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Never to the dark side

Ashton gate halt and the Portishead rail line (Merged)

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Government let’s Virgin/Stagecoach off from paying £2.6bn but can’t find £47m for this.  Give it a few months and they’ll have found £15bn for Crossrail 2

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6 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Sod it just get Marvin’s underground. 

Must admit it did look impressive but it’s never happening, this is Bristol.

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Not surprising really, as the application was made by North Somerset. That's North Somerset, that don't want to be a part of the four authorities charged with improving the infrastructure of the region. They are lead by that little hitler, Elfan App Rees, a stupid little empire builder that won't relinquish one iota of power, for fear of a hit to his massive ego, so they opted to go it alone. Or so I understand. 

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This really is a joke, one road out of Portishead and with an ever increasing population, the trouble is is that the route will travel through South Bristol which is always at the back of the queue when it comes to infrastructure, now if only we could call it the Henbury loop line instead!!!

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1 minute ago, harrys said:

This really is a joke, one road out of Portishead and with an ever increasing population, the trouble is is that the route will travel through South Bristol which is always at the back of the queue when it comes to infrastructure, now if only we could call it the Henbury loop line instead!!!

North Bristol and South Glos politicians have requested that money planned for the Portishead line, should be reallocated to North Bristol projects.

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2 minutes ago, Rich said:

North Bristol and South Glos politicians have requested that money planned for the Portishead line, should be reallocated to North Bristol projects.

There’s a shock.

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3 minutes ago, Rich said:

North Bristol and South Glos politicians have requested that money planned for the Portishead line, should be reallocated to North Bristol projects.

New football ground? :whistle:

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Is there a metrobust stop near AG? Genuinely have no idea.

Likelihood is it won't run until 2095 anyway.

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28 minutes ago, OddBallJim said:

Is there a metrobust stop near AG? Genuinely have no idea.

Likelihood is it won't run until 2095 anyway.

Behind the flats where the bowling alley used to be -  allegedly 

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The eyesore Metrobus flyover was built to accommodate A; the Portishead passenger line, and B; the electrification of that line .

A, will probably never happen  :facepalm:

B, will definitely never happen  :grr:

 

Another £2 p!55ed away 

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10 hours ago, miser said:

Behind the flats where the bowling alley used to be -  allegedly 

Yeah. It's there.  Just need some buses stopping at it...

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1 hour ago, myol'man said:

The eyesore Metrobus flyover was built to accommodate A; the Portishead passenger line, and B; the electrification of that line .

A, will probably never happen  :facepalm:

B, will definitely never happen  :grr:

 

Another £2 p!55ed away 

Remember posting about the electrification  a couple of years ago saying it was made up to give the contractors the profit they wanted.   £1 million extra per metre of height was quoted.  People thought it was a good idea.  It's amazing how people simply can't see through this..

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12 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

That’s what I’m calling my next big brass orchestra - Ashton Gate Halt & The Portishead Rail Line....

It’s a better name than one that involves a part of a motorway  :whistle:

:D :D

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13 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

Sod it just get Marvin’s underground. 

Marvin would saddle the city with debt for 50 years for his pie-in-the-sky scheme. 

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3 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

Marvin would saddle the city with debt for 50 years for his pie-in-the-sky scheme. 

But unlike the glorified bus lane that is Metrobus, a proper underground might actually work. Nothing wrong with borrowing over a long period for a productive asset - most people who buy their own homes saddle themselves with debt for 30 years.

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1 hour ago, italian dave said:

But unlike the glorified bus lane that is Metrobus, a proper underground might actually work. Nothing wrong with borrowing over a long period for a productive asset - most people who buy their own homes saddle themselves with debt for 30 years.

They do. But they know the price of the house up front. 

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Of course central govt don't want to stump up the cash.....  Bristol reputation in central govt is a place that DON'T GET NOTHING DONE !  

No New stadium...No arena then no need for new rail link ...... 

 

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7 hours ago, CotswoldRed said:

Marvin would saddle the city with debt for 50 years for his pie-in-the-sky scheme. 

So what,it's getting embarrassing telling people your from bristol.when we played man utd I walked back to temple Meades with a few mancs and they could not believe we only had buses in bristol.I didn't mention the arena,our village airport or the fact every music venue in the city is nearly closed.let's think big for once

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5 hours ago, Fodbarmyarmy said:

Of course central govt don't want to stump up the cash.....  Bristol reputation in central govt is a place that DON'T GET NOTHING DONE !  

No New stadium...No arena then no need for new rail link ...... 

 

Agreed but, central government effectively punishes the area due to the separated authorities. Each one makes a separate or sometimes joint application for funding, and each one is systematically turned down, in favour of a scheme in an area with a higher population. The reality is that this is not the case, it's just that the area and population are sub divided and each area wants to remain in control of their budgets, without relinquishing any power to an authority which might just get that funding. Divide and rule comes to mind in this area, it's always struggled to attract funding from any government, regardless of political persuasion. Although disliked by many, the former Avon area was better equipped, if not always successful when applying for funding from central government or European funding. 

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46 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said:

So what,it's getting embarrassing telling people your from bristol.when we played man utd I walked back to temple Meades with a few mancs and they could not believe we only had buses in bristol.I didn't mention the arena,our village airport or the fact every music venue in the city is nearly closed.let's think big for once

Quite agree. The labour council thought big when agreeing to fund the Royal Portbury Dock. It saddled the city with debt but, was proven to be one of the city's best ever investments.

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7 hours ago, CotswoldRed said:

They do. But they know the price of the house up front. 

If they think that's all there is to it, they're in for a shock when the base rate increases then!! 

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2 hours ago, Mtimmy11 said:

So what,it's getting embarrassing telling people your from bristol.when we played man utd I walked back to temple Meades with a few mancs and they could not believe we only had buses in bristol.I didn't mention the arena,our village airport or the fact every music venue in the city is nearly closed.let's think big for once

Too many councillors taking backhanders from cycling "charities" trying to turn Bristol into some sort of British version of Amsterdam or Copenhagen.

Never going to happen! We are AN AGING POPULATION! The number of people able to cycle will DECREASE as time goes on. This means we need MORE INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC TRANSPORT including ALTERNATIVES TO DRIVING AND BUSSES!

I despair at the ineptitude of the local authorities... no let me rephrase that - I despair at the pro-cycling bias and failure to see the bigger picture from the local authorities. Wanting to make the south west some sort of eco-paradise by forcing cycling upon a population that is 100% able to do it is naive.

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15 hours ago, Fodbarmyarmy said:

Of course central govt don't want to stump up the cash.....  Bristol reputation in central govt is a place that DON'T GET NOTHING DONE !  

No New stadium...No arena then no need for new rail link ...... 

 

Exactly! ....any other city and ithey would have had all of this built and operational ages ago ...:yawn:

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21 hours ago, myol'man said:

The eyesore Metrobus flyover was built to accommodate A; the Portishead passenger line, and B; the electrification of that line .

A, will probably never happen  :facepalm:

B, will definitely never happen  :grr:

 

Another £2 p!55ed away 

At least it wasn't expensive then :fear:

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On 18/05/2018 at 17:10, CotswoldRed said:

Marvin would saddle the city with debt for 50 years for his pie-in-the-sky scheme. 

Haven't the city been talking about such schemes for just as long?!!

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Light in the (ahem) tunnel ?

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/southwest/116m-bristol-rail-project-poised-to-get-nod-from-cabinet

27 Jun 2018  South West Business

£116m Bristol rail project poised to get nod from cabinet

Bristol Council's cabinet is set to approve the first phase of the MetroWest Rail project, which forms part of ambitious plans to bring 105,000 new homes and 82,500 new jobs to the West of England by 2036.

Approval is being sought from cabinet for a third initial promotion agreement (IPA3), to be signed in conjunction with the other West of England authorities in a meeting on 3 July 2018.

The project forms part of the West of England Joint Spatial plan, which sets out how the new jobs and homes will be delivered up to 2036.

The MetroWest Phase one project will deliver a new rail link between Bristol and Portishead, serving intermediate stations. It will also increase rail service frequencies between Severn Beach and Bath.

The cost of the scheme is estimated to be £116m, up from an initial £58m as previously estimated.

The report to go before cabinet reads: "North Somerset Council has committed to take on all liability for the additional £58m scheme costs, over and above the original £58m scheme cost estimate. Signing the IPA3 will enable the project to continue to be developed without taking on additional liabilities.

"Bristol’s Cabinet endorsed the development of the MetroWest programme (Phases 1 and 2) in January 2013. Since that time the cost profile and delivery model have changed significantly and WECA has been constituted and become a partner in this project.

"Taking this into account and the time that has elapsed it is considered that a new cabinet approval should be sought. Although a clear funding strategy has not yet been identified, delegated authority to enter into a new Initial Promotion Agreement is being sought now to avoid programme delay once a funding strategy has been identified.

"Delays to the programme would result in further cost increases, put the already allocated Local Growth Fund money at risk due to spending deadlines, and add further risk to the project. Potential options for further funding for the project include the Department for Transport’s ‘Transforming Cities Fund’."

 

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1 minute ago, phantom said:

Due to open in the Autumn - when that is exactly, who knows

There was maintenance vehicles working on the new flyover this morning. Defo more activity of late.

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On 17/05/2018 at 20:11, Never to the dark side said:

Such a shame. With house prices in BS3 astronomical at present, can see a lot of people buying in places like Pill, which are on this rail line. To have the direct link to Ashton Gate on Saturdays would have been great for fans buying homes outside the City limits. Now they'll have to contend with the already hideous match day traffic of the A369 and Cumberland Basin Underpass, plus trying to find parking somewhere!

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Re-opening a step nearer
From a letter received on the 20th February 2019

Dear Member,
Last night North Somerset Council approved a number of very significant steps for the project to reopen the Portishead line.
 
The most significant is committing an extra £15 million from NSC’s own Tier 3 business rate funding  to reduce the funding gap. This means that the funding is now in place for roughly three-quarters of the total cost and hopefully makes it easier for WECA, central government, Network Rail or other sources to come up with the remainder over the next few months.
 
Other commitments approved include:
Signing the Initial Promotion Agreement which underpins WECA and NSC working together through to delivery of the railway

Spending a further £4.5 million in 2019/20 and £7.2 million in 2020/21 to progress the project, taken from the existing Local Growth Fund source

Spending £300k on land purchases

Jointly promoting Phase 1 with WECA  (para 3.2)

Tram Trains review by NSC and Network Rail will report by end February that tram trains are more expensive than heavy rail and that it will be easy to convert Portishead to trams later if needed


The Bristol Feasibility Study (referred to in Chris Grayling’s letter last year) will report later in 2019 and it assumes that MetroWest Phase 1 and 2 are implemented
 
The DCO Submission is now scheduled for June 2019 (para 3.08), presumably to allow some of the above and other work required to be completed first.

You can find the whole document here under 19 February MetroWest Phase 1: http://apps.n-somerset.gov.uk/cairo/committees/comidx163-2018.asp
 
This all sounds very encouraging. In particular, if NSC are committing a further £15 million, then possibly WECA and Central Government could each do something similar, to close the funding gap completely.
 
Regards, Peter.
 
Peter Maliphant
Membership Secretary
Portishead Railway Group

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Any chance of re-titling this thread @phantom. When it suddenly resurfaces after a year and things have moved on....!

Mind you, with Chris Grayling anywhere near it there's still every likelihood of it failing!

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5 hours ago, phantom said:

Re-opening a step nearer
From a letter received on the 20th February 2019

Dear Member,
Last night North Somerset Council approved a number of very significant steps for the project to reopen the Portishead line.
 
The most significant is committing an extra £15 million from NSC’s own Tier 3 business rate funding  to reduce the funding gap. This means that the funding is now in place for roughly three-quarters of the total cost and hopefully makes it easier for WECA, central government, Network Rail or other sources to come up with the remainder over the next few months.
 
Other commitments approved include:
Signing the Initial Promotion Agreement which underpins WECA and NSC working together through to delivery of the railway

Spending a further £4.5 million in 2019/20 and £7.2 million in 2020/21 to progress the project, taken from the existing Local Growth Fund source

Spending £300k on land purchases

Jointly promoting Phase 1 with WECA  (para 3.2)

Tram Trains review by NSC and Network Rail will report by end February that tram trains are more expensive than heavy rail and that it will be easy to convert Portishead to trams later if needed


The Bristol Feasibility Study (referred to in Chris Grayling’s letter last year) will report later in 2019 and it assumes that MetroWest Phase 1 and 2 are implemented
 
The DCO Submission is now scheduled for June 2019 (para 3.08), presumably to allow some of the above and other work required to be completed first.

You can find the whole document here under 19 February MetroWest Phase 1: http://apps.n-somerset.gov.uk/cairo/committees/comidx163-2018.asp
 
This all sounds very encouraging. In particular, if NSC are committing a further £15 million, then possibly WECA and Central Government could each do something similar, to close the funding gap completely.
 
Regards, Peter.
 
Peter Maliphant
Membership Secretary
Portishead Railway Group

Sorry to piss on your chips,

its no closer then it was in may last year

unless the council suddenly finds 38 million down the back of the sofa, it won’t happen

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2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

Unless the council suddenly finds 38 million down the back of the sofa, it won’t happen

 

8 hours ago, phantom said:

The most significant is committing an extra £15 million from NSC’s own Tier 3 business rate funding  to reduce the funding gap. This means that the funding is now in place for roughly three-quarters of the total cost

Hi @Monkehis the £38m the total amount needed or the amount left to find? 

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Never gonna happen. Bring along the remainder of our Brexit debacle and public spending will be reigned in like never before. 

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I’d advocate leaving the car at home and getting on a bike in the meantime. Pretty nice route along the river. My old man cycled it to work and back. Even as a driver  surely the congestion and parking is enough to consider whether it is a necessity to use the car, never mind the issues from air pollution and accidents. 

 

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Everyone needs not to get there hopes up to high, I went to a presentation last autumn about the current proposal for the new line and its now down to the bargain basement level, there is no station at Ashton gate, only intermediate station is at Pill and this will now only have one platform so only one train an hour will be able to use the line, also the new trains will not be able to stop at Parson Street or bedminster as to do this they will need to reopen the closed outer platforms and relay the slow lines, 

So really this will be no real use to most city fans as you could I guess catch the train from Pill (but I did see there are going to be many parking restrictions around the station) but u will have to go all the way to temple meads and then catch a train back to Parson Street so will not be that quick 

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3 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

Do the freight trains from Portbury docks,not already use the "up relief"(the slow line)?

Quite possibly, but it’s likely that safety and other regulations are much more stringent for passenger traffic than for freight, so an upgrade in that area might still be required.

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3 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

Do the freight trains from Portbury docks,not already use the "up relief"(the slow line)?

Yes - but its only a single branch line with continuous welded track thats only rated for 30mph. The tunnels at Ham Green and by the Suspension Bridge are not passenger standard and need substantial work. That is where the costs have spiralled from. 

Perhaps they should have established the Yatton to Clevedon line and then along the old WC&P line.

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