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LJ :- It could be a difficult summer..

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4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

You can’t mate - I’m on ‘Tag’ :mafia:

No PMs 

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7 minutes ago, simon uk said:

We clearly have a lot of dead wood around that it would be good to get rid of, thats whst we will be left with once flint and reid are gone. If bryan goes for good money and kelly takes his place it wont be the end of the world for me, but filling the squad with average players from foreign leagues hasnt worked, but relying on the league 1 champions still seems to be the key to our first 11.

Agree 

Bryan - however potent at his best and a miss in that respect is probably the easiest to replace 

Flint would be IMHO a massive loss , and massively underrated as a package by many IMHO , for his icon like status and will to win , on top of his footballing abilities Along with Korey and BR the little bit of solid spine and backbone we have

 

Bobby would also be a really big loss IMO and near irreplaceable particularly if we intend to play any sort of high press (Possibly as good as anyone in any league at it) (Mind you Christ knows what LJs current tactical thinking is let alone his plans for next season !) as well as his goals 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

not really that bizarre

Its the classic 'throw someone under the bus'. Whether its someone leaving because they want to...or whether its someone leaving as they are not wanted...it doesnt matter. These type of comments  takes the spot light off of him and his shocking management...and gets the fans putting two and two together about certain players and reasons why we capitulated like we did

 

 

There are THREE games left with everything to play for. If I was a player, that’s not putting me at ease.

There is no need to come out with it now.

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Just now, Lew-T said:

There are THREE games left with everything to play for. If I was a player, that’s not putting me at ease.

There is no need to come out with it now.

In fairness regarding the timing - I’m sure all the players will be well aware of what’s brewing anyway and who’s likely to be off

Still not sure why it had to be said now but not sure it makes much difference tbh

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Just now, Lew-T said:

There are THREE games left with everything to play for. If I was a player, that’s not putting me at ease.

There is no need to come out with it now.

100% agree with you. He shouldnt 

So why is he? To save his own skin with the fans thats why

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1 minute ago, Lew-T said:

There are THREE games left with everything to play for. If I was a player, that’s not putting me at ease.

There is no need to come out with it now.

But what if it's the players who are the problem...??

(Just saying. I know nowt.)

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6 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Look at the thread title. That’s the start of the statement...

The next statement quoted “it will all come to negotiations from the agent”. That’s not really a sign of players proving their worth is it..

Ok, so focusing on that individual statement, if Bobby refuses to sign a new contract, would we be wrong to cash in on him this summer..? 

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1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said:

Ok, so focusing on that individual statement, if Bobby refuses to sign a new contract, would we be wrong to cash in on him this summer..? 

Depends how much we are offered I’d suggest 

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41 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Because the alternative is that he’ll be accused of lying or avoiding the question?

I guess he is alluding to moving players on that might be a surprise and possibly selling Reid if he won’t sign a new contract.

However let’s wait and see what the summer brings before slagging off something that hasn’t happened yet and may well not do so.

Wasn’t slagging the fact that players will be off Graham, that’s a given imho. Just wondering why these statements are being made now and not at the end of the season. 

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1 minute ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

But what if it's the players who are the problem...??

(Just saying. I know nowt.)

He’s a professional head coach. You’d think he can manage that, especially with all the support around him.

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1 minute ago, Lew-T said:

He’s a professional head coach. You’d think he can manage that, especially with all the support around him.

If the players haven't got their hearts in it there ain't much he can do.

(Mere speculation. As I say, I know nowt.)

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2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Ok, so focusing on that individual statement, if Bobby refuses to sign a new contract, would we be wrong to cash in on him this summer..? 

Aslong as we’ve done everything we can to make him stay and it’s his own wishes, then of course not.

It’s the timing of this I have a problem with.

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Maybe somebody’s offered a large sum for one of our starlets under development

:phone:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cant turn down £8 million for Engvall can we :dunno:

 

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By saying "it could be a difficult summer" I guess he's referring to the undoubted interest there'll be in our players after such a terrific EFL cup run.

The likes of Flint, Reid, Pack and Bryan will have attracted the attention of lots of clubs and some of them might well make some kind of offer.

Then it'll depend on whether the player wants to go and what best possible deal MA can negotiate with the interested party, Reid's agent will be well aware of that with Bobbys contract running down and I'd imagine some very tough negotiations taking place even before the summer window starts with more tough and difficult negotiations to take place.

Thats what LJ is on about i reckon.

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2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

By saying "it could be a difficult summer" I guess he's referring to the undoubted interest there'll be in our players after such a terrific EFL cup run.

The likes of Flint, Reid, Pack and Bryan will have attracted the attention of lots of clubs and some of them might well make some kind of offer.

Then it'll depend on whether the player wants to go and what best possible deal MA can negotiate with the interested party, Reid's agent will be well aware of that with Bobbys contract running down and I'd imagine some very tough negotiations taking place even before the summer window starts with more tough and difficult negotiations to take place.

Thats what LJ is on about i reckon.

Thanks for that insight RR

Very helpful :yawn:

Not sure if anyone else had realised it was about such things

 

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My first thought in reading that is that Baker will be off. Party boy lifestyle not in keeping with club mantra.

of course I could be reading too much into it. 

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1 hour ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

I'd have thought that would have been obvious seeing as we failed to challenge for promotion. Bryan, Reid, Flint will probably all go.

Pack is on that list. Particularly if Flint is gone.

I can not understand why Korey Smith never gets mentioned in these threads as well!

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I’d be offering Bobby a healthy seven figure signing on fee and match our highest wage earner

The outlay compared to the cost of trying to replace him would be minimal and something we would recoup if he move on in the future anyway

Chap I know did some decorating for BR who told him he wanted to go into Premier League with City ideally :clap:

 

But if he doesn’t see us getting there in the near future and has a chance to play there any financial offer from us is unlikely to keep him sadly (Bobby didn’t say that bit !   - my thoughts)

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Just now, REDOXO said:

Pack is on that list. Particularly if Flint is gone.

I can not understand why Korey Smith never gets mentioned in these threads as well!

Shhhhhhh ;)

After Flint and Reid , the player I’d be eyeing as another Club

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7 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Thanks for that insight RR

Not sure if anyone else had realised it was about such things

In view of so many negative comments about what LJ had to say I assumed those critics didn't quite grasp what he actually meant so I felt it only right and proper to explain it.

If those critics did understand his meaning then we wouldn't have so much negativity, would we?        :dunno:

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4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I’d be offering Bobby a healthy seven figure signing on fee and match our highest wage earner

The outlay compared to the cost of trying to replace him would be minimal and something we would recoup if he move on in the future anyway

Chap I know did some decorating for BR who told him he wanted to go into Premier League with City ideally :clap:

 

But if he doesn’t see us getting there in the near future and has a chance to play there any financial offer from us is unlikely to keep him sadly (Bobby didn’t say that bit !   - my thoughts)

I think he’d be mad to stay. If he were to, he should be demanding 20k/week on a 4 year contract. 

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1 hour ago, Cheesleysmate said:

In prep for the big summer sale of Flint, Bryan and Reid (possibly more) whilst trying to hoodwink the ‘customers’ into believing that the club is genuinely moving forward and that the sales are all part of the ‘big plan’....p.s. Make sure you’ve bought your season ticket!

Honestly, anyone who believes the propaganda must have been born yesterday...whilst the realists see some of the turd showing beneath the glitter as they predicted.

Why do the most negative posters always insist they are the “realists”, as if they operate on a higher plane of intelligence than anyone who dares to have a bit of optimism?

Rather than throwing your toys out of the pram at the first hint that certain players might move on, I would suggest the true “realists” are the ones who recognise that a mid-table second tier club is always going to lose players capable of playing at a higher level, and that is part and parcel of football for all but the truly biggest clubs.

From the doldrums of Championship relegation and even flirtation with relegation to League Two, this club has risen to establish itself as a Championship club with a first class stadium and crowds of 20k plus. And during that period we have lost supposedly irreplaceable players such as Baldock (top scorer) and Tammy (top scorer). Without doubt the club has moved forwards, despite your insistence to the contrary.

I certainly have my doubts about our ability to recruit well this summer. But ultimately we have moved forwards over the last five years and we have brought in a number of good players. Your overtly cynical and negative view is no more “realist” than someone who thinks we’ll win the Champions League in 3 years.

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Just now, Fordy62 said:

I think he’d be mad to stay. If he were to, he should be demanding 20k/week on a 4 year contract. 

Think he could demand more than that tbh Fordy

And I think  it will be more about players viewing the Clubs ambition and likelihood to get promoted against any current opportunity appearing , unfortunately

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7 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Pack is on that list. Particularly if Flint is gone.

I can not understand why Korey Smith never gets mentioned in these threads as well!

I just don't think he is rated as highly outside of BS3 than he is with us. I just don't think we'll get an outrageous offer for him that would be worth it commercially. 

Shame for him as he's a fantastic footballer

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36 minutes ago, simon uk said:

We clearly have a lot of dead wood around that it would be good to get rid of, thats whst we will be left with once flint and reid are gone. If bryan goes for good money and kelly takes his place it wont be the end of the world for me, but filling the squad with average players from foreign leagues hasnt worked, but relying on the league 1 champions still seems to be the key to our first 11.

Yesssssssssss LJ is going then :banana:

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Just now, BobBobSuperBob said:

Think he could demand more than that tbh Fordy

And I think  it will be more about players viewing the Clubs ambition and likelihood to get promoted against any current opportunity appearing , unfortunately

I wonder. 

I’m not saying that Bobby is a money grabber, I’m sure he’s far from it! But I wonder whether, having been paid a relative pittance for the past 5-6 years when compared to the big boys, if he’s more salivating at the prospect of a massively long lucrative contract rather than a shot at The Prem?

i doubt he’s done the big money footballer thing yet. 

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4 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

I just don't think he is rated as highly outside of BS3 than he is with us. I just don't think we'll get an outrageous offer for him that would be worth it commercially. 

Shame for him as he's a fantastic footballer

You may be right! But I am bracing for it now.

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2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I think he’d be mad to stay. If he were to, he should be demanding 20k/week on a 4 year contract. 

Then I’d offer him that. 

Got no problem with what was said but have a problem with the when. 

Also, not a great window to lose 3-4 key players with a world cup. Obviously we can do business while it is ongoing but often certain moves open up others. World Cup will slow that down. 

The club really need to trim the excess from the squad. GON, Hegeler, Engvall and the loans would be a great start. Not particularly worried about losing some players. Think the club do good business in the summer when they have a plan. Hopefully any selling of players will be followed closely by an incoming(or even incoming before outgoing). Of course no one wants Reid, Flint or Bryan(or many others to go) but it happens. 

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41 minutes ago, lenred said:

Why come out with this when we still have a (slim) possibilty of getting into the Play Offs? Presume they’ve given up. 

They gave up weeks ago the mentality of Bristol City remains don't rock the boat,see what happens?, things were going so well up to Christmas .

Had City to finish between 10th and 12th around 3 months ago as the rot set in and the usual January window produced nothing to enforce a change of direction,we aren't going to get promotion by design for all the corporate bullshit that gets trotted out if Bobby Reid is sold i will not be a happy bunny for most of the season he as opposed to a Joe Bryan type of player has been the driving force of the team will run with the ball and make things happen and actually score goals,i'm fed up with make do foreign imports and shite loan signings  who by enlarge add nothing . Lloyd Kelly has the buzz of a young player who wants to compete and has ability not like some who get brushed off the ball stroll around don't track back ect.

The whole tone of some decisions may or may not go down well will depend on the quality of what come's through the door signing more players for the future will be a kick in the nuts to fans who have forked out a lot of cash its the here and now that counts.  

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The thing with Bobby is his star is shining bright at the moment , he may get offers this year that may not come again. I personally don't think money is the be all and end all with BR, if one of the bigger clubs came in for him we would have very little chance of keeping him.

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Just now, Fordy62 said:

I wonder. 

I’m not saying that Bobby is a money grabber, I’m sure he’s far from it! But I wonder whether, having been paid a relative pittance for the past 5-6 years when compared to the big boys, if he’s more salivating at the prospect of a massively long lucrative contract rather than a shot at The Prem?

i doubt he’s done the big money footballer thing yet. 

Agree 

But His agent and BR will know of any Clubs interested and probably a wage offer too

 

Now as I said above I’d be prepared to give him £1m or more as a signing fee and match our Highest wage earner (Fo4 argument let’s say Flint at £20k a week) - A nice package

But

Any prem club or even a fair few  Championship Clubs would pay him that , and more witjout a seconds thought so I don’t believe we can keep him here by financial means , unless there is no real interest from other Clubs 

 

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I'm not one of LJ's biggest fans, but I can't help feeling a bit sorry for him - I think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place.

From the moment the owners failed to back him in the January transfer window (too early for the Prem), the ambitions of some of our best players were trashed, and our fabulously performing team were destined to another season in the Championship. Not great for your motivation!

LJ has had to manage this, albeit not very well, and today's statement is all about moving on players who, basically, stopped turning up - and the party line is that it's for the benefit of the long term "sustainable" club future.

So unfortunately it starts from the very top.

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Having heard a little whisper that a club in the south of England is considering LJ as it's next permanent manager/Head Coach, it is possible that he was not referring to any players that may also be on their way. 

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Our best players will be cashed in on......... how not surprising

LJ is still building for "the future" ..... how not surprising

Players that are going, don't care about our results and those staying don't care either as they can see how determined as a club we are to move forward....., results are not surprising.

Club/manager tell us this after many fans buy ST`s and believe in the promises/plan given, more yet to come I think.....badge/shirt/name even anything could happen, he can do what he likes :dunno:

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2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Any prem club or even a fair few  Championship Clubs would pay him that , and more witjout a seconds thought so I don’t believe we can keep him here by financial means , unless there is no real interest from other Clubs 

 

Exactly how I see it.  
LJ has a hard job to convince him we will be pushing again (?) next year. 
Massive shame, massive miss, and I wouldn't blame him in the slightest if he left.

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1 minute ago, cidered abroad said:

Having heard a little whisper that a club in the south of England is considering LJ as it's next permanent manager/Head Coach, it is possible that he was not referring to any players that may also be on their way. 

Weymouth ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I can cope will selling any player. Just don't give it to LJ and MA to spend on more expensive crap. Unfortunately my wish ain't going to happen.

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3 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Having heard a little whisper that a club in the south of England is considering LJ as it's next permanent manager/Head Coach, it is possible that he was not referring to any players that may also be on their way. 

oh please don't get my hopes up

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1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

Exactly how I see it.  
LJ has a hard job to convince him we will be pushing again (?) next year. 
Massive shame, massive miss, and I wouldn't blame him in the slightest if he left.

And I’d be shocked if Flint doesn’t have a clause in his new contract that he can talk to a Prem Club if they meet a certain valuation (Which won’t be high enough for me at a guess) 

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3 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Having heard a little whisper that a club in the south of England is considering LJ as it's next permanent manager/Head Coach, it is possible that he was not referring to any players that may also be on their way. 

Bristol Manor Farm? Nice and local. 

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5 minutes ago, Savino said:

I'm not one of LJ's biggest fans, but I can't help feeling a bit sorry for him - I think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place.

From the moment the owners failed to back him in the January transfer window (too early for the Prem), the ambitions of some of our best players were trashed, and our fabulously performing team were destined to another season in the Championship. Not great for your motivation!

LJ has had to manage this, albeit not very well, and today's statement is all about moving on players who, basically, stopped turning up - and the party line is that it's for the benefit of the long term "sustainable" club future.

So unfortunately it starts from the very top.

They may well have backed him. Who knows how many millions Diony will have cost us by the time he goes back. 

I'm guessing the thick end of £100 for every single season ticket sold. 

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1 minute ago, Bri Stool City said:

Guessing anyone of the 3 clubs that go up will be getting our best boys.

Imagine any of them going over the Bridge 

:gaah:

Don’t know about over it

I think I may be off it if that happened 

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1 hour ago, EmersonsRed said:

Flint gone, Baker gone, Bryan gone, Patterson gone.

 

 

How about hope and prospects?

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There are 6 players who pre-date LJ and are the heart of the squad.  Bobby Reid, Frank Fielding, Joe Bryan, Aden Flint, Marlon Pack and Korey Smith.  If we lose more than 2 of these I really will worry.  I don't see many of the others as being natural leaders - Wright was only made captain because he was LJ's man.  The natural captain of the team is Korey Smith.  Unless we buy in some grit and nous with Championship experience we will be back to where we were with Cotts and a squad of 14, but the only difference will be the squad will be bigger but the sum of its parts less than before.  

 

 

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Anyway the good news is...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

together with the traditional World Cup Failure it  should make for a lively and interesting summer on OTIB

:boxing::ph34r::help::boxing::gaah::w00t:

 

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1 hour ago, iamalagerdrinker said:

LJ: “It could be a difficult summer and we have to make some strong decisions. They may or may not go down well but I promise the decisions we do make will be for the right reasons for the long-term prospects to get us to where we want to be.” #BRCvHUL

Presumably they will go down well though, if it’s true that - “the decisions we do make will be for the right reasons for the long-term prospects to get us to where we want to be.”

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Flint and Bryan will almost certainly be off.

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4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Imagine any of them going over the Bridge 

:gaah:

Don’t know about over it

I think I may be off it if that happened 

Nightmare scenario to see any of them there but especially Bobby, Flint or JB. Would be bloody awful! 

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