lenred Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, harrys said: So each individual person doesn’t see £5000 go into their account, how does your average man on the street get any benefit? Sorry literally no idea what your talking about. Quoted the wrong post maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: They receive services others of us in England have to pay for. So they don’t get ready cash, so what are these services that people in Cardiff or Newport get that I don’t get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, harrys said: So they don’t get ready cash, so what are these services that people in Cardiff or Newport get that I don’t get? Anything Welsh Assembly Government wishes to provide them (and importantly it doesn't have to be spent on infrastructure.) Its largely why prescriptions are free to all and there's huge spending on promoting Welsh heritage, culture and language even in areas where most are unable to follow what's going on. I don't follow your preoccupation with 'cash' as all bar a few payments made on that basis to members of the public are via Westminster not any devolved authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 17 hours ago, James54De said: Motorpoint arena in cardiff is quite frankly, shite. New one is nowhere near. Bristol will have two decent arenas long before cardiff ever does. Clueless. Cardiff start building theirs early next year ( I live in Newport) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: Anything Welsh Assembly Government wishes to provide them (and importantly it doesn't have to be spent on infrastructure.) Its largely why prescriptions are free to all and there's huge spending on promoting Welsh heritage, culture and language even in areas where most are unable to follow what's going on. I don't follow your preoccupation with 'cash' as all bar a few payments made on that basis to members of the public are via Westminster not any devolved authority. Someone earlier in the thread said that every man woman and child receive £5200 per annum, I was just curious how and in what way they received this and how it benefits your normal Joe public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, BS3_RED said: .......( I live in Newport) Shouldn't you be renamed NP1_RED??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 11 hours ago, Redtucks said: Shouldn't you be renamed NP1_RED??? :laugh: Nah. I will always be a bemmy lad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 23/10/2021 at 19:59, harrys said: Someone earlier in the thread said that every man woman and child receive £5200 per annum, I was just curious how and in what way they received this and how it benefits your normal Joe public The quote was: "Every man woman and child in Wales receives an additional £5,200 per annum under the Barnett Formula which they can splurge on whatever they want, not necessarily anything they need. Scots receive about twice that" That someone earlier was BTRFTG, who you directed the question to. It actually states "under the Barnett Formula". This means that the extra £5200 per person is paid to the Welsh government and not to Joe public, they then use it so say, for the benefit of Joe public. I've done a little looking into this and found that the benefits Welsh Joe public receive are, free prescriptions for anyone. In England, although 90% get this free, the other 10% have to pay, even if they have a chronic illness and struggle to keep a roof over their head and feed and clothe their children. Free bus travel for over 60's. In England we currently have to wait seven years longer. A subsidised council owned bus service. The infrastructure invested in, to provide facilities for Joe public to use, such as the existing Arena, plus the New arena being built. The electrification of the valley rail network, with new lines being built across Cardiff and to the Cardiff Bay, the money for this upgrading and new lines, is coming from the Welsh budget and the UK government £125m. Link: South Wales Metro, United Kingdom (railway-technology.com). They've had massive investment compared to this region. In reality, I think it's more to do with what we don't get, or haven't got. There is also a disparity within England, due to that same Barnet formula, felt more probably in this region, due to our proximity to Wales. Other cities close to both Wales and Scotland also receive healthy subsidies due to that same formula, so maybe don't suffer the same inequalities as Bristol does. Bristol is I believe, the only core city with a net contribution towards the UK economy. All other core cities receive more than they pay in from central government grants. Perhaps this is part of the reason they all have decent arenas', good transport systems, good sporting facilities. The less well off within our area, who maybe can't afford to travel around various other parts of the country, are denied access to top quality performing artists, as a result, and those that can afford to travel, have to pay more and are inconvenienced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Rich said: Bristol is I believe, the only core city with a net contribution towards the UK economy. It’s certainly true that we’re one of only a few (at most) regions that contributes positively to the exchequer. Basically we get effed in return. It doesn’t help that we have a mayor who’s presided over the majority of the absolute scandal that is Bristol Energy as well as spunking as-yet-unknown sums on the pre-feasibility studies (guess what, they recommended moving to actual feasibility studies) on the underground project as well as the Western Harbour fiasco. If Marv (or one of his family) doesn't end up a consultant or director of YTL or L&G I’ll be staggered. The thick end of £50 million being lost by Bristol Energy will f u ck this city for years to come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 10 hours ago, CyderInACan said: It’s certainly true that we’re one of only a few (at most) regions that contributes positively to the exchequer. Basically we get effed in return. It doesn’t help that we have a mayor who’s presided over the majority of the absolute scandal that is Bristol Energy as well as spunking as-yet-unknown sums on the pre-feasibility studies (guess what, they recommended moving to actual feasibility studies) on the underground project as well as the Western Harbour fiasco. If Marv (or one of his family) doesn't end up a consultant or director of YTL or L&G I’ll be staggered. The thick end of £50 million being lost by Bristol Energy will f u ck this city for years to come. Not that i’m sticking up for this useless mayor as I blame the numptys who thought it was a good idea to have a mayor in the first place but wasn’t Bristol energy the brainchild of the previous mayor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 21/10/2021 at 21:38, Rich said: I agree that we are successful but, we still have no Arena, we still have no transport system, we still have no athletics stadium, we still have no Olympic sized pool. I doubt any cities we currently compete with for events suffer with this lack of infrastructure funding. When I say compete, I meant to say, we think about it, then don't bother, as we can't compete. Thank goodness for the entrepreneurs' of Bristol, the likes of Steve Lansdown and Wael Al Qadi, who've put their money where their mouth is to provide great facilities/tents for the city's football clubs. To be fair, there is a public Olympic sized swimming pool five minutes walk from my house here in South Bristol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 13 hours ago, Rich said: The quote was: "Every man woman and child in Wales receives an additional £5,200 per annum under the Barnett Formula which they can splurge on whatever they want, not necessarily anything they need. Scots receive about twice that" That someone earlier was BTRFTG, who you directed the question to. It actually states "under the Barnett Formula". This means that the extra £5200 per person is paid to the Welsh government and not to Joe public, they then use it so say, for the benefit of Joe public. I've done a little looking into this and found that the benefits Welsh Joe public receive are, free prescriptions for anyone. In England, although 90% get this free, the other 10% have to pay, even if they have a chronic illness and struggle to keep a roof over their head and feed and clothe their children. Free bus travel for over 60's. In England we currently have to wait seven years longer. A subsidised council owned bus service. The infrastructure invested in, to provide facilities for Joe public to use, such as the existing Arena, plus the New arena being built. The electrification of the valley rail network, with new lines being built across Cardiff and to the Cardiff Bay, the money for this upgrading and new lines, is coming from the Welsh budget and the UK government £125m. Link: South Wales Metro, United Kingdom (railway-technology.com). They've had massive investment compared to this region. In reality, I think it's more to do with what we don't get, or haven't got. There is also a disparity within England, due to that same Barnet formula, felt more probably in this region, due to our proximity to Wales. Other cities close to both Wales and Scotland also receive healthy subsidies due to that same formula, so maybe don't suffer the same inequalities as Bristol does. Bristol is I believe, the only core city with a net contribution towards the UK economy. All other core cities receive more than they pay in from central government grants. Perhaps this is part of the reason they all have decent arenas', good transport systems, good sporting facilities. The less well off within our area, who maybe can't afford to travel around various other parts of the country, are denied access to top quality performing artists, as a result, and those that can afford to travel, have to pay more and are inconvenienced. London is by a country mile the largest net contributor to the UK economy. It's also not the case that Barnett applies to England. It doesn't, but regions do receive block grants from Westminster, which of course themselves increase the contributions made to the devolved administrations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, elhombrecito said: To be fair, there is a public Olympic sized swimming pool five minutes walk from my house here in South Bristol... And, in defence of North Somerset, there’s a very public, Olympic size, swimming pool just outside Gordano School every time it rains heavily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: London is by a country mile the largest net contributor to the UK economy. It's also not the case that Barnett applies to England. It doesn't, but regions do receive block grants from Westminster, which of course themselves increase the contributions made to the devolved administrations. Yep, London & Bristol are the only 2 core cities that are net contributors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, BTRFTG said: London is by a country mile the largest net contributor to the UK economy. It's also not the case that Barnett applies to England. It doesn't, but regions do receive block grants from Westminster, which of course themselves increase the contributions made to the devolved administrations. Sorry, I thought that went without saying, as London and the south east produces something like 75% of the country's income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, elhombrecito said: To be fair, there is a public Olympic sized swimming pool five minutes walk from my house here in South Bristol... You're correct. I looked up South Bristol pool and it gave the figures as 30 Metres long. That was the council site and if I was being cynical, I'd say it's a way of not referring to it's proper name of, Jubilee Swimming pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 39 minutes ago, Rich said: You're correct. I looked up South Bristol pool and it gave the figures as 30 Metres long. That was the council site and if I was being cynical, I'd say it's a way of not referring to it's proper name of, Jubilee Swimming pool. Surely we mean swimming baths? The Pool was in W-S-M now inappropriately called Tropicana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, redysteadygo said: Surely we mean swimming baths? The Pool was in W-S-M now inappropriately called Tropicana. Sorry, I'm not understanding your reference to the Tropicana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rich said: Sorry, I'm not understanding your reference to the Tropicana. I'll fall for the woosh. Previous comments referring to swimming pools and not swimming baths. Or is it I'm old school in remembering the not so fancy terms we used back in the 50s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 17 hours ago, Rich said: I've done a little looking into this and found that the benefits Welsh Joe public receive are, free prescriptions for anyone. In England, although 90% get this free, the other 10% have to pay, even if they have a chronic illness and struggle to keep a roof over their head and feed and clothe their children. I had to look into that myself as it seemed extremely high...and I think you've misread this. It's actually only 40% of the population that get free prescriptions. It's just that 90% of dispensed items are prescribed to this 40% due to the elderly (in particular) and children generally being prescribed more than those that pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: I had to look into that myself as it seemed extremely high...and I think you've misread this. It's actually only 40% of the population that get free prescriptions. It's just that 90% of dispensed items are prescribed to this 40% due to the elderly (in particular) and children generally being prescribed more than those that pay. https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/prescriptions-and-pharmacies/who-can-get-free-prescriptions/ This will sort the uncertainty out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, Robbored said: https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/prescriptions-and-pharmacies/who-can-get-free-prescriptions/ This will sort the uncertainty out! Not quite - it excludes quite a sizeable chunk of prescriptions written, namely those for in-patient treatment. Those aren't paid for by the recipient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Rich said: You're correct. I looked up South Bristol pool and it gave the figures as 30 Metres long. That was the council site and if I was being cynical, I'd say it's a way of not referring to it's proper name of, Jubilee Swimming pool. Not sure what Jubilee has to do with anything... Hengrove Leisure Centre has a 50m pool... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 35 minutes ago, elhombrecito said: Not sure what Jubilee has to do with anything... Hengrove Leisure Centre has a 50m pool... Having swam in it I can confirm it does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, The turtle said: Having swam in it I can confirm it does Were you returning to the beach where you hatched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) On 23/10/2021 at 17:30, harrys said: So they don’t get ready cash, so what are these services that people in Cardiff or Newport get that I don’t get? Free prescriptions; greatly increased grants for students; quicker doctor appointments; etc. On 23/10/2021 at 18:03, BS3_RED said: Clueless. Cardiff start building theirs early next year ( I live in Newport) I live in cardiff. Not got planning permission yet, nor even Business case agreements. This has also been in the works since ~2007. Even if everything goes swimmingly from now it’s been accepted it won’t be open till at least 2025. Plus, the Motorpoint is almost certainly being knocked down rather soon. Who's clueless now? Edited October 25, 2021 by James54De 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, James54De said: Free prescriptions; greatly increased grants for students; quicker doctor appointments; etc. I live in cardiff. Not got planning permission yet, nor even Business case agreements. This has also been in the works since ~2007. Even if everything goes swimmingly from now it’s been accepted it won’t be open till at least 2025. Plus, the Motorpoint is almost certainly being knocked down rather soon. Who's clueless now? Sounds great, might move to Merthyr Tydfil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, James54De said: Free prescriptions; greatly increased grants for students; quicker doctor appointments; etc. I live in cardiff. Not got planning permission yet, nor even Business case agreements. This has also been in the works since ~2007. Even if everything goes swimmingly from now it’s been accepted it won’t be open till at least 2025. Plus, the Motorpoint is almost certainly being knocked down rather soon. Who's clueless now? It’s not going to be demolished before the proposed Bay arena is built though. Wouldn’t have thought Live Nation would allow it without massive recompense. It’s got acts booked through 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 25/10/2021 at 19:38, Lanterne Rouge said: Were you returning to the beach where you hatched? Hatched, damn dangerous trip after; absolute life or death 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 25/10/2021 at 17:15, elhombrecito said: Not sure what Jubilee has to do with anything... Hengrove Leisure Centre has a 50m pool... When I googled "South Bristol Pool" the information giving the size was listed. Unfortunately, that information referred to the Jubilee pool, not the One at the Hengrove Sports centre, which I thought was called the South Bristol Pool, as that is what it was called initially. Jubilee has always been known as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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