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4 minutes ago, lenred said:

Doctors can’t support their local football team then? Ok. 

My point is that it takes 7 years to train as a doctor and that's after you've earned a medical degree. Then they become junior doctors and work exceptionally long hours as part of their training. After that they specialise in a particular field of medicine. Some become GP's or whatever speciality they want to work in.

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3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

My point is that it takes 7 years to train as a doctor and that's after you've earned a medical degree. Then they become junior doctors and work exceptionally long hours as part of their training. After that they specialise in a particular field of medicine. Some become GP's or whatever speciality they want to work in.

Thank you for the lesson, who knew becoming a doctor was so involved?!! 

 Still don’t see how in your opinion that precludes them from attending sporting events however.  It doesn’t.   Anyway, let’s get back on track. 

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19 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

3m is close. I’d say in the 4-4.5m range may see him go. You have to value him as a LB and Douglas and Cunnigham have set the market. Joe is younger but has less than 12 months left on his deal. Reality is as crazy as some transfer fees have been, the market settles after each window closes. The LB market is not rife with large fees this summer. There are younger and better LBs going across Europe for 10-12m euros and we are valuing Joe at around 8-9(on OTIB) being 3-4 years older, never playing higher than championship and less than a year left. We won’t get 6-7m and if we do not accept 4 or so then we probably won’t get a return on him. 

One big difference is that Joe is possibly a better wide left midfielder than full back. 

Versatility in his case could up the price. 

PS. As a wide left  midfield with a full back like MacAllister behind him, he'd be seen as a very good player. Bit vulnerable at left back with mistakes magnified. 

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8 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

why?, he's for filled the contract he has signed

As I said, IF the club have offered him reasonable terms and he has turned it down  in order to run the contract down then some/many fans will see that as sh1tting on his boyhood club who have developed him.......that's football.

Conversely, if the club have not offered him a contract or an unreasonable one, then the contract will run down naturally and he can do as he pleases. Its up to the club then to get the best price for him now

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5 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

One big difference is that Joe is possibly a better wide left midfielder than full back. 

Versatility in his case could up the price. 

PS. As a wide left  midfield with a full back like MacAllister behind him, he'd be seen as a very good player. Bit vulnerable at left back with mistakes magnified. 

Even wingers are not going for huge money. McClean 4.5m, Joozefoon under 3m, Marshall 1.5m and Watkins 1m. Only big fee I could find was Ince for about 10m but that is from a prem club a year after a similar size move. Most of those only 2 years or so older than JB too. 

 

22 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I'd be very disappointed if JB went for less that £8m. In today's market you don't get much for around £5m. Average players go for that kind of money and Bryan is about average imv.

See above. I’d say average to above average players there all well less than JB and that is rated as a winger. Then LB we have around 4m for Douglas and Cunnigham. One from the best team in the division last season and one who has gone to a premier league club. I don’t think clubs see value in JB at more than 5m. Think 5m is top end and we are right to hold out for it but the window is closing soon and we do risk getting nothing or limited in Jan. 

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7 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

As I said, IF the club have offered him reasonable terms and he has turned it down  in order to run the contract down then some/many fans will see that as sh1tting on his boyhood club who have developed him.......that's football.

Conversely, if the club have not offered him a contract or an unreasonable one, then the contract will run down naturally and he can do as he pleases. Its up to the club then to get the best price for him now

But still it's his career and his decision on what he wants to do.

Some people are making him out to be some money grabbing mercenary which from seeing any interviews he's done and from following him on Twitter he doesn't come across as that type of person at all.

He's getting to the age now where he should be at his prime so who can't forgive him wanting to leave and go somewhere else and get to the promised land of the Prem. Signing a new contract could hinder those chances

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1 hour ago, lenred said:

Imho there’s a very very big difference in that Joe is a Bristol boy, City fan, has been here for years and has outside ties with the club (his father operating on GJ for instance).  He may feel that he has been let down contract offer wise thus far, who knows, but to say he’s going to do a Maynard is way off at the moment. The Derby bid is the first actual bid we’ve had. Let’s give him a chance before tarring him with the same brush as Maynard the mercenary. 

Can we settle for half a Maynard at the moment, with the upgrade to a full Maynard as optional. 

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1 minute ago, Show Me The Money! said:

But still it's his career and his decision on what he wants to do.

Some people are making him out to be some money grabbing mercenary which from seeing any interviews he's done and from following him on Twitter he doesn't come across as that type of person at all.

He's getting to the age now where he should be at his prime so who can't forgive him wanting to leave and go somewhere else and get to the promised land of the Prem. Signing a new contract could hinder those chances

Think people think just because he comes across as intelligent that the money may not be as important. Think that is bs. The money is important to almost anyone. He has grown up well off but his career can set his and his future family’s life up for a good while. Don’t know many people who would turn their head to a 1.5m signing on fee and doubling wages. All he has to do is go another 9 months on just his 10k a month. 

I am sure he has other comsiderations than money but that will, like always, play a large part. 

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38 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I'd be very disappointed if JB went for less that £8m. In today's market you don't get much for around £5m. Average players go for that kind of money and Bryan is about average imv.

Then you’re going to have to prepare yourself to be very disappointed! 

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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

 :facepalm:.........'exceptionally long hours'...............:disapointed2se:

Jeez, you really don’t get it do you? Your point in the first place was completely hypothetical anyway yet you continue on. Ok you win, you’re right, no doctors ever watch any sport or support a team due to the ‘exceptionally long hours’ that they work.....

Anyway, like I said, back on topic. 

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3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

My point is that it takes 7 years to train as a doctor and that's after you've earned a medical degree. Then they become junior doctors and work exceptionally long hours as part of their training. After that they specialise in a particular field of medicine. Some become GP's or whatever speciality they want to work in.

Many GP's do not want to spend their out of work hours, or socialise, in areas where many of their patients may be - e.g. a football ground.

The executive boxes may have helped but wandering around the concourse bumping into patients, being seen shouting, and jumping up and down when a goal goes in etc?

Very rare/unlikely imo. For whatever reason - mostly to do with maintaining the revered position they hold in the community imo. - many GP's would not see being a passionate match attending football fan as being compatible with their job.

The same would apply to quite a few other professions.

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5 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Think people think just because he comes across as intelligent that the money may not be as important. Think that is bs. The money is important to almost anyone. He has grown up well off but his career can set his and his future family’s life up for a good while. Don’t know many people who would turn their head to a 1.5m signing on fee and doubling wages. All he has to do is go another 9 months on just his 10k a month. 

I am sure he has other comsiderations than money but that will, like always, play a large part. 

Not saying it wouldn't but it isn't always just about money. Surely pretty much all players want to play the highest standard they can and test themselves amongst the best. The money is the bonus of that success.

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16 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

But still it's his career and his decision on what he wants to do.

That can be said for all players but that doesn't stop many football fans turning on players when these sorts of scenarios pan out.

Some people are making him out to be some money grabbing mercenary which from seeing any interviews he's done and from following him on Twitter he doesn't come across as that type of person at all.

I agree, I am not suggesting otherwise but many football fans  turn on players regardless of their personality, likeability and off-pitch activities

He's getting to the age now where he should be at his prime so who can't forgive him wanting to leave and go somewhere else and get to the promised land of the Prem. Signing a new contract could hinder those chances

Taking Joe's side of the equation (or more likely his agent), of course he wants the best for himself. The same as many fans want the best for their club.

The best scenario here would be akin to how the Flint scenario panned out.......sign a new improved contract with a nice wedge that includes a release clause, play your heart out for yourself and the club and the offers will come in. You get your big money move and the club get some recompense for the years of development 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Robbored said:

My point is that it takes 7 years to train as a doctor and that's after you've earned a medical degree. Then they become junior doctors and work exceptionally long hours as part of their training. After that they specialise in a particular field of medicine. Some become GP's or whatever speciality they want to work in.

I worked at Frenchay and my sister at Southmead, we both knew a certain ortho surgeon Dr Jonathan Webb who combined life as a junior doctor and an international rugby player quite successfully. Things have changed but there are other sports a Jr. Doc could still pursue whilst still carrying out his medical duties.

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1 minute ago, numbeast said:

I worked at Frenchay and my sister at Southmead, we both knew a certain ortho surgeon Dr Jonathan Webb who combined life as a junior doctor and an international rugby player quite successfully. Things have changed but there are other sports a Jr. Doc could still pursue whilst still carrying out his medical duties.

He saved my mums life many years ago bless him at Musgrove in Taunton. Jamie Roberts another that springs to mind who manages to study to become a doctor whilst playing professionally.  I also know a high ranking doctor who watches the rugby regularly. 

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57 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

3m is close. I’d say in the 4-4.5m range may see him go. You have to value him as a LB and Douglas and Cunnigham have set the market. Joe is younger but has less than 12 months left on his deal. Reality is as crazy as some transfer fees have been, the market settles after each window closes. The LB market is not rife with large fees this summer. There are younger and better LBs going across Europe for 10-12m euros and we are valuing Joe at around 8-9(on OTIB) being 3-4 years older, never playing higher than championship and less than a year left. We won’t get 6-7m and if we do not accept 4 or so then we probably won’t get a return on him. 

For me Douglas is not a great left back, he only came into his own when Wolves switched to wing backs. It will be interesting to see how he gets on at Leeds and if they change there system to wing backs.

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15 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Think people think just because he comes across as intelligent that the money may not be as important. Think that is bs. The money is important to almost anyone. He has grown up well off but his career can set his and his future family’s life up for a good while. Don’t know many people who would turn their head to a 1.5m signing on fee and doubling wages. All he has to do is go another 9 months on just his 10k a month. 

I am sure he has other comsiderations than money but that will, like always, play a large part. 

not to me

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13 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Think people think just because he comes across as intelligent that the money may not be as important. Think that is bs. The money is important to almost anyone. He has grown up well off but his career can set his and his future family’s life up for a good while. Don’t know many people who would turn their head to a 1.5m signing on fee and doubling wages. All he has to do is go another 9 months on just his 10k a month. 

I am sure he has other comsiderations than money but that will, like always, play a large part. 

I don't necessarily believe in this myself, but I think there's slightly different expectations of former academy players.

The idea is that you'd hope an academy player would show loyalty to the club that's nurtured and developed him if he's going to leave, by either leaving with at least a year left or signing a contract with a release clause. You'd hope an academy player wouldn't just let their contract wind down in the same way any other player might.

The mood seems to be resigned to him leaving, and I think almost everyone seems to understand that he might want to further his career elsewhere. It would taint his legacy significantly if he let his contract wind down and left on a free.

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10 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Many GP's do not want to spend their out of work hours, or socialise, in areas where many of their patients may be - e.g. a football ground.

The executive boxes may have helped but wandering around the concourse bumping into patients, being seen shouting, and jumping up and down when a goal goes in etc?

Very rare/unlikely imo. For whatever reason - mostly to do with maintaining the revered position they hold in the community imo. - many GP's would not see being a passionate match attending football fan as being compatible with their job.

The same would apply to quite a few other professions.

Yep, lost on Lenred unfortunately........

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11 minutes ago, numbeast said:

I worked at Frenchay and my sister at Southmead, we both knew a certain ortho surgeon Dr Jonathan Webb who combined life as a junior doctor and an international rugby player quite successfully. Things have changed but there are other sports a Jr. Doc could still pursue whilst still carrying out his medical duties.

And JPR Williams is another doctor - but as you say things have changed. Back then it was possible to do both.

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13 minutes ago, numbeast said:

I worked at Frenchay and my sister at Southmead, we both knew a certain ortho surgeon Dr Jonathan Webb who combined life as a junior doctor and an international rugby player quite successfully. Things have changed but there are other sports a Jr. Doc could still pursue whilst still carrying out his medical duties.

I was in Southmead for an op when I was a kid on the Monday after the 1991 World Cup Final which he'd played in for England 2 days earlier. Sure enough, he was back on duty and doing his rounds on the ward.

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15 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Taking Joe's side of the equation (or more likely his agent), of course he wants the best for himself. The same as many fans want the best for their club.

The best scenario here would be akin to how the Flint scenario panned out.......sign a new improved contract with a nice wedge that includes a release clause, play your heart out for yourself and the club and the offers will come in. You get your big money move and the club get some recompense for the years of development 

 

 

Who's to say if, when the transfer window closes, he hasn't left that he won't sign a contract just like that. We don't know what has been offered and what has been discussed

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2 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

Who's to say if, when the transfer window closes, he hasn't left that he won't sign a contract just like that. We don't know what has been offered and what has been discussed

Maybe he will. I was purely playing devils advocate that for as long as this rumbles on, some/many fans will just see this as a run down of his contract which means 'sweet fanny adams' for the club

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1 hour ago, devoncider said:

A Bristol boy yes, a City fan? I wonder..

If he were not very gifted and a pro footballer would we see him at AG?

By being good enough to start on the journey to being a pro from childhood sacrifices are made. When City play these boys will frequently be training and playing, it is part of the sacrifice, the commitment to a childhood that is exceptional due to the demands they will face. Lads at the academy are fans, but they cannot be fans in the manner supporters support the club because their motivation is to be a professional footballer.

Its a silly and loaded question. To answer it the player would have to fail. 

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