Flea Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 I'm in the Millwall end for this one, up the Dockers, close to their award winning family section where all adults have to be chaperoned by at least one under-16. I live close to the Den and I've been a couple of times this season, for the love of the game, nothing more, and it is ridiculous. I made the mistake of sitting too close to the away fans for their game against Brentford, where 'tha lads' concentrated more on their fans than the game. I've been to festivals where I've seen less gurning. To borrow from their lexical field, ''muggy little ******* c***s'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 14:02, tinman85 said: Got to sell out this one. I don't think they ever open the bottom tier. Shame as could take 4K. What a day that would be. We do open the bottom tier - it was open just last season for Leicester City in the 5th round of the FA Cup. Millwall FC ask the away club to stump up the extra money for policing though - as opening the bottom tier adds a lot more expense to the match day operation. A few years back Watford had both tiers, but only about 200 of their fans bought tickets for the bottom tier. This meant Millwall had to pay a lot more money for policing, without really getting it back in ticket sales. Hence, why we now ask the away club to show that they are serious about having the bottom tier by stumping up the cash in the theory it will be full of away fans - so for Bristol City that would be Category C+ policing. As you can imagine, not many clubs are that keen to stump up this money. And for Bristol City the Met, would probably raise some objections; although West Ham, Chelsea, Liverpool, Wolves, Everton and Palace have all been on the bottom tier before - although the first three did see significant trouble & so probably never again! As an aside, with just the top tier you can have an allocation of 2,900. It could be more, but the club keep back a number of seats to allow us to continue our 'block only' seating policy - whereby you buy a ticket for a block, not a specific seat. This means friends and family can sit together, without having to try and buy tickets at the exact same time. This has reduced the 'real' capacity of the ground from 20,146 to 18,500 - but I think it is worth it, as it is like it was at the Old Den, when you just turned up and stood with your mates; none of this 'that's my seat'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 On 3/22/2018 at 10:20, Northern Red said: But they don't care. As they're at constant pains to tell us. 'No-one likes us, we don't care' began life as a Millwall chant way back in the late 70s. It was prompted by the BBC Panorama documentary that portrayed Millwall fans as the worst hooligans in English football & tried linking us to the NF. When, in fact, the BBC had approached the club to make a social history documentary about a club in inner-city London, whose fans were dealing with the closure of the docks etc. The BBC had also discussed how Millwall had a significant number of hooligans and fans from Black and Turkish backgrounds (still do); and how that was an interesting angle, given what was going on at Chelsea & West Ham, where there really was a link to far right groups. The way the BBC painted it to the club, was that this was going to be a serious look at inner city plight and the social causes of hooliganism. However, what it turned out to be was a total stitch up job on the club & painted a target on the fans' backs for every nutter in the land and also made Millwall a convenient coat peg for English football to hang all its ills on. As a result, the club has suffered ever since; from stiffer sanctions than other clubs with hooligan problems (sometimes worse problems) like Man United, Chelsea, West Ham etc. have ever received from the FA (the FA tried to fine Millwall for the behaviour of West Ham fans at the 2009 League Cup game); from aggressive policing and restrictions (all Millwall away games have to be members only & all-ticket); sensationalist headlines in the media (Talksport went to town on the club when about 200 Millwall fans run onto to celebrate us getting a last minute winner v champions of England Leicester City in the FA Cup 5th Round, having played nearly whole of second half with 10 men last season; asking for the club to be kicked out of cup etc. / yet, when discussing West Ham fans the other week, it was described as frustrating and disappointing); and lastly from extremely harsh refs - I am not saying they are out to get us, but we do get quite a few that clearly give off the impressions that they won't be intimidated by us and so make sure we know it. Also, we have two former employees at the FA these days (Heather Rabbitts & Andy Ambler) and both said that the FA have people who appreciated how much Millwall do to tackle their problems and admire that work (hence our Family Club of the Year award); but also, it has a fair few that would be happy to see us closed down for good. So, in conclusion, NOLU has never been aimed at you, or other opposition fans; nor is it a hooligan rallying call. It is, in fact, a defiant chant by ordinary Millwall fans at the likes of the FA, police and media. And given that our own council are actively trying to run us out of town (with 2 openly anti-Millwall council members on social media), the chant has some mileage left in it still! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 On 3/22/2018 at 09:40, phantom said: Nothing in the ground, they are all huff and puff now - living on long ago reputations still I wouldn't try to test that out for your visit. It's true, that it's no longer like the Old Den - which was populated by dockers, who were just tough. However, when someone like Bristol City visit and you are bringing a big following, it will bring out all the old hooligans and worse than them all the scumbags from Elephant & Castle down to Eltham. And as your fellow fan has pointed out, they will be coked up and happy to attack anyone who gives them an excuse. Back in the old days you may have got a quick backhander from a burly docker and then slung out. These days you are more likely to be set upon by a group of 20 something year olds, high on coke and happy to all stamp on your head until the police finally step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 27, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, Piccolo said: We do open the bottom tier - it was open just last season for Leicester City in the 5th round of the FA Cup. I am told that there have been discussions held for Villa to have both tiers at the last game of the season - now that could be an interesting afternoon with potentially both teams vying for a play off spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lager loud Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, Piccolo said: the club keep back a number of seats to allow us to continue our 'block only' seating policy - whereby you buy a ticket for a block, not a specific seat. This means friends and family can sit together, without having to try and buy tickets at the exact same time. This has reduced the 'real' capacity of the ground from 20,146 to 18,500 - but I think it is worth it, as it is like it was at the Old Den, when you just turned up and stood with your mates; none of this 'that's my seat'. I like that idea. As a season ticket holder it's great to be able to stroll up to my seat two minutes before kick off; and, in case they're reading I thoroughly enjoy the company of the three guys I sit with. But I preferred it in my old days on the terraces when there was an extended group of 20 or 30 of us who pretty much only knew each other at the football but who managed to stand together watching the game and/or chatting nonsense about football and other stuff. And it's often impossible to get tickets nearby when the occasional friend or family member wants to come to a game. We have got a small "unreserved" section at Ashton Gate but it's in a part of the ground from which I wouldn't choose to watch. Looking forward to my first trip to Millwall in a couple of weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 43 minutes ago, phantom said: I am told that there have been discussions held for Villa to have both tiers at the last game of the season - now that could be an interesting afternoon with potentially both teams vying for a play off spot If both or either teams have something to play for it won't happen. I almost feel sorry for Villa fans. Whatever happens they are in for a horrible time. We could beat them and keep them down. Or, even if they win and it means promotion they won't be able to celebrate it properly; their players will be told to leave the pitch straight away (it is tradition for Millwall fans to invade the pitch on last home game - sorry Talksport & 5Live) and they will be held in for about 45 minutes and then rushed out of London by the BTP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 men had a dream Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 42 minutes ago, Piccolo said: If both or either teams have something to play for it won't happen. I almost feel sorry for Villa fans. Whatever happens they are in for a horrible time. We could beat them and keep them down. Or, even if they win and it means promotion they won't be able to celebrate it properly; their players will be told to leave the pitch straight away (it is tradition for Millwall fans to invade the pitch on last home game - sorry Talksport & 5Live) and they will be held in for about 45 minutes and then rushed out of London by the BTP. We're hoping to stay in London for the evening. Do you think BTP will escort us to Paddington or will we just be allowed to leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, 8 men had a dream said: We're hoping to stay in London for the evening. Do you think BTP will escort us to Paddington or will we just be allowed to leave? My best mate is a Forest fan living in Clapham. He always simply asks to be let out politely and they always do. As long as you are not in a big group etc. they will. Which is why I have no idea why some of the posters above want to sit in the home end - as you'll be able to get a ticket in the away end & if you live local and simply ask to be let out, you will be let out of the train escort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Cigar Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, Piccolo said: My best mate is a Forest fan living in Clapham. He always simply asks to be let out politely and they always do. As long as you are not in a big group etc. they will. Which is why I have no idea why some of the posters above want to sit in the home end - as you'll be able to get a ticket in the away end & if you live local and simply ask to be let out, you will be let out of the train escort. You've sort of answered this but just to be clear: to your knowledge, do away fans always get an escort out of the ground and to a train station? Or, does it depend on the club? Or, can away fans simply leave at full-time? I'll be heading back to Bristol. In a group of two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, Piccolo said: My best mate is a Forest fan living in Clapham. He always simply asks to be let out politely and they always do. As long as you are not in a big group etc. they will. Which is why I have no idea why some of the posters above want to sit in the home end - as you'll be able to get a ticket in the away end & if you live local and simply ask to be let out, you will be let out of the train escort. Cheers for clarifying. Me and a few mates who all live in London will be going, but to get dragged back to Pads would be mad. We shall be the epitome of civility and on our very best behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said: You've sort of answered this but just to be clear: to your knowledge, do away fans always get an escort out of the ground and to a train station? Or, does it depend on the club? Or, can away fans simply leave at full-time? I'll be heading back to Bristol. In a group of two! The overground station that Bristol City fans use is South Bermondsey - the platform overlooks the stadium and there is a special walkway just for away fans from the station to the away end (nicknamed 'Coward's Way' by Millwall fans). After the game Bristol City fans not on coaches will either be: Held in the paddock outside the away end until South Bermondsey & the stadium is clear of home fans and then taken up to the station via the walkway, where a Football Special will speed you to London Bridge. Directed to the walkway, where they will queue to get onto the platform at South Bermondsey. As the platform is very narrow, you may go up in staggered groups. Option one only happens if the police feel that there is potential for disorder. However, no serious Millwall hooligans use South Bermondsey or London Bridge, as there is such a high police presence and lots of CCTV (top of line stuff, used for counter-terrorism) - by that, I mean certainly not to attack away fans anyhow. That's the big difference between the old Den and the Den these days, well, since they built the walkway - at the Old Den trouble found you; at the new ground & with the walkway you have to go looking for trouble, i.e. your hooligans have to actually arrange a meeting with ours & away from stadium or London Bridge. Your question was about the escort. Well, in option one you will simply be held back until area is clear and let free. In option two you will be able to leave at the final whistle and walk off into the Bermondsey evening - with the only exception is if it looks like you are hooligans trying to get out. However, if it is just two of you & you look 'normal', there should be no problem. I have taken Forest, Wolves, Brighton and Liverpool supporting friends & they have all been allowed to simply walk out and meet me at the club shop (next to away stand). We played Wolves at 1pm on Boxing Day & because of that, a lot of their following were London & Southeast based fans and they were let out at final whistle and quite a few were mingling in with the Millwall fans on Ilderton Road in Wolves tops / scarves etc. with no bother. I guess it's true of most things - ask the police politely and don't make a big scene and you'll be let out & be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 I’ve got the train to Millwall before. After the game the police do try to get everyone on a train out of the area. I’ve simply stood at the platform looking at the map, not looking like I’m with the football crowds, and been ignored and left to head out for a few pints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Cigar Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 36 minutes ago, Piccolo said: The overground station that Bristol City fans use is South Bermondsey - the platform overlooks the stadium and there is a special walkway just for away fans from the station to the away end (nicknamed 'Coward's Way' by Millwall fans). After the game Bristol City fans not on coaches will either be: Held in the paddock outside the away end until South Bermondsey & the stadium is clear of home fans and then taken up to the station via the walkway, where a Football Special will speed you to London Bridge. Directed to the walkway, where they will queue to get onto the platform at South Bermondsey. As the platform is very narrow, you may go up in staggered groups. Option one only happens if the police feel that there is potential for disorder. However, no serious Millwall hooligans use South Bermondsey or London Bridge, as there is such a high police presence and lots of CCTV (top of line stuff, used for counter-terrorism) - by that, I mean certainly not to attack away fans anyhow. That's the big difference between the old Den and the Den these days, well, since they built the walkway - at the Old Den trouble found you; at the new ground & with the walkway you have to go looking for trouble, i.e. your hooligans have to actually arrange a meeting with ours & away from stadium or London Bridge. Your question was about the escort. Well, in option one you will simply be held back until area is clear and let free. In option two you will be able to leave at the final whistle and walk off into the Bermondsey evening - with the only exception is if it looks like you are hooligans trying to get out. However, if it is just two of you & you look 'normal', there should be no problem. I have taken Forest, Wolves, Brighton and Liverpool supporting friends & they have all been allowed to simply walk out and meet me at the club shop (next to away stand). We played Wolves at 1pm on Boxing Day & because of that, a lot of their following were London & Southeast based fans and they were let out at final whistle and quite a few were mingling in with the Millwall fans on Ilderton Road in Wolves tops / scarves etc. with no bother. I guess it's true of most things - ask the police politely and don't make a big scene and you'll be let out & be fine. Thanks a lot. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I hear you've sold the 2,000 allocation now. Another 900 can be made available in upper tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigate Red Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I have been corralled by the police with the main City contingent at London Bridge station before but a polite word and showing them my train ticket has been sufficient to prevent an unwanted trip to Paddington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 55 minutes ago, Piccolo said: I hear you've sold the 2,000 allocation now. Another 900 can be made available in upper tier. I bought mine at lunchtime and there were still 360 left of the 2,000, so I doubt they’ve sold. I can’t see many more adding on now, after Monday, so I doubt we’ll be needing any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 12 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: I bought mine at lunchtime and there were still 360 left of the 2,000, so I doubt they’ve sold. I can’t see many more adding on now, after Monday, so I doubt we’ll be needing any more. I thought you would have; as always associated Bristol City (and Rovers) with good away support. Although, I guess it's not one for the casual fans or to take families to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Where is a good pub for drinking for away fans Saturday? (My guess is nowhere that's near the ground- London Bridge comes up a few times). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Piccolo said: I thought you would have; as always associated Bristol City (and Rovers) with good away support. Although, I guess it's not one for the casual fans or to take families to. We would have done if it hadn't been for Monday I reckon, we've only sold 100 in the last week as people don't want to watch that rubbish again. Saying that I hope we can scrape 2k together and get a good atmosphere going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Where is a good pub for drinking for away fans Saturday? (My guess is nowhere that's near the ground- London Bridge comes up a few times). Lots of decent pubs around London Bridge - although can be a bit pricey compared to downtown Bermondsey. Then you just jump on train and in 4 minutes you are at the ground. Given the fact that Bristol City are a club with a hooligan reputation and history with Millwall, I really wouldn't recommended drinking in Bermondsey, unless you are a hooligan looking for trouble. If you on your own or in a small group and love your beer, the Bermondsey Beer Mile is good (Google it). But, I would do it as beer lovers, not football fans on the piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, Piccolo said: Lots of decent pubs around London Bridge - although can be a bit pricey compared to downtown Bermondsey. Then you just jump on train and in 4 minutes you are at the ground. Given the fact that Bristol City are a club with a hooligan reputation and history with Millwall, I really wouldn't recommended drinking in Bermondsey, unless you are a hooligan looking for trouble. If you on your own or in a small group and love your beer, the Bermondsey Beer Mile is good (Google it). But, I would do it as beer lovers, not football fans on the piss. Thanks- London Bridge it is then! Maybe will check out the Bermondsey Beer Mile- maybe, small group and well behaved, but I'm reasonably familiar with London Bridge from a non football POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Thanks- London Bridge it is then! Maybe will check out the Bermondsey Beer Mile- maybe, small group and well behaved, but I'm reasonably familiar with London Bridge from a non football POV. There are also some decent pubs around Surrey Docks (Quays for the yuppies); if you are low key. I also like the Angel opposite Southwark Park & with excellent river views - very quiet, non football pub off the radar a bit. And only 15/20 minute walk from ground. It's about 5 minutes from Bermondsey tube station. https://londonist.com/pubs/pubs/the-angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Thanks- London Bridge it is then! Maybe will check out the Bermondsey Beer Mile- maybe, small group and well behaved, but I'm reasonably familiar with London Bridge from a non football POV. If I were you I'd just set myself up in a pub in Borough Market or in the George just over the road, get the beers in and then jump on the train down to the Den. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesco Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 On 13/03/2018 at 18:23, BigTone said: I'm going corporate. Give me a wave I went corporate once there, be careful as it isn't much different from going in the home end if celebrating a goal. The corporate home fans will make it just as unwelcoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 51 minutes ago, wesco said: I went corporate once there, be careful as it isn't much different from going in the home end if celebrating a goal. The corporate home fans will make it just as unwelcoming Sometimes worse - a lot of the old Bushwackers have boxes and executive seats! I said Chelsea was the only time I saw rival fans actually fist to fist fighting inside the new ground; well this actually reminds there was one other occasion - when Stoke City fans got a box and celebrated their win and the boxes to the side of them piled in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppello Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 I was planning on heading to the Globe in Borough Market. I work in the area but not sure how busy it will be on a Saturday? The George might not be a bad shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 hours ago, wesco said: I went corporate once there, be careful as it isn't much different from going in the home end if celebrating a goal. The corporate home fans will make it just as unwelcoming I half expected that would be the case but I will have the "Firm" with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 On 23/03/2018 at 08:29, Flea said: I'm in the Millwall end for this one, up the Dockers, close to their award winning family section where all adults have to be chaperoned by at least one under-16. I live close to the Den and I've been a couple of times this season, for the love of the game, nothing more, and it is ridiculous. This is why I dont understand why you didn't buy a ticket in the away end. I watched Millwall at Villa this season in the home end - as have a Villa supporting mate and the away tickets sold out straight away. It was okay - but I would have preferred to be in the away end. Luckily it ended 0-0 but we very nearly won it with a great second half display. Would have been gutted to not be able to celebrate a late winner. Also, it wasn't fun listening to them slag us off constantly; and crikey, they nearly got a jammy late winner - not sure I would have enjoyed that. This is a huge match for you lot too - makes no sense to me that you want to sit on your hands in the home end, when tickets are still available in the away end. Why not get an away ticket now? You could easily sell your spare home ticket to a Millwall fan on the day - as it's about to sell out. Especially if you live near the ground. As you've said, you've seen what we can be like and that was for harmless old Rochdale and Brentford - any hint you're a Bristol City fan and that will be like you're deliberatey taking the piss; as they are a hated hooligan rival! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devoncider Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Thanks- London Bridge it is then! Maybe will check out the Bermondsey Beer Mile- maybe, small group and well behaved, but I'm reasonably familiar with London Bridge from a non football POV. I'm staying in the capital with a mate there, both off to the game. Have read that it's all London Bridge based - was thinking Barrow Boy and Banker or Shipwrights on Tooley st. I imagine will just follow the red coming out of the station (or failing that the accents!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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