Jerseybean Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 In today’s Times there is a snippet (page 15 The Game) about not using substitutes. I had not realised that City hold the record for the most league games in a row without fielding a substitute. A remarkable 53 games from February 1966! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 This was the first season substitutes were used and, initially, I believe they could only be used when a player was injured, not tactically, which came in later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Cat Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 That's right, well before Warnock's time wasting tactics. Always a dilemma for managers in those days when reserve team football was quite competitive. Whether to have a player on the bench or give him decent match practice. The Football Combination (reserves league) as I think it was called was quite well thought of and I used to go sometimes when City were away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Back then only one substitute on the bench so there would have to be a fair amount of shuffling if anyone had to go off. No specialist strikers or defenders on the bench then - utility players were at much more of a premium than they are now. One of the outfield players would even be nominated as reserve goalkeeper should the need arise. Before subs came in, have even seen an injured goalkeeper taken out of goal to limp up an down the wing while one of his outfield colleagues replaced him in goal. Might be my faulty memory but seemed to be far less injuries in those happy days before metatarsals were invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Didn't a doctor have to declare the injured player unfit to carry on before a substitute could come on, or was that just in rugby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, East End Old Boy said: This was the first season substitutes were used and, initially, I believe they could only be used when a player was injured, not tactically, which came in later. Correct. It became clear that it was impossible to "police" this so subs became tactical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 hours ago, East End Old Boy said: This was the first season substitutes were used and, initially, I believe they could only be used when a player was injured, not tactically, which came in later. The other thing to bear in mind is that Fred Ford, a former RSM I believe, was a ruthless disciplinarian and a fitness fanatic who drilled the players until they were as tough as teak. Plus of course we had Les Bardsley and his magic sponge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 This was pre-snowflake football culture. Only an undertaker could authorise a substitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Cat Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Mad Cyril said: This was pre-snowflake football culture. Only an undertaker could authorise a substitution. And about the time they relaxed the rule they built the crematorium up the road to assist the undertakers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 My memories of the first use of subsitutes was George Showell Came on for THIRTY SECONDS towards the end of the game and never touched the ball,possible against Wrexham As regards to changing from injured players to tacticall changes I think it might have been Tommy Docherty(although I could be wrong) Could have been QPR or chelsea who made a sunstitute for a tacticall reason. Then the football league found out about the substitution Refs said we ain't doctors So they made the decision subs could be for any reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Calculus said: Back then only one substitute on the bench so there would have to be a fair amount of shuffling if anyone had to go off. No specialist strikers or defenders on the bench then - utility players were at much more of a premium than they are now. One of the outfield players would even be nominated as reserve goalkeeper should the need arise. Before subs came in, have even seen an injured goalkeeper taken out of goal to limp up an down the wing while one of his outfield colleagues replaced him in goal. Might be my faulty memory but seemed to be far less injuries in those happy days before metatarsals were invented. I used to play for RMC Wick FC and we were playing St Phillips on a Saturday in the B&D league division 6 or something, I was in goal, we had no subs, I saved a shot and broke my finger when about 3-0 down, I went outfield and somebody else went in goal, we lost 10-0 which made me feel a bit better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Cat Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: I used to play for RMC Wick FC and we were playing St Phillips on a Saturday in the B&D league division 6 or something, I was in goal, we had no subs, I saved a shot and broke my finger when about 3-0 down, I went outfield and somebody else went in goal, we lost 10-0 which made me feel a bit better! What? I would have thought you would have scored a hat trick. No doubt you were dropped the following week....haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Tinmans Love Child said: I used to play for RMC Wick FC and we were playing St Phillips on a Saturday in the B&D league division 6 or something, I was in goal, we had no subs, I saved a shot and broke my finger when about 3-0 down, I went outfield and somebody else went in goal, we lost 10-0 which made me feel a bit better! Softie, I played in goal through a broken finger on a few occasions with my fingers taped together under my gloves. Was like a four fingered goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 First ever sub used was Charlton's Keith Peacock, after 5 mins of the first game of that season ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Softie, I played in goal through a broken finger on a few occasions with my fingers taped together under my gloves. Was like a four fingered goalie Softie, I’ve got asthma, going outfield was like a death sentence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: First ever sub used was Charlton's Keith Peacock, after 5 mins of the first game of that season ! Was a question on The Chase yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: I used to play for RMC Wick FC and we were playing St Phillips on a Saturday in the B&D league division 6 or something, I was in goal, we had no subs, I saved a shot and broke my finger when about 3-0 down, I went outfield and somebody else went in goal, we lost 10-0 which made me feel a bit better! Well Bert Trautmann played in goal with a broken neck. Broken finger? What a wuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, Calculus said: Well Bert Trautmann played in goal with a broken neck. Broken finger? What a wuss. Yeh but Bert Trautmann didn’t play in Bristol & District Division 6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, cheshire_red said: Was a question on The Chase yesterday really? I remember it from my Charles Buchan football annual ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 obliviously a record that we will hold forever as the game has changed so much since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, foghornred said: obliviously a record that we will hold forever as the game has changed so much since then Very nearly had another stab under Cotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicki's soulmate Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: really? I remember it from my Charles Buchan football annual ! Loved the CB football annual and football monthly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatalist Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Never to the dark side said: My memories of the first use of subsitutes was George Showell Came on for THIRTY SECONDS towards the end of the game and never touched the ball,possible against Wrexham As regards to changing from injured players to tacticall changes I think it might have been Tommy Docherty(although I could be wrong) Could have been QPR or chelsea who made a sunstitute for a tacticall reason. Then the football league found out about the substitution Refs said we ain't doctors So they made the decision subs could be for any reason I agree about it being George Showell. My memory is that he replaced John Atyeo at half time. Atyeo went to see the ref during the interval and said he couldn't continue (Big John, not the ref!). Showell emerged wearing number 12, to a chorus of boos. Not sure if the opposition fans thought we were cheating by replacing our greatest ever player with a reserve centre half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Nicki's soulmate said: Loved the CB football annual and football monthly! Yeah loved that one. Instead of Sky Football we had Goal or Shoot!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, slartibartfast said: First ever sub used was Charlton's Keith Peacock, after 5 mins of the first game of that season ! I bet he's proud about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 19 hours ago, East End Old Boy said: This was the first season substitutes were used and, initially, I believe they could only be used when a player was injured, not tactically, which came in later. Anyone fancy telling LJ subs can be used for tactical reasons nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: Yeh but Bert Trautmann didn’t play in Bristol & District Division 6! I played in the lower end of the B&D myself. When I first arrived in Bristol in the early 70s I fancied myself as the elegant midfield general type. Unfortunately when I took my silky skills into the first league match they kicked seven types of cr4p out of me. Welcome to Bristol! (Still here 45 years on so must like it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 10 hours ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Softie, I played in goal through a broken finger on a few occasions with my fingers taped together under my gloves. Was like a four fingered goalie So a bit like a gas head then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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