BTRFTG Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 'It was a great game for the neutral': Save I'm City, all those around me were City, the Hull fans looked like they knew who they wanted to win and other than the embarrassment in a Tottenham shirt I'd love to know how many other 'neutrals' buy tickets to come and see us? Winning isn't everything: As the legendary winning coach Vince Lombardi reminded:"....it's the only thing." 'It was like pre/post season': No it wasn't, it was like the time of year when teams who mean business start to do the business. 'All the Bristol Sport coaches benefit from meeting weekly to share ideas': If I wanted to watch basketball I'd buy tickets for the Flyers but as I think that's a stupid, non-contact sport for soft lads with squeeky daps I'd rather not see those elements transferred to a football stadium. Football's supposed to be entertaining: No fan has ever asked 'how did we play' prior to asking 'what was the result?' Successful managers build sides in their own likeness and play systems they're familiar with: Sadly, ain't that true...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 The bill Grundy interview with the sex pistols on sky arts is worth a watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 In the words of the late, great Colin Chapman, founder of Lotus Cars and the Lotus Formula One team: "If you're not winning, you're not trying" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Well I’d rather watch entertaining matches and end up tenth than “succeed” under a Pulis type regime with a succession of dreary 1-0 and 0-0 results. To me its an entertainment not a religion or a business venture, so thrills are as important as points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted April 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, sticks 1969 said: The bill Grundy interview with the sex pistols on sky arts is worth a watch Sadly, Season 2 nowhere near as good as Season 1 (watched the Cooper/ Dali myth last night and amazingly Fearless' wasn't the worst performance from a Fielding I saw yesterday.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColeCiderRed Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Great album by the verve that... What? Ohh Urban hymns, HYMNS!! Sorry the confusion of yesterday still has my mind boggling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gert Mare Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, Leveller said: Well I’d rather watch entertaining matches and end up tenth than “succeed” under a Pulis type regime with a succession of dreary 1-0 and 0-0 results. To me its an entertainment not a religion or a business venture, so thrills are as important as points. Bill Shankly would have given you a slap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Cheesleysmate said: Bill Shankly would have given you a slap Maybe. But he didn’t set out to bore us to death either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUTOR Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 On 22/04/2018 at 10:49, BTRFTG said: Sadly, Season 2 nowhere near as good as Season 1 (watched the Cooper/ Dali myth last night and amazingly Fearless' wasn't the worst performance from a Fielding I saw yesterday.) Jack Whitehall as Marc Bolan was difficult to sit through, awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Leveller said: Well I’d rather watch entertaining matches and end up tenth than “succeed” under a Pulis type regime with a succession of dreary 1-0 and 0-0 results. To me its an entertainment not a religion.... To some it is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Leveller said: Well I’d rather watch entertaining matches and end up tenth than “succeed” under a Pulis type regime with a succession of dreary 1-0 and 0-0 results.... ...and as you posted this on a thread entitled ‘Urban Myths’ - since Pulis took over at ‘Boro in December 2017 they’ve had just one 0-0 result and of all their victories....only one has been by a 1-0 scoreline.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 9 hours ago, BTRFTG said: 'All the Bristol Sport coaches benefit from meeting weekly to share ideas': If I wanted to watch basketball I'd buy tickets for the Flyers but as I think that's a stupid, non-contact sport for soft lads with squeeky daps I'd rather not see those elements transferred to a football stadium. I think Flyers Coach Kapoulas has had a bit too much influence then....yesterday was played like a basketball match! Basketball is certainly not a non-contact sport, both for the players and spectators. I got very personal with the Flyers Point Guard Jordan Davis last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Midlands Robin said: In the words of the late, great Colin Chapman, founder of Lotus Cars and the Lotus Formula One team: "If you're not winning, you're not trying" Is that the most meaningless thing anyone has ever said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 I really don't get this I want to be entertained rather than boring 1-0 wins. Imagine 23 of them at home in a season. If you want to be entertained go to see a film or a band. Football is about winning not 5-5 draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54-46 Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Bouncearoundtheground said: Jack Whitehall as Marc Bolan was difficult to sit through, awful The Public Enemy one was good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 I get entertained by wins and the progress in the league and cups that follows . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 9 hours ago, Leveller said: Well I’d rather watch entertaining matches and end up tenth than “succeed” under a Pulis type regime with a succession of dreary 1-0 and 0-0 results. To me its an entertainment not a religion or a business venture, so thrills are as important as points. Deary me, unbelievable for a fan, maybe you are the customer that Ashton and co want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken George Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Is that the most meaningless thing anyone has ever said? If you’re not spouting some bullshit, then you’re not trying. Is what he really meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted April 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: I got very personal with the Flyers Point Guard Jordan Davis last night. I'm tempted to request such information be kept from this forum but am tempted to wonder whether he made your daps squeek.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: I'm tempted to request such information be kept from this forum but am tempted to wonder whether he made your daps squeek.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 16 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Is that the most meaningless thing anyone has ever said? :laugh: quite possibly but I wanted to join in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 22/04/2018 at 10:40, Leveller said: Well I’d rather watch entertaining matches and end up tenth than “succeed” under a Pulis type regime with a succession of dreary 1-0 and 0-0 results. To me its an entertainment not a religion or a business venture, so thrills are as important as points. The whole entertainment v points thing is an interesting debate. I've seen plenty of entertaining football at Ashton Gate over the years. However I've never seen us in the top division (I'm 34). There are thrills to be had from entertaining games, but there are also thrills to be had when the full time whistle goes to confirm your promotion to a higher division. Who here wouldn't have swapped Saturday's 5-5 for a scrappy 1-0 win to keep us in the play off hunt? Personally I would happily see us play a pragmatic, efficient type of football in the Cardiff mould if it meant promotion at the end of it. It would be a means to an end. I wouldn't necessarily want us to play that way forever, but the reward at the end of it would make it worthwhile. I'm struggling to believe that people would be sat here moaning about our style of play if we were on the verge of automatic promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 18 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: To some it is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 22/04/2018 at 11:29, Cheesleysmate said: Bill Shankly would have given you a slap Though he was joking with his famous quote about football being more important than life and death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: The whole entertainment v points thing is an interesting debate. I've seen plenty of entertaining football at Ashton Gate over the years. However I've never seen us in the top division (I'm 34). There are thrills to be had from entertaining games, but there are also thrills to be had when the full time whistle goes to confirm your promotion to a higher division. Who here wouldn't have swapped Saturday's 5-5 for a scrappy 1-0 win to keep us in the play off hunt? Personally I would happily see us play a pragmatic, efficient type of football in the Cardiff mould if it meant promotion at the end of it. It would be a means to an end. I wouldn't necessarily want us to play that way forever, but the reward at the end of it would make it worthwhile. I'm struggling to believe that people would be sat here moaning about our style of play if we were on the verge of automatic promotion. Well ideally we can move on to paying exciting football AND succeeding. Man City and Wolves have shown it can be done. The risk of succeeding with the pragmatic approach is that you stick with it and fans die of boredom. You end up with Man Utd second in the country and fans still aren’t happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Leveller said: Well ideally we can move on to paying exciting football AND succeeding. Man City and Wolves have shown it can be done. The risk of succeeding with the pragmatic approach is that you stick with it and fans die of boredom. You end up with Man Utd second in the country and fans still aren’t happy. Completely agree that the ideal scenario is you go up playing good football. It’s probably easier for Man City and Wolves to do that though, given their budgets relative to the other teams in their division. That said, Bournemouth and Swansea spring to mind as lesser clubs who have achieved success while playing an attractive style, so it can be done. But if someone came in and thought the best way to get us up was with a more direct style, I could handle that for a season or two if they delivered on the promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Completely agree that the ideal scenario is you go up playing good football. It’s probably easier for Man City and Wolves to do that though, given their budgets relative to the other teams in their division. That said, Bournemouth and Swansea spring to mind as lesser clubs who have achieved success while playing an attractive style, so it can be done. But if someone came in and thought the best way to get us up was with a more direct style, I could handle that for a season or two if they delivered on the promise. Recruitment based on a style and sticking to it. Sticking to principles, not deviating away from it if you believe it. Tough decisions sometimes. It is possible to play neat and tidy stuff with Diedhiou up front, we proved it in good spells on Saturday. It doesn’t need Paterson floating. The difference Saturday (whilst it was going well) was quick one or two touch passing, good service into players showing good movement. In recruitment you might see players that you think can fit that, or you might focus on teams playing a similar way to get a better guide to ability to fit in. Much as I can see the merits of a Djúric in the squad, it’s completely against the principles / identity of LJs style. I accept he was recruited last winter when our position was in jeopardy, but LJs 442/4411 style / principle, has never been lump it to the big man, so you’d have to question where he saw him fitting in longer term. £1.6m for a player you’re moving from Italy who doesn’t match your way of playing is irresponsible imho. Dalglish bought Carroll and then had a LW Downing, RW Maxi....great....then played them on their wrong side. What was he thinking? £35m too....ignore the Torres money. I think it is possible to improve this squad without spending £10m+ (on top of money we get from any sales). We can be more frugal, and I also think it might buy LJ a bit more respect, and not enable us to beat on about Engvall, Moore, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 Good time to revisit this thread a bit? We are now seeing solid run- not necessarily great, one or 2 maybe 3 good games but a solid run nonetheless- and yet seems to be a lot of discontent about football being played. Yet even in our slump 2nd half last season we had a 5-5 draw, 3-3-draw, 2-2 draw and a 3-2 loss. That's just off the top of my head too- lots of goals, minimum 4 points out of those- thinking the 2 home draws- let slip fairly needlessly. Entertainment or results? We often have seemed to find it hard to blend the 2, certainly post Christmas 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 I am bamboozled Dave you say not lis style or princible to lump it up to a big man well I am pretty sure that's exactly what I have been watching lump it up in fams direction surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 CTID … Myth. How many passed the Russell Osman litmus test? Not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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