The Original OTIB Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 We are not good enough to go up. Faction 1 thinks this is because of poor recruitment / under investment, Faction 2 thinks that incremental steps are acceptable and "we are where we are". The problem with Faction 1 is that throwing money is clearly a gamble, the problem with Faction 2 is that the best players do not stick around for 10th place or thereabouts; in itself a gamble with the drop if you hope to develop players and it does not work out. Where is the middle ground in the two factions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Faction 3 is Bristol City FC season after season going around and around and around the hamster wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 We're good enough to go up if we go up. If we're not good enough to go up we don't go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Hopefully we dont have to wait another ten years for another chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 And the last time we went up was 42 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: We are not good enough to go up. Faction 1 thinks this is because of poor recruitment / under investment, Faction 2 thinks that incremental steps are acceptable and "we are where we are". The problem with Faction 1 is that throwing money is clearly a gamble, the problem with Faction 2 is that the best players do not stick around for 10th place or thereabouts; in itself a gamble with the drop if you hope to develop players and it does not work out. Where is the middle ground in the two factions? There is no middle ground. In life you either strive to succeed or don't bother your arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 December I was hoping a failing prem club would tempt LJ away now I’m looking forward to another lack lustre season and dashed hopes, looking at team choices and senseless substitutions, same mistakes repeated over and over, we all see the mistakes he makes so do the players! LJ needed to learn and gain experience when he came here but he has not learnt anything and for the second season following there seems to be huge gulf between him and the dressing room - most of the squad are experienced and know what they do best! its a huge detriment to the team that his tactics are wrong and his game plan is badly implemented, confidence has to suffer! What is it going to take for SL to change things? I fear next season will be the drop, SL has his premiership team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: We're good enough to go up if we go up. If we're not good enough to go up we don't go up. how profound ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: We're good enough to go up if we go up. If we're not good enough to go up we don't go up. That's too sensible for this forum, get outta here with your logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Lets face it we wouldn't stand a chance in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, dave36 said: December I was hoping a failing prem club would tempt LJ away now I’m looking forward to another lack lustre season and dashed hopes, looking at team choices and senseless substitutions, same mistakes repeated over and over, we all see the mistakes he makes so do the players! LJ needed to learn and gain experience when he came here but he has not learnt anything and for the second season following there seems to be huge gulf between him and the dressing room - most of the squad are experienced and know what they do best! its a huge detriment to the team that his tactics are wrong and his game plan is badly implemented, confidence has to suffer! What is it going to take for SL to change things? I fear next season will be the drop, SL has his premiership team. Presumably you did back in August too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packman Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Lets face it we wouldn't stand a chance in the playoffs We’ve smashed Fulham twice this season, on our day we would have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsy62 Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 55 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: We're good enough to go up if we go up. If we're not good enough to go up we don't go up. problem is next season we may be bad enough to go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 57 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: We're good enough to go up if we go up. If we're not good enough to go up we don't go up. In the words of Smashey and Nicey: 'wise words mate'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What the ???? Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 I think the first half of the season we were good enough to, capitulation in the second half is the worry, injuries aside what has happened again at Ashton gate. Do the layers want to play for the club/manager someone knows what's going on. A realistic opportunity and it has gone. Is this going o happen next season or is LJ a cotterill and his limit is league one first half results say no but? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Faction 4 thinks the manager isn't as good as he thinks he is. And certainly not as good as Pep politely suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, CotswoldRed said: Faction 4 thinks the manager isn't as good as he thinks he is. And certainly not as good as Pep politely suggested. To be fair, after 3 defeats in a week, including going out of the Champions League & losing at home in your local derby, perhaps Pep is not quite as good as some people made him out to be, let alone what he thought of LJ. On the other hand, we were pretty much the first team to show up the Man City defence, which Klopp obviously took note of with his successful "my attacking players are better than yours" tactics, even if the Liverpool defence is not the greatest either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 hours ago, The Original OTIB said: We are not good enough to go up. Faction 1 thinks this is because of poor recruitment / under investment, Faction 2 thinks that incremental steps are acceptable and "we are where we are". The problem with Faction 1 is that throwing money is clearly a gamble, the problem with Faction 2 is that the best players do not stick around for 10th place or thereabouts; in itself a gamble with the drop if you hope to develop players and it does not work out. Where is the middle ground in the two factions? middle of the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Crayola Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Alan Dicks said: Faction 3 is Bristol City FC season after season going around and around and around the hamster wheel. Imagine being an Ipswich fan then. Haven’t they had 17 seasons in this division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: To be fair, after 3 defeats in a week, including going out of the Champions League & losing at home in your local derby, perhaps Pep is not quite as good as some people made him out to be, let alone what he thought of LJ. On the other hand, we were pretty much the first team to show up the Man City defence, which Klopp obviously took note of with his successful "my attacking players are better than yours" tactics, even if the Liverpool defence is not the greatest either. So were judging pep on 3 games rather than his whole career? Seems fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy-d Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 4 hours ago, hodge said: That's too sensible for this forum, get outta here with your logic 4 hours ago, ZiderEyed said: We're good enough to go up if we go up. If we're not good enough to go up we don't go up. He missed out go down & play with the rovers. We are poor next season will tell if stay the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 best season in plenty. Still in with a chance and academy prospects now coming through. Disappointing to slip recently but have thoroughly enjoyed 2017/18 and look forward to next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, pillred said: middle of the road. Chirpy, chirpy chirp cheep cheep... Woke up this morning and the Play-Offs were gone..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red7 Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Packman said: We’ve smashed Fulham twice this season, on our day we would have a chance. Yes, we smashed them 1-1 in a game we just shaded at AG. In which they had far more possession than us. And four times as many shots on target as us. But, yes, we would have a chance against anyone on our day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey54 Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 Buy a couple of experienced players who have been there and done that when it comes to promotion from this league. Go to players who will help our youngsters. Get the experience on the pitch that we haven't got on the dug out. Johnson, Holden and McAllister have no idea how to win a promotion between them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 10 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Lets face it we wouldn't stand a chance in the playoffs Maybe, but i was hoping we would make it. It would have been a fantastic achievement and would have created such a buzz around the club. We’ve gone to pieces though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 My concern is that we will carry this form to next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Northski Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 Certainly City are a club that seem to build up a head of steam, be it upwards or downwards, and the form we’ve shown since Christmas is approaching relegation form. A mid table finish doesn’t really tell the story of what’s gone on. Clearly the levels of expectation were raised a level that even most City fans thought were artificial, but even the most pessimistic must be surprised how bad things can get when the wheels fall off. The January transfer window was a disaster. A flagging squad in much need of a pep me up were handed a curious assortment of players that did little to strengthen, and to most, actually appeared to do the complete opposite. But we have a policy and we’re sticking to it, (clearly there isn’t a clause that states “except when you find yourself in second place and let’s go for it) There are those who say that we are stronger now than a year ago. I would question that. We are mid table, but our form is not. Our squad will be weaker after our best players leave and we set about replacing them in transfer market. One positive I take away is that our academy does appear to be producing some pretty impressive players worthy of the Premiership. Plus, Johnson must be given credit for bringing in the stat people who suggested that Bobby should be tried up front. To sum up. 2017 Brilliant, 2018, not so much. Am I looking forward to next season? Answer: No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packman Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Red7 said: Yes, we smashed them 1-1 in a game we just shaded at AG. In which they had far more possession than us. And four times as many shots on target as us. But, yes, we would have a chance against anyone on our day. Man City had more possession than Liverpool!! What’s your point? We had much more possession than Millwall, remind me how that game went. We were far superior to Fulham in both games, they didn’t know what hit them at AG and we should have won convincingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 hours ago, harvey54 said: Buy a couple of experienced players who have been there and done that when it comes to promotion from this league. Go to players who will help our youngsters. Get the experience on the pitch that we haven't got on the dug out. Johnson, Holden and McAllister have no idea how to win a promotion between them wont happen though, at AG the young teachers don't like being taught by the scholars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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