allocated to them, causing criminal damage during the escort and clashing with the police. There were a further 29 arrests last season after clashes with stewards and police under the stands leading to a steward being kicked unconscious. Cardiff City managed to agree with South wales police an allocation of 2460 tickets with a 3 o clock kick off for Bristol City, providing their fans went to a soft ticket exchange. Bristol City refused the restriction and wanted their supporters to be able to travel without travel restrictions. Cardiff City FC went back to the police, and South wales police agreed no restrictions, if the kick off was brought forward to 12 o clock and ticket restrictions imposed with a reduction of 1000 tickets to 1460. The reason for the game to be moved to Sunday midday kick off was agreed by the managers of both clubs; 18th February Norwich play Ipswich for the tractor derby leading to our fixture with Ipswich scheduled for 20th being moved to 21st. Bristol City also play Leeds with 16.30 kick off on the 18th and have rearranged their Fixture scheduled for the 20th to the 21st February against Fulham. Both managers wanted the extra day off and requested a date change. Hope this clears up the speculation.' Hi Colin, nice of you to sign up to OTIB at last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Fred Smith said: Morning. A cut and paste for you: Bristol City ticket allocation the facts! There is a lot of speculation on social media regarding Bristol City allocation, below is a timeline of events that led to the reduced allocation and Sunday 12 o clock kick off; Bristol City communicated with Cardiff City regarding allocation and kick off time; Police wanted some kind of restriction on the fixture after some Bristol City fans caused disorder during the past two seasons with 35 arrests 2 years ago vandalising a bar that had been allocated to them, causing criminal damage during the escort and clashing with the police. There were a further 29 arrests last season after clashes with stewards and police under the stands leading to a steward being kicked unconscious. Cardiff City managed to agree with South wales police an allocation of 2460 tickets with a 3 o clock kick off for Bristol City, providing their fans went to a soft ticket exchange. Bristol City refused the restriction and wanted their supporters to be able to travel without travel restrictions. Cardiff City FC went back to the police, and South wales police agreed no restrictions, if the kick off was brought forward to 12 o clock and ticket restrictions imposed with a reduction of 1000 tickets to 1460. The reason for the game to be moved to Sunday midday kick off was agreed by the managers of both clubs; 18th February Norwich play Ipswich for the tractor derby leading to our fixture with Ipswich scheduled for 20th being moved to 21st. Bristol City also play Leeds with 16.30 kick off on the 18th and have rearranged their Fixture scheduled for the 20th to the 21st February against Fulham. Both managers wanted the extra day off and requested a date change. Hope this clears up the speculation.' Can’t be true, as we don’t have a manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 I don't get the 'number of arrests' argument as justification for this. If those arrests resulted in conviction then yes, it would be a valid metric to make a decision against. But if the police were briefed by their commanding officers to 'Nick anyone, the moment they step out of line' then the number of arrests made is hardly relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad cabbie Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Arrest argument couldnt agree more , very big difference between arrest & convicton !!!!!! Seems city fans are getting a raw deal here and how many arrests have been made against city supporters at away games since ?? Hmmmmm 9 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: I don't get the 'number of arrests' argument as justification for this. If those arrests resulted in conviction then yes, it would be a valid metric to make a decision against. But if the police were briefed by their commanding officers to 'Nick anyone, the moment they step out of line' then the number of arrests made is hardly relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 This is a press release from two weeks ago and still it has not been corrected - the original author had accidentally written "the facts" where he or she obviously meant to put "my version of events". And as something purportedly released to clear this all up, it still completely fails to explain how a supposedly fine upstanding football club like Cardiff City, managed to wait until after they had helped themselves to 3000 tickets (including a second allocation) and zero restrictions at Ashton Gate, before having this supposed debate with the police about ticketing they could offer for the return fixture. It's a conveniently unfortunate mistake by Cardiff not to address these matters with sufficient notice such that reciprocal agreements could exist. In failing to do so, your club appears deceitful, dishonest, and disrespectful to clubs that hosted you. The fact that City's solicitor wrote to your football club last week about this suggests there has been some gamesmanship here, as well we might imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Smith Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 It does pay to read and digest what is put in front of you. Contrary to all the bullshit on this MB: 1. The Sunday kick off has been set at the request of BOTH managers. 2. You could have had more tickets if your club had agreed to a ticket collection by fans.Not sure why this would be a problem as there are to all intents and purposes no trains anyway. You club - through the weasel spokesman who posts on here - could have confirmed this. Your Police could confirm this - through the people who post here. Strange how this has not been done. Having said that I suppose if you are being revved up to feel hard done by, manipulated even,Johnson at it again again today I see - then no surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Fred Smith said: It does pay to read and digest what is put in front of you. Contrary to all the bullshit on this MB: 1. The Sunday kick off has been set at the request of BOTH managers. 2. You could have had more tickets if your club had agreed to a ticket collection by fans.Not sure why this would be a problem as there are to all intents and purposes no trains anyway. You club - through the weasel spokesman who posts on here - could have confirmed this. Your Police could confirm this - through the people who post here. Strange how this has not been done. Having said that I suppose if you are being revved up to feel hard done by, manipulated even,Johnson at it again again today I see - then no surprise. We don’t need to be revved up to feel hard done by when our club gets less than half the allocation you received in the reverse fixture. The facts speak for themselves. As alluded to above, the fact that this issue was not addressed until a few weeks before a fixture known about 9 months in advance suggests deceit. A reciprocal agreement should have been put in place well in advance to ensure fair and equal treatment of both sets of supporters. With that in mind, why should our supporters be inconvenienced by having to collect tickets when you did not have to do the same? As for “the facts” we have no idea who you are and I will accept this as fact when you explain who you are and detail the source of the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Fred Smith said: It does pay to read and digest what is put in front of you. Contrary to all the bullshit on this MB: 1. The Sunday kick off has been set at the request of BOTH managers. 2. You could have had more tickets if your club had agreed to a ticket collection by fans.Not sure why this would be a problem as there are to all intents and purposes no trains anyway. You club - through the weasel spokesman who posts on here - could have confirmed this. Your Police could confirm this - through the people who post here. Strange how this has not been done. Having said that I suppose if you are being revved up to feel hard done by, manipulated even,Johnson at it again again today I see - then no surprise. Who is this bellend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarman Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 If football supporters could behave .... then .... there wouldn't even have to be a copper in sight ... compare and contrast with the Cardiff v Brizz Rugby ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, Fred Smith said: It does pay to read and digest what is put in front of you. Contrary to all the bullshit on this MB: 1. The Sunday kick off has been set at the request of BOTH managers. 2. You could have had more tickets if your club had agreed to a ticket collection by fans.Not sure why this would be a problem as there are to all intents and purposes no trains anyway. You club - through the weasel spokesman who posts on here - could have confirmed this. Your Police could confirm this - through the people who post here. Strange how this has not been done. Having said that I suppose if you are being revved up to feel hard done by, manipulated even,Johnson at it again again today I see - then no surprise. Bit of a whopper aren't you son? Why don't you just admit that it was a pathetic allocation and wrong of Cardiff to offer us that after we gave them as many as they liked to come to AG with? Don't normally bite on posts like this but ******* hell what a weird bloke you must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citysimmo Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 So there's never trouble at the Gate when there is rugby then...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Smith Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: We don’t need to be revved up to feel hard done by when our club gets less than half the allocation you received in the reverse fixture. The facts speak for themselves. As alluded to above, the fact that this issue was not addressed until a few weeks before a fixture known about 9 months in advance suggests deceit. A reciprocal agreement should have been put in place well in advance to ensure fair and equal treatment of both sets of supporters. With that in mind, why should our supporters be inconvenienced by having to collect tickets when you did not have to do the same? As for “the facts” we have no idea who you are and I will accept this as fact when you explain who you are and detail the source of the information. Chippenham, old Chap, when over the last few seasons have Cardiff fans at AG even come close to matching your well reported antics? Suggest this may have had an influence in proceedings. You really should come to terms with how these things are dealt with these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jarman said: If football supporters could behave .... then .... there wouldn't even have to be a copper in sight ... compare and contrast with the Cardiff v Brizz Rugby ... Been done to death that this is total bollocks. University games at AG have been rife with trouble. Do you think it's right that all fans get treated a certain way because a few want to act up? If so, would you still hold that opinion if it was cricket supporters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Smith Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, Super said: Who is this bellend? If you are referring to me. My name is Fred Smith. I am vainly attempting to educate you. There are none so blind that will not see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jarman said: If football supporters could behave .... then .... there wouldn't even have to be a copper in sight ... compare and contrast with the Cardiff v Brizz Rugby ... God that was a boring atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fred Smith said: If you are referring to me. My name is Fred Smith. I am vainly attempting to educate you. There are none so blind that will not see. I notice you chose to reply to this and ignored my more challenging response for more detailed information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fred Smith said: If you are referring to me. My name is Fred Smith. I am vainly attempting to educate you. There are none so blind that will not see. Ha, your name isn't Fred Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 22, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 hours ago, BobbyC said: He's Fred Smith and the story was in the EP a week ago so must be true ? Was working in Cardiff last week and heard the same story from a number of their supporters last week Why doesn't someone request their SAG minutes that will have the FACTS in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 22, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: I notice you chose to reply to this and ignored my more challenging response for more detailed information. Apologies @ChippenhamRed that was my fault, I only just approved his posts so even though there were replies they weren't showing as visible in time sequence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Smith Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Bit of a whopper aren't you son? Why don't you just admit that it was a pathetic allocation and wrong of Cardiff to offer us that after we gave them as many as they liked to come to AG with? Don't normally bite on posts like this but ******* hell what a weird bloke you must be. Not weird old chap, although I have to say attempting to reason with unreasonable and unknowlegeable people is somewhat challenging. What is weird is that none of you seem to want to acknowledge the basic facts: 1. Sunday k.o. is at the request of both managers and, 2. You could have had more tickets with an exchange I also refer you to the behaviour of your lot on their last two 'big days out' to CCS . This does have an impact you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Smith Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: I notice you chose to reply to this and ignored my more challenging response for more detailed information. Perhaps your club weasel liaison bloke will come along and put matters straight. I think he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 22, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, Fred Smith said: Perhaps your club weasel liaison bloke will come along and put matters straight. I think he should. Have to ask, why are you referring to our SLO like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Smith Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, 054123 said: Ha, your name isn't Fred Smith. On here it is. And by the way, unless you are in prison -possible-you are not 054123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fred Smith said: Perhaps your club weasel liaison bloke will come along and put matters straight. I think he should. Yeah that’s still not an answer to my questions. Clearly you aren’t able to construct a cohesive argument in response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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