The Batman Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Managed it against probably the best attacking team in the world at the Etihad Keep that same concentration and they could do both of these. Signing virgil van dijk has improved them greatly. Not often a defender can justify that price tag but if they win the CL. 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Different rules in UEFA to UK probably. Sure it's happened before too with clubs and players. If I recall correctly, Fernando morientes scored against his parent club in the champions league many years ago. Guessing clubs presume they won't play each other in Europe, but the commentator said earlier that real Madrid and bayern Munich have played each other the most in CL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Here comes the play acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just nothing convincing about Real but thats what top teams do. Bayern will have nightmares. Bloody exciting game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Don't think bayern's keeper will play for them after this season. Can't afford to make stupid mistakes like that at a top club. Lesser clubs would give you a second chance. The top clubs don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Batman said: Signing virgil van dijk has improved them greatly. Not often a defender can justify that price tag but if they win the CL. If I recall correctly, Fernando morientes scored against his parent club in the champions league many years ago. Guessing clubs presume they won't play each other in Europe, but the commentator said earlier that real Madrid and bayern Munich have played each other the most in CL history. I think Bayern tonight excellent and indeed Heyenckes is vastly (to put it mildly) experienced. Indeed, beat Klopp 2-1 in 2013 final- shame no rematch. Also he was sacked in 98 after winning a Champions League- with Real Madrid. Little narratives all over the place! Seem to recall Courtois playing against Chelsea when on loan at Atletico 2014- maybe it is down to the individual club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Wow. Now THAT was entertainment. Power, precision, purpose. Now LJ, forget pondourous Arsenal possession type football, this is now the modern game. Terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, The Batman said: Liverpool will knock plenty passed both of these based on tonight's showing. Liverpool must learn how to defend though They’ve been a lot more solid since van dyke came in. Seems a good leader and calm with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 @Moor2Sea Bayern had a load of possession by the way- just because there was a lot of pace, power and excitement- and it was a great game. Just because of that, didn't mean the game, and particularly Bayern, didn't play to a high technical standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 36 minutes ago, The Batman said: Liverpool will knock plenty passed both of these based on tonight's showing. Liverpool must learn how to defend though Think Liverpool, and it's easy to say now, would have been and will be, better suited to playing Madrid than Bayern. Bayern looked much better than Real Madrid tonight and Heyenckes and Klopp know how each other play. However, Real Madrid it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Anyway, balls to that Euro shite. In the Big Match, AFC Wimbledon got the point they needed to stay up. Which means next season they will be in the division above the MK Dons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockwood gate Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 48 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: 2-0 Scunny, Plymouth just ain`t at the races tonight 49 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: 2-0 Scunny, Plymouth just ain`t at the races tonight I hope city are looking at Argyles Graham Carey had a awesome season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedRock Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: @Moor2Sea Bayern had a load of possession by the way- just because there was a lot of pace, power and excitement- and it was a great game. Just because of that, didn't mean the game, and particularly Bayern, didn't play to a high technical standard. Not disagreeing. ... was what I meant by precision. The passing accuracy over distance was unbelievable, ball control on another level, movement so fluid, willingness to run forward and attack your opponent a revelation ... so much to admire. Crucially, first thought wasn’t to pass backwards or sideways but keep forward momentum... playing another game to those stuck in the 90’s ‘possession is king’ ethos. Hope Southgate and LJ we’re watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Moor2Sea said: Not disagreeing. ... was what I meant by precision. The passing accuracy over distance was unbelievable, ball control on another level, movement so fluid, willingness to run forward and attack your opponent a revelation ... so much to admire. Crucially, first thought wasn’t to pass backwards or sideways but keep forward momentum... playing another game to those stuck in the 90’s ‘possession is king’ ethos. Hope Southgate and LJ we’re watching. I agree then Sometimes I think a backwards or a sideways pass or even a few in some circs- yeah can be useful to take the sting about a bit, while the side builds again but 99% of the time, it should never be a first resort. You're right, the technical standard superb, lovely- quick, fluid and indeed running at opponents too- such a big game, such stakes. Both sides were a credit! (Still think first 8-9 years of Wenger's reign was rather good though- Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Ljunberg to name 4- very good until end of 04-05 IMO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Will add on the final too. Liverpool favourites... however if Real Madrid play (subject to availability). Casemerio Modric Kroos Isco Ronaldo Benzema (though I wonder despite his goals tonight if Bale and Ronaldo wide with Isco behind maybe better). That IMO would change the equation significantly and I think that midfield on paper if it clicks can compete very strongly with any, and perhaps get the better of most ATM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Think Liverpool, and it's easy to say now, would have been and will be, better suited to playing Madrid than Bayern. Bayern looked much better than Real Madrid tonight and Heyenckes and Klopp know how each other play. However, Real Madrid it will be. Will be interesting to see the Salah vs Marcelo battle. Both won’t mark each other as will be too busy getting forward. Though Real have played Barca all these years against Neymar and Messi so has to count for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 54 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Will be interesting to see the Salah vs Marcelo battle. Both won’t mark each other as will be too busy getting forward. Though Real have played Barca all these years against Neymar and Messi so has to count for something. It definitely would be. Thing is though, Liverpool's frontline is really fluid so will it be a traditional Salah v Marcelo duel? Hard to say. Front line as fluid as that, and not just Liverpool a lot of modern high calibre sides- the traditional full back v winger battle, not quite so prevalent. Winger, or inside forward in fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: It definitely would be. Thing is though, Liverpool's frontline is really fluid so will it be a traditional Salah v Marcelo duel? Hard to say. Front line as fluid as that, and not just Liverpool a lot of modern high calibre sides- the traditional full back v winger battle, not quite so prevalent. Winger, or inside forward in fact? Salah definitely an inside forward. Not a traditional matchup for sure but just thinking about all the space behind Marcelo. It was often Kimmich who was running in behind from RB and also in the box quite often. Actually, thinking about it, what a performance from Ramos and Varane(and Navas tbf)to only concede two with Marcelo and Vazquez at fullback last night. Almost a back two. Liverpool different animal though. The front 3 could be the best in the world. Still have to go through but RM could not defend in the same manner and expect to win. Shame about the injuries in LFC midfield though. Not sure Henderson, Milner and Wijnaldum can deal with Modric, Kroos and Casemiro. Not to mention Ronaldo who loves performing at that level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 Too much emphasis on Salah vs marcelo. Liverpool may hit the other wing and have Mane target their right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 Shame for Argyle.. Bottled it in 2 of the last 3 matches. They have had a remarkably transformative season; would have been marvellous had they managed to edge into the play offs. Next season I think will be harder for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, The Batman said: Too much emphasis on Salah vs marcelo. Liverpool may hit the other wing and have Mane target their right back. Certainly will be a great football match full of attacking football. Liverpool still have a job to do before that though, not over yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Super said: Certainly will be a great football match full of attacking football. Liverpool still have a job to do before that though, not over yet. Oh yeah of course. But Barcelona were god awful in the last round against roma away. If Liverpool do go with that complacency, they will be punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, The Batman said: Oh yeah of course. But Barcelona were god awful in the last round against roma away. If Liverpool do go with that complacency, they will be punished. Obviously I don't believe this- so any libel lawyers reading put your pens away. Roma have a strong home record in Europe no doubt, if Liverpool go there thinking it's won they could easily get turned over. Actually, looking at it an underrated side in terms of talent arguably- a midfield of Strootman, Nainggolan, De Rossi and Dzeko leading the line- likes of Under, Schick, El Shaarawy on their day can all bring varying qualities to the table and in the case of the first 2 should improve as they are quite young, Pellegrini as back up in midfield, a centre back like Manolas, Allisson in goal- that's actually very decent IMO. Back to my first line though- looking at Barcelona and their defensive record in general, plus Messi- surely in all normal circs a 4-1 lead even away to a side like Roma should be more than defendable. Sometimes I wonder about football- some sides get most lucky with refs for example. Considering that prior to that, this season Barcelona's away record in big games, albeit in no particular order- though some flaws were exposed- read: Atletico 1-1 Valencia 1-1 Villarreal 2-0 Real Madrid 3-0 Juventus 0-0 Chelsea 1-1 Sevilla 2-2 I'm not suggesting anything untoward- not even suggesting Roma wouldn't have been capable of a win on the night say 1-0, 2-1 something like, but to turn around a 3 goal deficit and restrict to about 3 shots on target. Barcelona had lost a game yes at Espanyol in the Cup, local derby and that, but 1-0- such a turnaround makes you wonder tbh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 13 hours ago, Moor2Sea said: Not disagreeing. ... was what I meant by precision. The passing accuracy over distance was unbelievable, ball control on another level, movement so fluid, willingness to run forward and attack your opponent a revelation ... so much to admire. Crucially, first thought wasn’t to pass backwards or sideways but keep forward momentum... playing another game to those stuck in the 90’s ‘possession is king’ ethos. Hope Southgate and LJ we’re watching. In other posts you make reference to this nineties football, but fail to debate what you refer to. What is this nineties football? George Grahams Arsenal and Wilkinson's Leeds were Premier League champions during the nineties. They were not possession based teams either. In other posts you frequently slate Jordan Henderson of England and that attacking beast Liverpool for sideways passing. He plays for a team that very much starts with an attitude of possession is King, so do Bayern ... If you watch German football you will see that they very regularly go backwards, sideways because that is what the game dictates, they monopolise possession. Bayern Munich in the league frequently play like England in that teams sit in against them and Bayern go sideways and backwards , three hundred and sixty degrees looking for spaces the oppositions 4-6-0/5-5-0 etc formation won't allow them. Bayerns Munich passing accuracy is 88%, possession stats 60%. It is possession is King football. What you are talking about is technical proficiency. The ball and its possession is King, having more of it, having players that are more technically skilled allows players to adjust to varied tactical situations the game throws at them. The above players display that game speed when the game allows them to. Bristol City/England do not have that proficiency ... Yet, maybe never in Citys case, but parts (not all) of the English game are working towards it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 Don’t know whether it’s a ‘Liverpool original’ But their ‘Allez Allez’ song is awesome IMHO and looks brilliant Looked a great laugh Though the players looked as if they had a great time with the fans - good to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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