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LJ has conned us all!

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Lee has conned Steve Lansdowne, Bristol City and us the fans by alleging to be a proficient manager with the requisite skills to move this club forward.

I presume his interview for the job would have covered his ability to purchase the right players, develop players, pick the best team and shape for the particular opposition, employ the right tactics, motivate the team and individuals and enforce the right mindset. 

Unfortunately, it is clear that up to this point he had failed in most of these areas and Steve must be starting to feel that he has been slightly deceived and wondering if he has got the right man at the helm.

As fans, his appointment was met with split opinions and I for one was up for giving him a chance and even more after his first couple of interviews where he came across really well and spoke of exciting times ahead. 

Ok, we started this season well and punctuated it with a decent cup run but the joy of all that has been completely erased by a horrendous 2018 where we have looked as bad as we did last season when we had that disastrous losing streak.  And this is the worry......Lee can't seem to bottle, replicate and sustain any success that we get. He then conspires to tinker and change the team each week where it quickly looks like he is running out of ideas and just trying something he hasn't done before. Some of his starting line ups have been bizarre as have his substitutions. This is just not good enough for a championship manager.

So I'm afraid that I can't see Lee taking us forward any further.

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No deceit. 

He's trying his best and it isn't good enough. 

That's all. 

Ball is in SLs court. 

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4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Great. Just what we were missing on here. Another LJ`s out of his depth thread.

Why not just add your posts to one of the other twenty?

And miss out on seeking attention?...

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1 minute ago, NorwichbasedWurzel said:

Blame lies with the players. They’ve had ample opportunity to make the playoffs but they kept blowing it 

Its an interesting one. Are you saying the hoofball yesterday was the player's choice of tactic? 

LJ has abandoned our strengths. Our players don't do hoofball well. 

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2 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

Its an interesting one. Are you saying the hoofball yesterday was the player's choice of tactic? 

LJ has abandoned our strengths. Our players don't do hoofball well. 

Yes you’re right there. But....is it possible that he did that to try and get us into the playoffs with 4 games to go?

if we had held leads against Sunderland and Leeds for example we’d be in the playoffs now.

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I think the hoofball approach is very clever forward planning for season 2019/20 in the third division.  Should set us up nicely for a promotion bid back to The Championship in 2020/21

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29 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

No deceit. 

He's trying his best and it isn't good enough. 

That's all. 

Ball is in SLs court. 

 

And there it'll stay.

 

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Another thought is that our players just aren’t good enough - especially a creative midfielder with the knack of scoring goals and a proven goal scorer - with pace and powerful finishing. 

Both of these things we have been crying out for over the past few Transfer windows and not succeeded in either attracting or securing deals. 

Not since a fit Baldock or Maynard have we really had a clinical striker who could create their own chances or out run a defender!

 

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9 minutes ago, NorwichbasedWurzel said:

Yes you’re right there. But....is it possible that he did that to try and get us into the playoffs with 4 games to go?

if we had held leads against Sunderland and Leeds for example we’d be in the playoffs now.

Beaten woeful teams like Burton (home and away) lesser teams Bolton, Norwich, Ipswich, Barnsley etc we would be auto promotion. 

Capitulation... Simples

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2 minutes ago, Denbury Red said:

Another thought is that our players just aren’t good enough - especially a creative midfielder with the knack of scoring goals and a proven goal scorer - with pace and powerful finishing. 

Both of these things we have been crying out for over the past few Transfer windows and not succeeded in either attracting or securing deals. 

Not since a fit Baldock or Maynard have we really had a clinical striker who could create their own chances or out run a defender!

 

JK .

 

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2 minutes ago, Denbury Red said:

Another thought is that our players just aren’t good enough - especially a creative midfielder with the knack of scoring goals and a proven goal scorer - with pace and powerful finishing. 

Both of these things we have been crying out for over the past few Transfer windows and not succeeded in either attracting or securing deals. 

Not since a fit Baldock or Maynard have we really had a clinical striker who could create their own chances or out run a defender!

 

Fielding is average

Overrated "experienced" defenders need replacing with players that give a shite. 

More physical players in midfield. 

Another proven striker alongside or to replace Bobby. 

There are a dozen "keepers" for me at best from what lve seen this season. 

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44 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

@Top Robin is actually a gas head by the way. 

OTIB poster doesn’t like or agree with another’s view so immediately responds and only responds in calling him a ‘Gas head ‘

The OP has Over 600 posts and 700 likes - A busy Gashead

Fed up with it and it’s use by some

A pathetic and immature response and insult

 

 

As for the original post @Top Robin

When I saw the title and read your post , I did think blimey, brave ...... harsh :whistle:..?.....brutal ....?....maybe

But I have to be honest , when I break down what you’re saying or certainly most of it I struggle to disagree with you (You don’t mention coaching ability but Tbf I dothink he and/or his assistants have demonstrated there clearly is some, ) and I’d suggest many on here on reflection will think on similar lines to varying degrees, whether they admit is is a different matter 

A maybe ruthless but brave post - whatever else and any eventual outcome - Tbf He hasn’t set out to con anyone and I am sure his intentions totally good and honourable

 

 

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1 hour ago, Top Robin said:

Lee has conned Steve Lansdowne, Bristol City and us the fans by alleging to be a proficient manager with the requisite skills to move this club forward.

I presume his interview for the job would have covered his ability to purchase the right players, develop players, pick the best team and shape for the particular opposition, employ the right tactics, motivate the team and individuals and enforce the right mindset. 

Unfortunately, it is clear that up to this point he had failed in most of these areas and Steve must be starting to feel that he has been slightly deceived and wondering if he has got the right man at the helm.

As fans, his appointment was met with split opinions and I for one was up for giving him a chance and even more after his first couple of interviews where he came across really well and spoke of exciting times ahead. 

Ok, we started this season well and punctuated it with a decent cup run but the joy of all that has been completely erased by a horrendous 2018 where we have looked as bad as we did last season when we had that disastrous losing streak.  And this is the worry......Lee can't seem to bottle, replicate and sustain any success that we get. He then conspires to tinker and change the team each week where it quickly looks like he is running out of ideas and just trying something he hasn't done before. Some of his starting line ups have been bizarre as have his substitutions. This is just not good enough for a championship manager.

So I'm afraid that I can't see Lee taking us forward any further.

Firstly...he hasnt conned anyone. LJ came here with what he believed was the skill set to take this club forward. I dont doubt for one second he believed he couldnt do it...as in that line of work, you have to believe in yourself and your methods otherwise you will go no where

Your right in respect that his appointment split the fan base. I said at the time...only Holloway would have split the fans more. It was a brave decision to appoint him as...like we are seeing right now...if he doesnt hit the ground running and keep running, the knives are out from the people who really didnt want him here in the first place.

Will he get the boot? No. But even the most pro-Johnson fan must admit....this summer and the start of next season is make or break for him here at City. 

My opinion...he is not good enough and I cant see how he can turn this slump around. We simply cant afford to take this into next season. If we start off the way we are finishing...we will be in a relegation scrap next year.

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26 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Firstly...he hasnt conned anyone. LJ came here with what he believed was the skill set to take this club forward. I dont doubt for one second he believed he couldnt do it...as in that line of work, you have to believe in yourself and your methods otherwise you will go no where

Your right in respect that his appointment split the fan base. I said at the time...only Holloway would have split the fans more. It was a brave decision to appoint him as...like we are seeing right now...if he doesnt hit the ground running and keep running, the knives are out from the people who really didnt want him here in the first place.

Will he get the boot? No. But even the most pro-Johnson fan must admit....this summer and the start of next season is make or break for him here at City. 

My opinion...he is not good enough and I cant see how he can turn this slump around. We simply cant afford to take this into next season. If we start off the way we are finishing...we will be in a relegation scrap next year.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. The total extremes are what makes me question LJ TBH. In the first half of the season, we were superb which makes me assume the playing staff ARE good enough while the second half of the season has been dire, let's be honest here. The fact that LJ has had these poor runs before, both with us and with his previous clubs are what bothers me. He doesn't seem to be able to arrest a poor run of form and that doesn't make him a good Manager although the form up until Xmas would suggest he is.

I don't pretend to know the answers but the alarming slump since the new year really has alarmed me and the fact LJ hasn't been able to do anything about it makes me hope that MA and SL put friendships aside at their review and ask some seriously awkward questions of our head coach. The problem is that we, the supporters, fans, customers, will never get to hear the content of that review.

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33 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

OTIB poster doesn’t like or agree with another’s view so immediately responds and only responds in calling him a ‘Gas head ‘

The OP has Over 600 posts and 700 likes - A busy Gashead

Fed up with it and it’s use by some

A pathetic and immature response and insult

 

 

As for the original post @Top Robin

When I saw the title and read your post , I did think blimey, brave ...... harsh :whistle:..?.....brutal ....?....maybe

But I have to be honest , when I break down what you’re saying or certainly most of it I struggle to disagree with you (You don’t mention coaching ability but Tbf I dothink he and/or his assistants have demonstrated there clearly is some, ) and I’d suggest many on here on reflection will think on similar lines to varying degrees, whether they admit is is a different matter 

A maybe ruthless but brave post - whatever else and any eventual outcome - Tbf He hasn’t set out to con anyone and I am sure his intentions totally good and honourable

 

 

A good coach? Probably

A Good manager? Less likely

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Team over-achieves first part of season, has a cup run, then fades away. Not an uncommon tale really. The club is definitely progressing, some promising younger players coming through, and we are competitive against clubs with a bigger budget in a tough league. Been a disappointing end to the season, but not worth endless threads of doom and gloom and sack the manager. Enjoy the positives 

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1 hour ago, Top Robin said:

Lee has conned Steve Lansdowne, Bristol City and us the fans by alleging to be a proficient manager with the requisite skills to move this club forward.

I presume his interview for the job would have covered his ability to purchase the right players, develop players, pick the best team and shape for the particular opposition, employ the right tactics, motivate the team and individuals and enforce the right mindset. 

Unfortunately, it is clear that up to this point he had failed in most of these areas and Steve must be starting to feel that he has been slightly deceived and wondering if he has got the right man at the helm.

As fans, his appointment was met with split opinions and I for one was up for giving him a chance and even more after his first couple of interviews where he came across really well and spoke of exciting times ahead. 

Ok, we started this season well and punctuated it with a decent cup run but the joy of all that has been completely erased by a horrendous 2018 where we have looked as bad as we did last season when we had that disastrous losing streak.  And this is the worry......Lee can't seem to bottle, replicate and sustain any success that we get. He then conspires to tinker and change the team each week where it quickly looks like he is running out of ideas and just trying something he hasn't done before. Some of his starting line ups have been bizarre as have his substitutions. This is just not good enough for a championship manager.

So I'm afraid that I can't see Lee taking us forward any further.

after making perfectly reasonable points a lot that I agree with am amazed at the number of snakes and rubbish icons you got, if they sum up the evidence like that I hope none of them ever do jury service.

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As well as his tactical limitations, I think that Lee's problem may also be motivating some of the players.  They don't seem to be coming out revved up and his half time talks dont seem to produce an extra effort in the second half.

I think players remuneration is also an issue due to the fact that they get paid so much even if they dont perform.  Would it not be possible to give them contracts with lowerbasics and more for wins and league position or would they not come to us or stay on this basis? It certainly annoys me to know how much they have been paid since Christmas for such ineptitude.

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1 hour ago, Top Robin said:

Lee has conned Steve Lansdowne, Bristol City and us the fans by alleging to be a proficient manager with the requisite skills to move this club forward.

I presume his interview for the job would have covered his ability to purchase the right players, develop players, pick the best team and shape for the particular opposition, employ the right tactics, motivate the team and individuals and enforce the right mindset. 

Unfortunately, it is clear that up to this point he had failed in most of these areas and Steve must be starting to feel that he has been slightly deceived and wondering if he has got the right man at the helm.

As fans, his appointment was met with split opinions and I for one was up for giving him a chance and even more after his first couple of interviews where he came across really well and spoke of exciting times ahead. 

Ok, we started this season well and punctuated it with a decent cup run but the joy of all that has been completely erased by a horrendous 2018 where we have looked as bad as we did last season when we had that disastrous losing streak.  And this is the worry......Lee can't seem to bottle, replicate and sustain any success that we get. He then conspires to tinker and change the team each week where it quickly looks like he is running out of ideas and just trying something he hasn't done before. Some of his starting line ups have been bizarre as have his substitutions. This is just not good enough for a championship manager.

So I'm afraid that I can't see Lee taking us forward any further.

Speak for yourself, but you don’t speak for “us all”.

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1 hour ago, NorwichbasedWurzel said:

Blame lies with the players. They’ve had ample opportunity to make the playoffs but they kept blowing it 

I have never understood the blaming players argument. The manager picks the players, buys the players, decides which players to keep who were already there.

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He's a salesman selling himself all the time. 

I work with people who I think how did they get that top job because they haven't really got the ability to do it and then I sit in meetings and they have the same ability as Lee Johnson in that they talk the talk all the time surround themselves with decent people who can actually do the job and delegate all the time hence why Holden's been doing much of the press. 

If you continually tell people you're the best man for the job with confidence a lot of people will buy into it.

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14 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

As well as his tactical limitations, I think that Lee's problem may also be motivating some of the players.  They don't seem to be coming out revved up and his half time talks dont seem to produce an extra effort in the second half.

I think players remuneration is also an issue due to the fact that they get paid so much even if they dont perform.  Would it not be possible to give them contracts with lowerbasics and more for wins and league position or would they not come to us or stay on this basis? It certainly annoys me to know how much they have been paid since Christmas for such ineptitude.

Yep performance related pay. Better return on investment too. 

Some of them should take a long hard look at themselves... 

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8 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Firstly...he hasnt conned anyone. LJ came here with what he believed was the skill set to take this club forward. I dont doubt for one second he believed he could do it...as in that line of work, you have to believe in yourself and your methods otherwise you will go no where

Your right in respect that his appointment split the fan base. I said at the time...only Holloway would have split the fans more. It was a brave decision to appoint him as...like we are seeing right now...if he doesnt hit the ground running and keep running, the knives are out from the people who really didnt want him here in the first place.

Will he get the boot? No. But even the most pro-Johnson fan must admit....this summer and the start of next season is make or break for him here at City. 

My opinion...he is not good enough and I cant see how he can turn this slump around. We simply cant afford to take this into next season. If we start off the way we are finishing...we will be in a relegation scrap next year.

In which case LJ over rated himself, as there was nothing he could point to on his CV to indicate he was anything but an average 3rd division manager, and a novice one at that.

That over confidence, ironically, was probably partly instilled by SL who it seems had not only indicated to LJ that he would be manager of BCFC one day, but had also apparently personally given him trial interviews before he applied for the Oldham job.

You can only imagine what advice he may have given. LJ was very young and had no managerial experience, so how could he possibly sell himself in a business when there are always experienced managers out of work? Well, he could stress his Dad was a well known and fairly successful manager, he'd spent most of his career playing under him so he'd seen at first hand exactly what worked in management, and what were the pitfalls, so although he had zero experience himself, football management was ingrained in him. Then it was all about confidence, speaking impressively, stressing how innovative you were, the new methods you'd introduce, courses you'd been on etc.

Basically talk yourself into the job and take it from there.

Once he'd cut his teeth in OK, but sporadic, fashion at Oldham and Barnsley and got favourable publicity in the media - funny how LJ gets praised to the skies nationally when doing well, but his inevitable downturns are largely ignored - the City job was always there for the taking.

At the end of the day what we fans think of LJ, how we rate his suitability for the job, and his progress, is irrelevant. LJ only has to impress SL, and it may be that the bar for doing so is not set particularly high.

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25 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

As well as his tactical limitations, I think that Lee's problem may also be motivating some of the players.  They don't seem to be coming out revved up and his half time talks dont seem to produce an extra effort in the second half.

I think players remuneration is also an issue due to the fact that they get paid so much even if they dont perform.  Would it not be possible to give them contracts with lowerbasics and more for wins and league position or would they not come to us or stay on this basis? It certainly annoys me to know how much they have been paid since Christmas for such ineptitude.

Would absolutely be a great idea WRR

if you can get a modern day player and his agent to sign it 

Good Luck !

Modern day player will want a big basic and big bonuses

;)

 

( The Swansea side of the 80s tha5 went from Div 4 to Div 1 had a double up win bonus

Whatever it started at then £10for a win or whatever , win again next week it’s £20, win a third game in a row £40 and so on

Remarkably they repeatedly had 4 /6 / 8 / 19 games winning runs :whistle:

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59 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

OTIB poster doesn’t like or agree with another’s view so immediately responds and only responds in calling him a ‘Gas head ‘

The OP has Over 600 posts and 700 likes - A busy Gashead

Fed up with it and it’s use by some

A pathetic and immature response and insult

 

 

As for the original post @Top Robin

When I saw the title and read your post , I did think blimey, brave ...... harsh :whistle:..?.....brutal ....?....maybe

But I have to be honest , when I break down what you’re saying or certainly most of it I struggle to disagree with you (You don’t mention coaching ability but Tbf I dothink he and/or his assistants have demonstrated there clearly is some, ) and I’d suggest many on here on reflection will think on similar lines to varying degrees, whether they admit is is a different matter 

A maybe ruthless but brave post - whatever else and any eventual outcome - Tbf He hasn’t set out to con anyone and I am sure his intentions totally good and honourable

 

 

You outed me as Swindon when EMB replied to a post I made, a pathetic and immature response you say, yep you actually said that!!! Sort it out, I understand you need to jump on the Lee out bandwagon at every opportunity,  fresh after a defeat normally, but it's making you very irrational. 

Indeed a very cowardly insult to someone who is and always has been BCFC.

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We’ve taken forward steps every season since our first season in league one please don’t tell me we’re going backwards from where we were last season. It looks like there are some players that don’t want to play for us. Paterson is one of them, Flint has not been great second half of the season. There are only a few that have been putting in effort and look like they want to be at the club.

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1 hour ago, Denbury Red said:

Another thought is that our players just aren’t good enough - especially a creative midfielder with the knack of scoring goals and a proven goal scorer - with pace and powerful finishing. 

Both of these things we have been crying out for over the past few Transfer windows and not succeeded in either attracting or securing deals. 

Not since a fit Baldock or Maynard have we really had a clinical striker who could create their own chances or out run a defender!

 

Tammy Abraham says hi

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34 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I have never understood the blaming players argument. The manager picks the players, buys the players, decides which players to keep who were already there.

... and creates a spirit within the squad (Cotts) and motivates the team.

I've no idea what LJ's man management is like but I will always wonder about the manager, and the dressing room spirit he has engendered, when the team has a number of inexplicable 'off' days which leave fans questioning their desire and commitment.

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2 hours ago, Top Robin said:

Lee has conned Steve Lansdowne, Bristol City and us the fans by alleging to be a proficient manager with the requisite skills to move this club forward.

I presume his interview for the job would have covered his ability to purchase the right players, develop players, pick the best team and shape for the particular opposition, employ the right tactics, motivate the team and individuals and enforce the right mindset. 

Unfortunately, it is clear that up to this point he had failed in most of these areas and Steve must be starting to feel that he has been slightly deceived and wondering if he has got the right man at the helm.

As fans, his appointment was met with split opinions and I for one was up for giving him a chance and even more after his first couple of interviews where he came across really well and spoke of exciting times ahead. 

Ok, we started this season well and punctuated it with a decent cup run but the joy of all that has been completely erased by a horrendous 2018 where we have looked as bad as we did last season when we had that disastrous losing streak.  And this is the worry......Lee can't seem to bottle, replicate and sustain any success that we get. He then conspires to tinker and change the team each week where it quickly looks like he is running out of ideas and just trying something he hasn't done before. Some of his starting line ups have been bizarre as have his substitutions. This is just not good enough for a championship manager.

So I'm afraid that I can't see Lee taking us forward any further.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

 

Just a shame yours is so blinkered.

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1 minute ago, CiderCraig said:

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

 

Just a shame yours is so blinkered.

You don't seem to have one apart criticising the OP.

Why not answer his points if you disagree?

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17 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

You outed me as Swindon when EMB replied to a post I made, a pathetic and immature response you say, yep you actually said that!!! Sort it out, I understand you need to jump on the Lee out bandwagon at every opportunity,  fresh after a defeat normally, but it's making you very irrational. 

Indeed a very cowardly insult to someone who is and always has been BCFC.

IIRC in response to your Gashead taunts to a few

 

One of the primary offenders of using the Gashead slur  (Thanks for reminding me of that)

As for your ‘Lee out’ claim - suggest you actually read posts instead of your trolling tantrums

Doesnt take you too long to pop out your box looking for someone to row with does it

 

Would be more credible if you ever went to a game too

:thumbsup:

 

 

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You were only conned if you expected (or were promised) promotion this season. I wasn’t so easily conned, especially as the manager has only been here for two years, this is only our third season back in the championship and we have only had two seasons of redeveloped ground increased revenue.

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1 hour ago, Denbury Red said:

Another thought is that our players just aren’t good enough - especially a creative midfielder with the knack of scoring goals and a proven goal scorer - with pace and powerful finishing. 

Both of these things we have been crying out for over the past few Transfer windows and not succeeded in either attracting or securing deals. 

Not since a fit Baldock or Maynard have we really had a clinical striker who could create their own chances or out run a defender!

 

Lee is ultimately responsible for recruiting the right players

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2 hours ago, Top Robin said:

Lee has conned Steve Lansdowne, Bristol City and us the fans by alleging to be a proficient manager with the requisite skills to move this club forward.

I presume his interview for the job would have covered his ability to purchase the right players, develop players, pick the best team and shape for the particular opposition, employ the right tactics, motivate the team and individuals and enforce the right mindset. 

Unfortunately, it is clear that up to this point he had failed in most of these areas and Steve must be starting to feel that he has been slightly deceived and wondering if he has got the right man at the helm.

As fans, his appointment was met with split opinions and I for one was up for giving him a chance and even more after his first couple of interviews where he came across really well and spoke of exciting times ahead. 

Ok, we started this season well and punctuated it with a decent cup run but the joy of all that has been completely erased by a horrendous 2018 where we have looked as bad as we did last season when we had that disastrous losing streak.  And this is the worry......Lee can't seem to bottle, replicate and sustain any success that we get. He then conspires to tinker and change the team each week where it quickly looks like he is running out of ideas and just trying something he hasn't done before. Some of his starting line ups have been bizarre as have his substitutions. This is just not good enough for a championship manager.

So I'm afraid that I can't see Lee taking us forward any further.

Joy of the cup run hasn’t been erased for me, mate.  It’s been a great season.  Disappointing since the Man City games, of course, but if a successful season is defined by a viable challenge in the league and a good cup run, then we can hardly complain.  If the only thing that would make you happy is to get promotion, then you’re going to spend an awful lot of your time as a football fan being bitter and twisted.  The important thing is to replicate the form of the first half of the season next year, and I’m looking forward to that, and the likes of Kelly and Vyner making the same sort of progress we’ve seen from Brownhill and Reid this season.

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1 hour ago, Chappers said:

Team over-achieves first part of season, has a cup run, then fades away. Not an uncommon tale really. The club is definitely progressing, some promising younger players coming through, and we are competitive against clubs with a bigger budget in a tough league. Been a disappointing end to  an appalling Second Half of the season, but not worth endless threads of doom and gloom and sack the manager. Enjoy the positives What are the positives? 

Corrected for you.

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

I have never understood the blaming players argument. The manager picks the players, buys the players, decides which players to keep who were already there.

As in the old saying a poor workman always blames his tools! 

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3 hours ago, Red_Wizard said:

Any manager who initially claims he will get us promoted with 3 transfer windows, and fails to do so should walk.

No doubt he'll tell us we misunderstood.

He'll claim he meant "free transfer windows"

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3 hours ago, Denbury Red said:

Another thought is that our players just aren’t good enough - especially a creative midfielder with the knack of scoring goals and a proven goal scorer - with pace and powerful finishing. 

Both of these things we have been crying out for over the past few Transfer windows and not succeeded in either attracting or securing deals. 

Not since a fit Baldock or Maynard have we really had a clinical striker who could create their own chances or out run a defender!

 

Sorry - I know this is all about opinions etc, but can't let that go unchallenged. Two years ago we had the 4th highest goalscorer in the Championship, last year we had the second highest, and this year it's quite possible that Bobby could finish the highest. We may have been crying out for lots of things, but a proven goalscorer has been the least I'd suggest!

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2 hours ago, Murraysrightplum said:

Not since a fit Baldock or Maynard have we really had a clinical striker who could create their own chances or out run a defender!

 

 

2 hours ago, Murraysrightplum said:

Tammy Abraham says hi

As does Bobby Reid, even Fam's goals per game probably make him currently as effective as Maynard / Baldock - it's not goal scoring that we can blame LJ or the team for.

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2 hours ago, JonDolman said:

I have never understood the blaming players argument. The manager picks the players, buys the players, decides which players to keep who were already there.

I agree.

When thing go horribly wrong, as they gave done in our case, fans can blame individual players, but they will only be dropped or sold by the manager (who understandably uses any such means to absolve himself of blame).

So its more logical to focus attention on the manager, as he ultimately responsible and accountable for performances and results.

Its more constructive to address the cause rather than the effect.

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1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

IIRC in response to your Gashead taunts to a few

 

One of the primary offenders of using the Gashead slur  (Thanks for reminding me of that)

As for your ‘Lee out’ claim - suggest you actually read posts instead of your trolling tantrums

Doesnt take you too long to pop out your box looking for someone to row with does it

 

Would be more credible if you ever went to a game too

:thumbsup:

 

 

I can't get to many games that's true, but to highlight that is just another symptom of your vendetta . I perhaps was a bit too honest with my posts in the past, mentioning Swindon as I lived and worked there, only for you to sieze it as an opportunity to call into question my City colours. 'Tis true some on here, even in game time only too often call for the head of LJ, and tbh it is depressing to me and to I guess a lot more true City supporters,  at least wait until the final whistle, my feelings after a defeat is being down, I cannot at the first opportunity gloat over the demise of the team as you and a few others do, constantly. 

I know you and yours do not represent the majority of City support, it's just that on here you can bully and vent your spleen to the less vocal and more moderate  level headed support, the old saying the noisy few can outshout the many is a good maxim here.  

I really don't think there are many as passionate about City as me, I have seen many managers come and go, as way back to Fred Ford, I have been lucky enough to have met a few, and as far as I am concerned Lee is up there with the best, he is a very pleasant guy, there are no personality traits I am sure, that would indicate he is nothing other than a great attribute to the club, of course the owner thinks the same and has backed him when others wanted him gone. Which proved to be very astute, the early season form was the best we have witnessed for many a year, culminating in beating no less than Man U.

Yes the run in has been a huge let down, but we are in a far better place than this time last season, and we do need to recruit well this summer. So I believe calling for his head right now is ill conceived and foolish, of course we can all have a pop, that is our right, possibly more as a ST fan, and if you think you are not getting value for money you do have the ultimate sanction. 

Leave.

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2 hours ago, Murraysrightplum said:

Tammy Abraham says hi

My point exactly .... Tammy was great and it was a pleasure to watch him grow -but he’s not a finisher in the same standard or Maynard and Baldock - how often did we see him shoot a hard bullet shot into the corner of the net?  Also how many times could he outrun a defence. 

You only have to look at someone like Mitrovic to see the type of striker we need - not necessarily his character - but his power, speed and finishing. 

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