The LJ Poll

[old_eastender]

cast your vote...

[Davefevs]

I’m fickle, I want to select all 3

[Frenchay Red]

Difficult call, as I would never have appointed him.

[LondonBristolian]

Bottom 6 after 10 games and I reckon SL will keep faith. Bottom 6 after 15 and we will see a change.

[HoldenBall]

But what happens if, as we always do under LJ, start really well then go on another bad run? Do we get rid quick or do we stick with him?

[Ska Junkie]

IIRC, he totally dismissed the 'customers' last season when they asked for LJ's head on a plate so I don't think he would remove him, even if we were bottom. What was the phrase? 'It's my club' or something?

[Top Robin]

As Lee and his family are probably at Steves having Sunday lunch right now, he may as well sack him after pudding......wouldn't want to waste a nice Tescos finest apple crumble.

[Londoner]

Sack him

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

I'll not vote on that poll it's pathetic.

[h hills left shoe]

Sack him now! Shouldn't have been given the job in the first place. 

[TBW]

May as well see the season out.

Unless his connections with Man City/United are particularly outstanding and we can get some great options from them on loan in the summer... THEN, option two.

[ChippenhamRed]

13 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

IIRC, he totally dismissed the 'customers' last season when they asked for LJ's head on a plate so I don't think he would remove him, even if we were bottom. What was the phrase? 'It's my club' or something?

A brave decision that was vindicated with comfortable survival last season and a higher placing this year.

Those same customers also broadly supported the appointments of Sean O’Driscoll and Derek McInnes while not favouring the appointment of Steve Cotterill. Proof that in this case the customer is not always right.

We are not shareholders and it is not a democracy. It IS his club, he pours in the millions and that gives him the right to have the final say on difficult decisions.

Oh and he is on record as saying LJ’s position was considered last season. Contrary to the unfounded “he’s here whatever happens” myth that some continue to perpetuate, if we’re bottom next season is fully expect him to go - and rightly so.

[slartibartfast]

43 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Bottom 6 after 10 games and I reckon SL will keep faith. Bottom 6 after 15 and we will see a change.

He'll be given a job at Bristol Rugby !

[Ska Junkie]

1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said:

A brave decision that was vindicated with comfortable survival last season and a higher placing this year.

Those same customers also broadly supported the appointments of Sean O’Driscoll and Derek McInnes while not favouring the appointment of Steve Cotterill. Proof that in this case the customer is not always right.

We are not shareholders and it is not a democracy. It IS his club, he pours in the millions and that gives him the right to have the final say on difficult decisions.

Oh and he is on record as saying LJ’s position was considered last season. Contrary to the unfounded “he’s here whatever happens” myth that some continue to perpetuate, if we’re bottom next season is fully expect him to go - and rightly so.

FWIW CR, I'm not knocking his decision, although I wanted him removed at the time. It just make me think SL might accept relegation rather than remove LJ. 

I'm genuinely not sure whether I want him to stay or not TBH, I genuinely don't know so mine isn't an anti LJ stance.

[ChippenhamRed]

Just now, Ska Junkie said:

FWIW CR, I'm not knocking his decision, although I wanted him removed at the time. It just make me think SL might accept relegation rather than remove LJ. 

I'm genuinely not sure whether I want him to stay or not TBH, I genuinely don't know so mine isn't an anti LJ stance.

Fair enough. I don’t think SL would accept relegation though. Had LJ taken us down last year I’m almost certain he’d have gone.

I’m fairly ambivalent about LJ’s future myself. I actually quite like the idea of a Mick McCarthy type appointment. Genuine experience and a proven track record at this level. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if LJ went and McCarthy came in.

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

He’s taken us a step further then last season. I’m confident that keeping him in charge is the best result. Who’s to say change will guarantee success? Look at Brum, Derby, Norwich, Sunderland. Changed manager, either this season or last season and are still in the same position. 

 

It costs a hell of a lot of money to replace a manager. 

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said:

He’s taken us a step further then last season. I’m confident that keeping him in charge is the best result. Who’s to say change will guarantee success? Look at Brum, Derby, Norwich, Sunderland. Changed manager, either this season or last season and are still in the same position. 

 

It costs a hell of a lot of money to replace a manager. 

I do think this is a good point. I have been into football since the 1989 - 1990 season. I looked it up the other week and I think we have had 17 permanent managers in that time. For all his faults, I think LJ is definitely in the top five. Part of that is admittedly due to some awful appointments but even many of those looked like good appointments on paper and one could easily argue the three that worked out best were the three that made the least sense on paper. If we change managers, we could just as easily end up work someone who does worse as someone who does better. I have said elsewhere I want LJ to stay but he needs to prove he can improve us again next season. If we take a step backwards then I think his time is up. But Christ only knows whether the next manager will take us to the next level or undo the progress we have made.

[exAtyeoMax]

12 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Fair enough. I don’t think SL would accept relegation though. Had LJ taken us down last year I’m almost certain he’d have gone.

I’m fairly ambivalent about LJ’s future myself. I actually quite like the idea of a Mick McCarthy type appointment. Genuine experience and a proven track record at this level. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if LJ went and McCarthy came in.

SL did say that he probably wouldn't have sacked him even if we'd been relegated last season. Next season is another matter as he has had more time and resources 

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

I do think this is a good point. I have been into football since the 1989 - 1990 season. I looked it up the other week and I think we have had 17 permanent managers in that time. For all his faults, I think LJ is definitely in the top five. Part of that is admittedly due to some awful appointments but even many of those looked like good appointments on paper and one could easily argue the three that worked out best were the three that made the least sense on paper. If we change managers, we could just as easily end up work someone who does worse as someone who does better. I have said elsewhere I want LJ to stay but he needs to prove he can improve us again next season. If we take a step backwards then I think his time is up. But Christ only knows whether the next manager will take us to the next level or undo the progress we have made.

And that’s football for you! 

Burton wouldn’t be in the championship if it wasn’t for Hasselbaink, Rowett and Clough. One bad change and they could easily be back in League 2. 

 

Changing managers is dangerous as fans expect success (see Copouts appointment and SoD’s) given the position we are in compared to when LJ took charge it’s the right direction. 

[winterbournered]

1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

Bottom 6 after 10 games and I reckon SL will keep faith. Bottom 6 after 15 and we will see a change.

This is how I see it as well. Taking us to our highest league finish in 10 years means he deserves another window. 

[Dynamite Red]

Interesting currently around 2/3 who have voted believe he is in last chance saloon or worst.

[Gert Mare]

Give him to Mid-October and if he is in the bottom 3 then it’s time up. That will be 5 transfer windows and going backwards, so it should be time to go then.

[Natchfever]

Im sure SL is taking notes whilst reading otib ...LJ is fireproof whatever happens so we all need to get used to it.

Funnily enough I think LJ gets a lot of stick because he is unsackable. His overall record is a bit shite but he isnt the worst ever manager. I think the fact he isnt really accountable is what boils the piss of some.

[Sarumred]

3 hours ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

I'll not vote on that poll it's pathetic.

Couldn't agree more and won't give it the time of day.

[KeepUpLino]

3 hours ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

I'll not vote on that poll it's pathetic.

Grow up FFS!!

[joeyb]

13 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Im sure SL is taking notes whilst reading otib ...LJ is fireproof whatever happens so we all need to get used to it.

Funnily enough I think LJ gets a lot of stick because he is unsackable. His overall record is a bit shite but he isnt the worst ever manager. I think the fact he isnt really accountable is what boils the piss of some.

Someone posted his record for us compared to previous managers in what must have covered a 20 year period. At Championship level, LJ actually has one of it not the best win %.

[Natchfever]

3 minutes ago, Sarumred said:

Couldn't agree more and won't give it the time of day.

Yet you both post on the thread? Best ignore it fella its meaningless anyway now isnt it.

[Natchfever]

1 minute ago, joeyb said:

Someone posted his record for us compared to previous managers in what must have covered a 20 year period. At Championship level, LJ actually has one of it not the best win %.

Stats..dont you love em. People alarmed at the terrible slumps arent bothered by the fact we have by and large recruited bad managers over the period you refer to much of which was as a third division club. I bet Danny Wilsons win ratio smashes nearly everyone and he had a squad full of local kids and academy products. He let us down was shown the door. Thats how it works for anyone but LJ. By the way what was Pembos win ratio ?..

[Top Robin]

3 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

He'll be given a job at Bristol Rugby !

Mini-rugby coach? 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

15 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said:

Grow up FFS!!

Don't you think with all three options being some form of sacking him a little tilted and puerile?