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Joe Bryan - Signed for Fulham CONFIRMED

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23 minutes ago, Taz said:

Ok, if this sudden "Bryan to Cardiff" thing is true, then to be fair he gets a year in the Premiership - same as Bobby. He also could probably commute to Cardiff without moving house - same as Bobby. If we get a decent fee, then fair enough - whoever it is. It makes sense for him to make the move (thinking from his viewpoint).

Fact is, Bryan isn't heading into his last year, so if they do want him, then it's going to cost more than Bobby. Not bad business.

The thing that interests me more about the whole Cardiff situation - Cunningham, Bobby, and potentially Joe - it looks like they're trying to build a strong Championship team ready for the following year after being relegated at the end of this coming season.....

Joe’s contract is up summer 19, just like Bobby’s.

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Don't know why you think he doesn't love football. I can't see us getting bobby sort of money if joe goes to Cardiff. 4 million they bought Cunningham for so much more than that I expect. 

Not a dig at him. Just the impression I get. He doesn’t seem to have that passion for the game that I sense a lot of pros have. Maybe it’s just his quiet nature!

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4 hours ago, ScottishRed said:

Why? IF this true and I have my doubts, it's a step up tp the PL and all that brings.

Its a job for any player and as many have said on here previously, if someone offers you a x4 or more wage increase to move to a competitor very few are not going to take it, in any walk of life.

Aden and Bobby left because they thought it was a forward step in their career and......it is!

Joe is likely to be the same before the month is out whether that be Cardiff or someone else.

 

To be honest I don''t give a toss if he goes to Scumdiff... If they're willing to pay good dosh for him then fair play..Not really that bothered where he goes

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33 minutes ago, Red Rag said:

Why should us as suppoters of BCCF care where he goes, if he wants out get shot of. Players have no loyalty why should we. Next please.

Who are this BCCF and are they better to support than BCFC?

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1 hour ago, kevthered said:

To be honest I don''t give a toss if he goes to Scumdiff... If they're willing to pay good dosh for him then fair play..Not really that bothered where he goes

Lime BR, it's better he goes to Cardiff than one of our EFL rivals .

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2 hours ago, Taz said:

Ok, if this sudden "Bryan to Cardiff" thing is true, then to be fair he gets a year in the Premiership - same as Bobby. He also could probably commute to Cardiff without moving house - same as Bobby. If we get a decent fee, then fair enough - whoever it is. It makes sense for him to make the move (thinking from his viewpoint).

Fact is, Bryan isn't heading into his last year, so if they do want him, then it's going to cost more than Bobby. Not bad business.

The thing that interests me more about the whole Cardiff situation - Cunningham, Bobby, and potentially Joe - it looks like they're trying to build a strong Championship team ready for the following year after being relegated at the end of this coming season.....

You may be right and in some ways it makes sense.

They will however be £100m richer which makes a promotion bid the following season somewhat easier.

Some on here go on about how we cannot compete with the 'big' clubs in this league - if Cardiff do get relegated after one season, and they probably will, they can be added to the big club list, at least in terms of finance.

And that list will continue to grow, sadly it looks like our name will never be on it.

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3 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Don't know why you think he doesn't love football. I can't see us getting bobby sort of money if joe goes to Cardiff. 4 million they bought Cunningham for so much more than that I expect. 

£4m ! Really.

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Joe’s contract is up summer 19, just like Bobby’s.

So it is, I thought that he had at least another year on top of Reid for some reason - my mistake!! :facepalm::disapointed2se:

Everything else I previously said then, with the exception of that bit, stands though. Same again then!!

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Not sure if it has been mentioned (apologies if so) but Everton were set to bid £25m for Celtic’s left back recently, I think it hasn’t progressed though - but goes to show what a prem club will pay for a young-ish full back who can push on in a game.....

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/16324607.with-everton-set-to-submit-25m-bid-for-kieran-tierney-celtic-manager-brendan-rodgers-says-it-will-be-hard-to-keep-him/

 

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14 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Not sure if it has been mentioned (apologies if so) but Everton were set to bid £25m for Celtic’s left back recently, I think it hasn’t progressed though - but goes to show what a prem club will pay for a young-ish full back who can push on in a game.....

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/16324607.with-everton-set-to-submit-25m-bid-for-kieran-tierney-celtic-manager-brendan-rodgers-says-it-will-be-hard-to-keep-him/

 

True but he does have Champions League experience and international caps, one as captain.

If we got a third of that for JB we'd have done very nicely, imo.

 

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25 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

True but he does have Champions League experience and international caps, one as captain.

If we got a third of that for JB we'd have done very nicely, imo.

 

Only a year left on his contract.

I'd suggest that anyone who buys Joe will be buying a midfielder with a great left foot, potentially a player who can get goals from an advanced position.

Here's hoping LJ plays him in midfield if he stays, he'll excel there.

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On 07/07/2018 at 00:06, ScottishRed said:

You may be right and in some ways it makes sense.

They will however be £100m richer which makes a promotion bid the following season somewhat easier.

Some on here go on about how we cannot compete with the 'big' clubs in this league - if Cardiff do get relegated after one season, and they probably will, they can be added to the big club list, at least in terms of finance.

And that list will continue to grow, sadly it looks like our name will never be on it.

No it won't.

It will always stay around the same size.

Parachute payments don't last forever, they last 3 seasons- unless a club is relegated in their first season up, then they only get 2 years.

 

So at a maximum there will be 9 teams with parachute payments, the list cannot be more than that

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10 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

No it won't.

It will always stay around the same size.

Parachute payments don't last forever, they last 3 seasons- unless a club is relegated in their first season up, then they only get 2 years.

 

So at a maximum there will be 9 teams with parachute payments, the list cannot be more than that

If Sunderland come straight back up next season they will presumably still get a 3rd year parachute payment, so it presumably could be more than 9?

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23 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

If Sunderland come straight back up next season they will presumably still get a 3rd year parachute payment, so it presumably could be more than 9?

No, because there isn't a club in the league getting Sunderlands parachute payment.

Next year it is: Norwich, Villa, Stoke, Swansea, West Brom, Hull and Boro.

If Sunderland got promoted then the season after would be (at a maximum): Hull, Boro, Sunderland, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea, plus 3 relegated sides.

 

Norwich and Villa are in their final year of their parachute payments, so wouldn't be in that list.

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2 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

No, because there isn't a club in the league getting Sunderlands parachute payment.

Next year it is: Norwich, Villa, Stoke, Swansea, West Brom, Hull and Boro.

If Sunderland got promoted then the season after would be (at a maximum): Hull, Boro, Sunderland, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea, plus 3 relegated sides.

 

Norwich and Villa are in their final year of their parachute payments, so wouldn't be in that list.

Hull and boro only got this year as they were only 1 season wonders when they got relegated last. Or has the 2 year parachute payments only been in effect since then?

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1 minute ago, pride of the west said:

Hull and boro only got this year as they were only 1 season wonders when they got relegated last. Or has the 2 year parachute payments only been in effect since then?

I'm not entirely sure when the 2 year thing came in to play.

Didnt check if any of the current lot were only getting the 2 years.

If that's right then 19-20 could be the season with the best opportunity, with a maximum of 7 sides having parachute payments (3 relegated, Stoke, Swansea, West Brom, and Sunderland if they get promoted), or a minimum of just 3 sides (if Sunderland don't come up, and Stoke, Swansea and West Brom all get promoted then it would be just the 3 relegated sides from this coming season.

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3 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

No it won't.

It will always stay around the same size.

Parachute payments don't last forever, they last 3 seasons- unless a club is relegated in their first season up, then they only get 2 years.

 

So at a maximum there will be 9 teams with parachute payments, the list cannot be more than that

Never heard of the 2 year rule....when did that come in?

Here we go;

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/premier-league-parachute-payment/

 

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Never heard of the 2 year rule....when did that come in?

I never heard of it until earlier, when I did a search to check it was 3 years now as standard, not 4 as it used to be, and found this.

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Promoted clubs who are relegated after a single year in the Premier League will no longer benefit from full parachute payments from the 2016-17 season. ... Clubs who go back down after a single year in the Premier League will get only the first two yearsof payments rather than the full three years.

From a Guardian article in June 2015.

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5 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

True but he does have Champions League experience and international caps, one as captain.

If we got a third of that for JB we'd have done very nicely, imo.

 

Yep he does, but he’s played well less than 100 league games and so many on here dismiss Scottish football as ‘pub football’ or ‘Sunday league’ standard (I disagree strongly by the way) that a £25m player can’t possibly exist up there can he?!

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On 06/07/2018 at 21:55, Taz said:

Ok, if this sudden "Bryan to Cardiff" thing is true, then to be fair he gets a year in the Premiership - same as Bobby. He also could probably commute to Cardiff without moving house - same as Bobby. If we get a decent fee, then fair enough - whoever it is. It makes sense for him to make the move (thinking from his viewpoint).

Fact is, Bryan isn't heading into his last year, so if they do want him, then it's going to cost more than Bobby. Not bad business.

The thing that interests me more about the whole Cardiff situation - Cunningham, Bobby, and potentially Joe - it looks like they're trying to build a strong Championship team ready for the following year after being relegated at the end of this coming season.....

Bobby has moved to Cardiff, but there staying in a hotel atm until they fined a place they like. 

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1 hour ago, JoeUTC said:

Bobby has moved to Cardiff, but there staying in a hotel atm until they fined a place they like. 

Sorry, it was all hypothetical. Technically he/they could commute if they wanted to, and didn't fancy the hassle of moving.

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6 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

No it won't.

It will always stay around the same size.

Parachute payments don't last forever, they last 3 seasons- unless a club is relegated in their first season up, then they only get 2 years.

 

So at a maximum there will be 9 teams with parachute payments, the list cannot be more than that

There is one huge flaw in that argument - yes, the payments will have stopped, but they will not nessacarily have spent all of it SO they can still invest at a level the ‘rest’ can’t.

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8 hours ago, Taz said:

Sorry, it was all hypothetical. Technically he/they could commute if they wanted to, and didn't fancy the hassle of moving.

And they’re doing away with the toll charges. Quids in!

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12 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

So if true then surely we negotiate more than 6.

Tbh he isn’t worth 6 as a LB. They tend not to go for big money. Have a look at the top LB transfers this summer. They aren’t big numbers now factor in his contract. 6m would be a blessing. At best you call him a wide midfielder and then 6m sounds about right just about 

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11 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Tbh he isn’t worth 6 as a LB. They tend not to go for big money. Have a look at the top LB transfers this summer. They aren’t big numbers now factor in his contract. 6m would be a blessing. At best you call him a wide midfielder and then 6m sounds about right just about 

Call him a goalie and give him girls name and we could get £60m for him!

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6 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Tbh he isn’t worth 6 as a LB. They tend not to go for big money. Have a look at the top LB transfers this summer. They aren’t big numbers now factor in his contract. 6m would be a blessing. At best you call him a wide midfielder and then 6m sounds about right just about 

I reckon they will be after him in a different position. They seem ok at left back. If their opening offer is 6 million, then surely that's not their one and only offer. 

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1 minute ago, JonDolman said:

I reckon they will be after him in a different position. They seem ok at left back. If their opening offer is 6 million, then surely that's not their one and only offer. 

Idk. Just basing it off the LB market of this summer. He is 25(or will be this season), year left on his deal and an inconsitent LN with no experience outside the championship. If we described that LB on here as a potential target we’d be underwhelmed.

Newcastle also is skint. Not signing many unless they sell. Rumours Ashley is promising funds if Rafa signs a new 3 year deal or only gets funds from sales. About 2.5 weeks left it market so me thinks Newcastle not spending much. Also they need a striker more than anything. Maybe JB is a target if Ritchie goes but doubt first choice. 

8 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Call him a goalie and give him girls name and we could get £60m for him!

Idk. Is he 60m because he has a girls name? Or because he is a Brazilian who has two names(Alisson Becker)?

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Only trouble is Newcastle have chuff all money as Mike Ashley is as tight as a ducks arse.  Wouldn't begrudge JB the move, but I don't think a move there would pay what we want for him. 

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On 09/07/2018 at 16:08, JamesBCFC said:

No, because there isn't a club in the league getting Sunderlands parachute payment.

 Next year it is: Norwich, Villa, Stoke, Swansea, West Brom, Hull and Boro.

If Sunderland got promoted then the season after would be (at a maximum): Hull, Boro, Sunderland, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea, plus 3 relegated sides.

  

 Norwich and Villa are in their final year of their parachute payments, so wouldn't be in that list.

Think Norwich only got 16/17 and 17/18 didn't they, given up then down again?

Villa had a long tenure so this year would be their final one I think- about £13m or thereabouts.

Bryan? I'd be loathe to sell him so close to the season, final year of contract or not. For me he should go to Newcastle (or any other PL side not Cardiff) or stay put- selling him to a Championship rival...:no:

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33 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I reckon they will be after him in a different position. They seem ok at left back. If their opening offer is 6 million, then surely that's not their one and only offer. 

Stoke are after Matt Ritchie which may be relevant

Reported to have offered £11.5 million but Newcastle want 15m (Which I suggest makes JB worth more than the 2/3/4 million that some suggest

The same article does though suggest that they want the money from Ritchie to finance the repurchase of Andre Townsend

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1 hour ago, ciderrider said:

Only trouble is Newcastle have chuff all money as Mike Ashley is as tight as a ducks arse.  Wouldn't begrudge JB the move, but I don't think a move there would pay what we want for him. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/20/newcastle-impasse-benitez-ashley-waiting-game-signings

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2 hours ago, ciderrider said:

Only trouble is Newcastle have chuff all money as Mike Ashley is as tight as a ducks arse.  Wouldn't begrudge JB the move, but I don't think a move there would pay what we want for him. 

Ashley has spent over £100m on buying players in the last two seasons....

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2 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

About 2.5 weeks left it market so me thinks Newcastle not spending much. Also they need a striker more than anything. Maybe JB is a target if Ritchie goes but doubt first choice....

 

1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Stoke are after Matt Ritchie which may be relevant...

I thought Matt Ritchie played wide on the right for Newcastle? Not sure that’s Joe Bryan’s strength? I may be incorrect though...

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20 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

 

I thought Matt Ritchie played wide on the right for Newcastle? Not sure that’s Joe Bryan’s strength? I may be incorrect though...

He’s left footed BS4 but you may be right about him playing RHS

 

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Would be a fantastic move for him . Huge club. Fair play to him if he gets the move . Rafa Benitez is a top manager. 

Joe Bryan playing for Newcastle in the premiership in front of 52000 . Stuff of dreams. 10 million I reckon 

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5 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

 

I thought Matt Ritchie played wide on the right for Newcastle? Not sure that’s Joe Bryan’s strength? I may be incorrect though...

I reckon Joe would be good on the right cutting inside and shooting with that left foot. Pretty both footed as well so could cross with his right. 

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

I reckon Joe would be good on the right cutting inside and shooting with that left foot. Pretty both footed as well so could cross with his right. 

Nothing like playing someone completely out of position. Defenders will just keep him on his right...pretty obvious really.

Did you suggest that to LJ for Eliasson? 

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6 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

 

I thought Matt Ritchie played wide on the right for Newcastle? Not sure that’s Joe Bryan’s strength? I may be incorrect though...

I only meant that he could be bought to fill a wing void if Ritchie went. Not really a direct replacement as the have Kenedy already there

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9 minutes ago, core321 said:

Nothing like playing someone completely out of position. Defenders will just keep him on his right...pretty obvious really.

Did you suggest that to LJ for Eliasson? 

Yeah cuz no left midielder has ever been moved to the right have they. It's basically the same position in terms of what positions to take up. It's just the other side of the pitch. What is Joe's best position in your opinion?

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