Bobfish Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, ollywhyte said: I think a back three of Vyner Flint Kelly would be very well balanced and a strong foundation to build a 3-5-2. LJ seems to struggle to understand the requirement for fb's to defend in a 442, so I would worry about LJ doing this even more in a 352. Whilst I would like more players in the midfield, we just don't have the strength on the wings or with a commanding keeper to do this at championship level, unlike in L1. A pity, I agree. 5 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said: Also highly inexperienced. It would be a worry, irrespective of how much talent they have if both Vyner and Kelly are in the starting XI next year. Time will tell. Which also confuses me as to why Kelly hasn't been given more games this season, especially considering how poor patterson and often bryan have been. Bryan to left wing and kelly to Lb would have provided us with so much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 56 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: Are you on the wind up? Wright a poor signing? Diedhiou jury out? Baker jury out? Yet Steele was a good signing? Wow Sorry do not rate Wright at all. I initially gave Baker the green. However, the talk of him potentially leaving due to his lifestyle, or whatever has gone has me scratching my head as to why the club would of brought him in. When all we hear from Ashton is the strict protocol into deciding whether a player fits the club. And yes, Steele is a good keeper at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaspberryRed Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Davefevs said: I think we might lose Flint, Baker, Pack, Bryan and Reid over the summer. Think Pisano might head back to Italy too. Here’s our starting line-up next season. Fielding; New RB, Wright, New CB / Magnússon, Kelly O’Dowda, Brownhill, Smith, Eliasson New ST, Diedhiou Rest of squad; Steele, Moore, Vyner, Hegeler, Paterson, New CM, Taylor, Djúric, etc #worried Genuinely #worried About next season to be honest let's say we lose Flint, Bryan and Bobby the worry is do we really have championship ready Players already at the club to replace them? I think the answer is probably not. LJ was also talking about needing a leader so unless he has one in mind that's even more money we have to spend. Marlon was the only player I saw yesterday Who was screaming at his teammates pointing to his temples telling people to stay switched on. We really need to add a steely edge because despite Playing some wonderful football we didn't have the ability to bully anyone If Steve Lansdown gives him a decent budget over the summer it will make a mockery of why we didn't invest in January to freshen things up and add some impetus love him or hate him but Alex Ferguson more often then not added a new face or two in January when they were in their pomp and cited it as always aiding their success due to keeping everyone on point and focused on the business end of the season I do still believe that an injury free Matty Taylor playing regularly could well be our surprise package for next season and an injury free Fam with a season of English football should be getting a good return, let's hope so because over the last three seasons without JK, Tammy and Bobby we would have seen the return of Bristol derbies!!! if Bobby goes gone are the days when you can go out and buy a 20 goal striker without paying stupid money. added to that the wages that our owner is rightly or wrongly unwilling to pay. I hear the P word bandied about so much it's horrifying. we may well have progressed in some ways but come the summer we could very well be going backwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, RaspberryRed said: Genuinely #worried About next season to be honest me too let's say we lose Flint, Bryan and Bobby the worry is do we really have championship ready Players already at the club to replace them? I think the answer is probably not. We don’t, unless some really step up. Two of those three haven’t let their standards drop like others. LJ was also talking about needing a leader so unless he has one in mind that's even more money we have to spend. Marlon was the only player I saw yesterday Who was screaming at his teammates pointing to his temples telling people to stay switched on. We really need to add a steely edge because despite Playing some wonderful football we didn't have the ability to bully anyone Thought Marlon was great yesterday, but let down elsewhere. If Steve Lansdown gives him a decent budget over the summer it will make a mockery of why we didn't invest in January to freshen things up and add some impetus Mmmm, very good point. Not something I’d related too up to now. I think he didn’t invest in January because the money wasn’t there. I don’t think it will be in the summer too. Transfer Window 5 is likely to be the most important in terms of players coming in / going out, and it’s effin World Cup summer, and an earlier deadline. Better get things done early. love him or hate him but Alex Ferguson more often then not added a new face or two in January when they were in their pomp and cited it as always aiding their success due to keeping everyone on point and focused on the business end of the season I’m a bit mixed on this Re January, but do take the old Liverpool approach of improving the squad when it’s at the top. I do still believe that an injury free Matty Taylor playing regularly could well be our surprise package for next season. let's hope so because over the last three seasons without JK, Tammy and Bobby we would have seen the return of Bristol derbies!!! if Bobby goes gone are the days when you can go out and buy a 20 goal striker without paying stupid money. added to that the wages that our owner is rightly or wrongly unwilling to pay. I wonder if he’s started many games alongside Diedhiou, so I checked. Twice.... V Stoke V Palace Funnily enough, the two games, I thought Taylor played better than I’d ever seen, and made me give him a bit of re-evaluation. He scored in both too. You may be on to something. @GrahamC - thoughts? I hear the P word bandied about so much it's horrifying. we may well have progressed in some ways but come the summer we could very well be going backwards See above Mike. Good to see you yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Davefevs said: I think we might lose Flint, Baker, Pack, Bryan and Reid over the summer. Think Pisano might head back to Italy too. Here’s our starting line-up next season. Fielding; New RB, Wright, New CB / Magnússon, Kelly O’Dowda, Brownhill, Smith, Eliasson New ST, Diedhiou Rest of squad; Steele, Moore, Vyner, Hegeler, Paterson, New CM, Taylor, Djúric, etc #worried How depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Eliasson will be the new Reid, supplying missiles for the underrated Diedhiou and Djuric to head in. Diedhiou's second goal yesterday was one of the best attacking headers I've seen. A floated ball across, quite far from goal and manages to get enough power and placement to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Eliasson will be the new Reid, supplying missiles for the underrated Diedhiou and Djuric to head in. Diedhiou's second goal yesterday was one of the best attacking headers I've seen. A floated ball across, quite far from goal and manages to get enough power and placement to score. Fammy is easily a 20 goal striker. He is the least of our problems. Him and Djuric will look good in a 4-5-1 with Eliasson/Bryan (winger, not a left back) and O'Dowda shredding it up. Pack at the base of a dynamic midfield 3. We are going to win the league, have faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 55 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Eliasson will be the new Reid, supplying missiles for the underrated Diedhiou and Djuric to head in. Diedhiou's second goal yesterday was one of the best attacking headers I've seen. A floated ball across, quite far from goal and manages to get enough power and placement to score. Do you not think it was a fairly easy header. The ball in everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: I think we might lose Flint, Baker, Pack, Bryan and Reid over the summer. Think Pisano might head back to Italy too. Here’s our starting line-up next season. Fielding; New RB, Wright, New CB / Magnússon, Kelly O’Dowda, Brownhill, Smith, Eliasson New ST, Diedhiou Rest of squad; Steele, Moore, Vyner, Hegeler, Paterson, New CM, Taylor, Djúric, etc #worried While I share your concerns, it's hard to say who will leave. I think Flint might stay, but maybe he agreed to sign with the addition of a but out. It may be down to which clubs make the offers, the end of season form may put some off. Baker I can see going, shame as he was a rock earlier in the season. Agree with the RB situation, Pisano swayed from poor to reckless, and I've been a fan. New RB needed. CB. Mags is fine, Wright I'm still not sure and if we can't hold onto Flint or Baker maybe a new signing . LB. Kelly looks a safe bet but with Mags as cover I doubt we will spend here. MF. I still think we could do with an addition here, and I would still like to try a 3 even if it is Pack,Smith and Brownhill. If we keep him I see a big year for Josh. Strikers. FD , and additions here. Engvall looks nailed on to leave and with Bobby's star shining bright he'd be mad to put off a move if a big club came in. I think we need 2 decent strikers with real pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Red_Wizard said: 16/17 Signings: Tomlin Magnusson Moore Djuric Engvall O'Dowda Taylor Hegeler Brownhill De Girolamo O'Neil Matthews Paterson Lucic Giefer Wright Abraham Cotterill Ekstrand Lucic 17/18 Signings: Diedhou Baker Eliasson Walsh Steele Pisano Leko Kent Woodrow Diony Red = Poor Signings Yellow = Jury is still out Green = Good Signing Just in my opinion of course, but this what I rate the quality of the signings we have made. Does anyone actually trust Johnson, Ashton, and the scouting team to actually be able to improve our team? Again in my opinion, we will be royally f***** if we lose the core players we have before Johnson was here. You don't need the jury for Lucic, he's gone mate. Another red I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Fielding RWB ?? RCB- Vyner LCB- Kelly LWB- ?? CDM- Taylor Moore CDM- Walsh RM- Brownhill LM- O’Dowda ACM- Patterson FWD- Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 I honestly think our back 4 next year will be: NEW RB - Vyner - Kelly - NEW LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 My instincts (and contract expiries) say we're going to lose Flint, Bryan, Reid, Hegeler, Engvall, O'Neil, Smith, Golbourne, and Garita. I like Frankie, but hes simply not good enough. Taylor may have to move on. Magnusson I also feel would move on for the sake of his career. Goalkeepers: New GK, Defenders: New RB, Wright, Baker, New LB (depending on whether Kelly sees himself as a CB or LB) Midfielders: New RM, Brownhill, Pack, O'Dowda (imperative we have a winger willing to help Kelly in a full debut season). Strikers: Dhiediou, New Striker, Bench: Djuric, Walsh, Eliasson, O'Leary, Vyner, Kelly, Paterson. With backups options at this moment consisting of Taylor Moore, Morrell, Baldwin. Id assume we would look to loan out Opi Edwards, Bakinson, Andrews, Lemoneigh-Evans, Dowling, Harper, Pring, Semenyo, McCoulsky, Smith, and Hinds, to continue their development at a higher level, hopefully in League One in some cases (Moore, Hinds, McCoulsky, Andrews). On that balance, we need at least 4 signings for the first team. Signings I would not trust to MA or LJ. Consisting of GK, RB, CB (Replacing Maggs and assuming Baker stays or vice versa), LB (Competition for Kelly), CM (Replacing Korey if he goes or at worst to compete with Brownhill, Morrell and Walsh as backup), RM (As we have no natural winger on that side and Eliasson balatedly isnt trusted as more than Backup), Competition in CAM/CF if Reid moves on for Paterson, and a ST to give us some variety preferable with some pace. It literally may end up being every position on the pitch. And Johnson/MA has signed players for every position that have been pretty woeful or underperformed, such as Giefer, Lucic, Maggers, Wright, Golbourne, Eliasson, Kent, Woodrow, Diony, Engvall, Taylor, Moore, Leko, Matthews, and Hegeler. Compare that to some of the players we've lost. O'Donnell, Kodjia, Ayling, Freeman, Tomlin, Williams. On paper, over the past year, this squad is weaker than the squad last season, Tomlin was a convenient scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: I think we might lose Flint, Baker, Pack, Bryan and Reid over the summer. Think Pisano might head back to Italy too. Here’s our starting line-up next season. Fielding; New RB, Wright, New CB / Magnússon, Kelly O’Dowda, Brownhill, Smith, Eliasson New ST, Diedhiou Rest of squad; Steele, Moore, Vyner, Hegeler, Paterson, New CM, Taylor, Djúric, etc #worried quite thought provoking but I have decided my team for next season is Bristol City #gluttonforpunishment #notworriedyetbutaballhasnotbeenkicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: I posted either yesterday or day before that Hegeler is probably one of our most technical players and I think one of our best players if we played a style to suit him. His touch is exquisite. The signing of Baker was to cover Flint going, but it ended up stifling Hegeler. Quite agree with this- we've never really given him a crack in his correct position, have we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 I do wonder with the drop? in form of Bryan, Flint and Reid since January that unless everything has been kept incredibly quiet, they weren't overwhelmed by the offers? made and just thought **** it! It doesn't always pay to believe your own hype? Apologies to Reid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: In that scenario? Probably a season of rebuilding and lower mid table mediocrity. How we rebuild- the quality or otherwise of the replacements- probably then sets the tone for how the next few seasons after that pan out... Fielding New RB Wright New CB Kelly Brownhill Hegeler Smith O'Dowda Paterson Diedhiou How can it be time to rebuild when we're supposed to be building? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: How can it be time to rebuild when we're supposed to be building? If we lose Flint, Baker, Bryan, Pack and Reid- and Pisano to a lesser extent- as suggested in the OP, the need for rebuilding will be inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: If we lose Flint, Baker, Bryan, Pack and Reid- and Pisano to a lesser extent- as suggested in the OP, the need for rebuilding will be inevitable. Just seems daft to me. What's the point in making all this so-called 'progress' if we're gonna have to start from scratch again? Mind you, I'm not convinced our players are gonna be as sought-after as people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: Just seems daft to me. What's the point in making all this so-called 'progress' if we're gonna have to start from scratch again? Mind you, I'm not convinced our players are gonna be as sought-after as people think. I agree, I hope we sell none (though in the case of Monaco and Brentford, they seem to have a business model along those lines). I think Reid would be sought after- absolutely. The rest? Good players but more variables, e.g. which teams at which times, price tags. Maybe Flint by Stoke or West Brom when they come down- but lots of sides at this level will be hamstrung by FFP to varying degrees so may not be able to afford, on paper anyway, our star players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 hours ago, mozo said: We need Korey to stay as Captain Really? For whatever reason do you suggest this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 32 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I agree, I hope we sell none (though in the case of Monaco and Brentford, they seem to have a business model along those lines). I think Reid would be sought after- absolutely. The rest? Good players but more variables, e.g. which teams at which times, price tags. Maybe Flint by Stoke or West Brom when they come down- but lots of sides at this level will be hamstrung by FFP to varying degrees so may not be able to afford, on paper anyway, our star players. I agree about Bobby. Although he has only had one really good season, so I don't think the price tag would be as high as suggested. I'd price him around £8million, with Bryan £3.5million and Flint £2million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 9 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: I'd like to see Djuric given more of a chance next season..... And Hegeler too....a very fine footballer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Ivorguy said: Really? For whatever reason do you suggest this? Because Korey is our best player.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 hours ago, GrahamC said: Anyone thought about contacting Crimewatch re Hegeler? Went missing in September last year, think he managed to escape from his captors for a week a month ago but gone awol again since. Utterly futile signing. Fine footballer....has been injured....started the season as first choice centre half...not his fault when he’s fit and not picked to play?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Davefevs said: I think we might lose Flint, Baker, Pack, Bryan and Reid over the summer. Think Pisano might head back to Italy too. Here’s our starting line-up next season. Fielding; New RB, Wright, New CB / Magnússon, Kelly O’Dowda, Brownhill, Smith, Eliasson New ST, Diedhiou Rest of squad; Steele, Moore, Vyner, Hegeler, Paterson, New CM, Taylor, Djúric, etc #worried God that's depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Ivorguy said: Really? For whatever reason do you suggest this? Because he's by far out best player this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 hours ago, AshtonGreat said: I agree about Bobby. Although he has only had one really good season, so I don't think the price tag would be as high as suggested. I'd price him around £8million, with Bryan £3.5million and Flint £2million. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 hours ago, AshtonGreat said: I agree about Bobby. Although he has only had one really good season, so I don't think the price tag would be as high as suggested. I'd price him around £8million, with Bryan £3.5million and Flint £2million. Erm. What? Firstly, regarding Bobby, £9m, due to the contract situation, to match what Burnley paid for Gray - would probably about right. Although Id smack a 20% sell on just in case. Flint - £2m After rejecting £6m in Jan? Let me think about that. Hmm - Nope. We should at least get the same. Bryan - Same circumstances as Bobby. Stronger and refined whereas Reid being quite slight is a risk in the Prem, with more rumoured interest which may start a bidding war. I'd therefore argue £10m. Add to that I reckon Pack will leave, for say £3-4m. Thats £28m total that I would in no way trust to Ashton or Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, fishy said: Because he's by far out best player this season My question was in answer to the point made that we needed Smith as captain I have seen or heard nothing to suggest he can do this job. Nothing to do with his ability as a player. We need a leader on the field capable of raising others' games and influencing tactics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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