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SecretSam

JT promotion clause...

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10 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

I dont see an issue with it. He's a Chelsea legend, over 700 games for them and doesn't want to play against them - fair enough imv. 

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8 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

He's a d1ck

I have spoken

I tend to share your view on JT in general, but I can sort of sympathise with his feelings concerning playing against Chelsea.

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No problem for me....Chris Waddle denies he had a similar clause in his contracts, as a Sunderland fan he didn’t want to play against them....but it’s funny that he was injured every time his team was due to play them...!

If I was a top flight manager I’d need to know if a player feels he cannot give 100% against one opponent - having said that, I’d insist he forfeits his week’s wages each time for missing those games and gives the dosh to a local charity....

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It’s absolute nonsense to be honest. Not prepared to play a particular opponent?

Then don’t sign for a club that they may have fixtures against. 

****. 

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If they go up then hopefully at least one of the Villa-Chelsea games is scheduled towards the back end of the season, with the chance of something big being at stake.

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Our players have similar clauses.

They don't play against any opposition teams for half a season.

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6 hours ago, Roger Red Hat said:

JT's a 37 year old phuckwit.

Bruce reckons he's a great professional, but he can't play against his previous club?  

WTF?

Contrary to popular belief John Terry is supposed to be a very very good pro and is well respected and liked (not sure Wayne bridge or Ferdinand would agree however)

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Imagine Villa winning tomorrow, then needing a result v Chelsea on the last game next season to stay up (and Chelsea a win to get in the top 4)........

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12 minutes ago, Scrumpty said:

Absolute legend showing loyalty. Had Louis Carey done this when he went to Reading, we’d be bowing at his feet.

You mean Coventry, but I get what you mean. Let me ask you this, would you say the same if Taylor said he couldn’t play against the Gas? Just a thought! COYR 

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Just now, EmissionImpossible said:

It would be amusing to see what happened if Aston Villa and Chelsea reached a cup final next season.......

He would play for Villa, but collect the trophy in a Chelsea kit? COYR 

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He is an absolute bellend, if you can't be professional then f@ck off to another league, just remember the way Frank Lampard dealt with the same issue.

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22 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

It would be amusing to see what happened if Aston Villa and Chelsea reached a cup final next season.......

Or last game of the season Villa play Chelsea at home and need to avoid defeat to stay up. Injuries mean they would need to play an Academy Centre Back unless JT plays.

He wouldnt be a good pro if he avoided the match then.

To be fair if both parties are happy with it then fine. I think he may get shown up by other teams though as regardless of how excellent a player he has been, he is old now, hardly featured in his last season at Prem level, and of course always had quality alongside him.

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1 hour ago, Rob k said:

Contrary to popular belief John Terry is supposed to be a very very good pro and is well respected and liked (not sure Wayne bridge or Ferdinand would agree however)

A good pro who is happy to miss 5% or the season for his own personal preference ? 

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Didn't Frank Lampard play for Man city and score against Chelsea? Terry is a knob.

 

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2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

A good pro who is happy to miss 5% or the season for his own personal preference ? 

Christ knows I’ve no desire to defend the racist ephitet-spouting serial blue badge parking space abuser over anything but everyone seems to be ignoring the fact John Terry has NOT actually said anything of the sort.

Steve Bruce has given a hypothetical answer to a question about whether Terry would extend his contract due to his desire not to play Chelsea and said that is what he would do to keep Terry IF he were asked to do so. It does not mean Terry has asked for it or will ask for it. It is complete speculation on Bruce’s part that had bee taken woefully out of context.

In realty I don’t think Premier League rules would allow this in a contract as it would unfairly give an advantage to one team (in that a team is picking a weaker aside against them and nobody else) and, now Bruce has said it, Villa could get fined if they do it. If JT did want this, the more sensible thing all round would be to quietly have him injured for those games as someone mentioned above.

With loan players, there has to be a clause you do not play your parent club to avoid a conflict of interwar but I am near certain it is not permitted for permanent transfers. I remember Man Utd tried to do it when they sold Howard to Everton and were told it was not allowed. So we are speculating on something that John Terry has not asked for and which would probably not be sanctioned anyway.

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8 minutes ago, Super said:

Didn't Frank Lampard play for Man city and score against Chelsea? Terry is a knob.

 

Yes he did.

He went to New York City FC then on loan to Man City as they were out of season i believe. Plus the two are owned by the same group.

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

 

Christ knows I’ve no desire to defend the racist ephitet-spouting serial blue badge parking space abuser over anything but everyone seems to be ignoring the fact John Terry has NOT actually said anything of the sort.

Steve Bruce has given a hypothetical answer to a question about whether Terry would extend his contract due to his desire not to play Chelsea and said that is what he would do to keep Terry IF he were asked to do so. It does not mean Terry has asked for it or will ask for it. It is complete speculation on Bruce’s part that had bee taken woefully out of context.

In realty I don’t think Premier League rules would allow this in a contract as it would unfairly give an advantage to one team (in that a team is picking a weaker aside against them and nobody else) and, now Bruce has said it, Villa could get fined if they do it. If JT did want this, the more sensible thing all round would be to quietly have him injured for those games as someone mentioned above.

With loan players, there has to be a clause you do not play your parent club to avoid a conflict of interwar but I am near certain it is not permitted for permanent transfers. I remember Man Utd tried to do it when they sold Howard to Everton and were told it was not allowed. So we are speculating on something that John Terry has not asked for and which would probably not be sanctioned anyway.

This. I wouldn't put it past JT doing something like this, as he has previous form for cringe worthy "look at me" moments like the full kit champions league celebrations and his personally organised staged 26th minute substitution in his final Chelsea game. I'm no fan of JT, but let's see if it actually happens before having a go.

Iniesta has said he didn't want to play in Europe to avoid playing Barcelona (or was it the new $30 million a year contract?!) and I didn't see much criticism of him?

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2 minutes ago, Dman_Red said:

This. I wouldn't put it past JT doing something like this, as he has previous form for cringe worthy "look at me" moments like the full kit champions league celebrations and his personally organised staged 26th minute substitution in his final Chelsea game. I'm no fan of JT, but let's see if it actually happens before having a go.

Iniesta has said he didn't want to play in Europe to avoid playing Barcelona (or was it the new $30 million a year contract?!) and I didn't see much criticism of him?

Read that while JT might want such a clause, Villa are not prepared to let him have it.

Quite right too - If he's their employee he can't then pick and chose who he plays against.

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Modern footballers can't win.

JT doesn't have the clause - mercenary

JT does have the clause - unprofessional

FFS.

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Out of curiosity, could any of you play against Bristol City competitively as a footballer? Say it was the last game of the season, you’re a decent striker, 93rd minute, 1 on 1 with the keeper knowing if you score you’d send us down.... would you slot it in? 

 

Sounds bad but if that was me i’d deliberately miss. I could play against us but couldn’t send us down. 

 

I can see where Terry is coming from but it’s an absolutely ridiculous decision from him. 

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6 minutes ago, Negan said:

Out of curiosity, could any of you play against Bristol City competitively as a footballer? Say it was the last game of the season, you’re a decent striker, 93rd minute, 1 on 1 with the keeper knowing if you score you’d send us down.... would you slot it in? 

 

Sounds bad but if that was me i’d deliberately miss. I could play against us but couldn’t send us down. 

 

I can see where Terry is coming from but it’s an absolutely ridiculous decision from him. 

I'd spank it in to outer space.

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26 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

Modern footballers can't win.

JT doesn't have the clause - mercenary

JT does have the clause - unprofessional

FFS.

Why would he get caked a mercenary for signing for Villa?! 

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33 minutes ago, Negan said:

Out of curiosity, could any of you play against Bristol City competitively as a footballer? Say it was the last game of the season, you’re a decent striker, 93rd minute, 1 on 1 with the keeper knowing if you score you’d send us down.... would you slot it in? 

 

Sounds bad but if that was me i’d deliberately miss. I could play against us but couldn’t send us down. 

 

I can see where Terry is coming from but it’s an absolutely ridiculous decision from him. 

Bloody right I would then celebrate in style in front of the Dolman.

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54 minutes ago, Negan said:

Out of curiosity, could any of you play against Bristol City competitively as a footballer? Say it was the last game of the season, you’re a decent striker, 93rd minute, 1 on 1 with the keeper knowing if you score you’d send us down.... would you slot it in? 

 

Sounds bad but if that was me i’d deliberately miss. I could play against us but couldn’t send us down. 

 

I can see where Terry is coming from but it’s an absolutely ridiculous decision from him. 

Dennis Law done it for Man City playing against Man Utd although I think it was something like the 80 min

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3 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

 

Christ knows I’ve no desire to defend the racist ephitet-spouting serial blue badge parking space abuser over anything but everyone seems to be ignoring the fact John Terry has NOT actually said anything of the sort.

Steve Bruce has given a hypothetical answer to a question about whether Terry would extend his contract due to his desire not to play Chelsea and said that is what he would do to keep Terry IF he were asked to do so. It does not mean Terry has asked for it or will ask for it. It is complete speculation on Bruce’s part that had bee taken woefully out of context.

In realty I don’t think Premier League rules would allow this in a contract as it would unfairly give an advantage to one team (in that a team is picking a weaker aside against them and nobody else) and, now Bruce has said it, Villa could get fined if they do it. If JT did want this, the more sensible thing all round would be to quietly have him injured for those games as someone mentioned above.

With loan players, there has to be a clause you do not play your parent club to avoid a conflict of interwar but I am near certain it is not permitted for permanent transfers. I remember Man Utd tried to do it when they sold Howard to Everton and were told it was not allowed. So we are speculating on something that John Terry has not asked for and which would probably not be sanctioned anyway.

You mean a situation such as Matty Taylor playing against Rovers and scoring a last minute winner in an end of season match to send them down?

Not that such a scenario would be likely in the near future. 

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If Terry is employed by Villa he should play against whoever he is fit to play against. It's his job.

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7 hours ago, Simon79 said:

You mean Coventry, but I get what you mean. Let me ask you this, would you say the same if Taylor said he couldn’t play against the Gas? Just a thought! COYR 

Taylor isn’t a City legend, so no comparison here.

I simply don’t get the Terry hatred, a lot of which is down to his orchestrated departure from Chelsea. Yes, it was cheesy, but not from Chelsea fans’ perspective, who welcomed the opportunity to see off a true legend.

If the hatred is related to the race incident, then fair enough.

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Im assuming he has offered not to be paid for the two weeks of the Chelsea games.  No I thought not

didnt Dennis law score against Man U to relegate them whilst playing for arch rivals city.  Proper bloke     Work hard for whoever is paying your wages 

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3 hours ago, Scrumpty said:

Taylor isn’t a City legend, so no comparison here.

I simply don’t get the Terry hatred, a lot of which is down to his orchestrated departure from Chelsea. Yes, it was cheesy, but not from Chelsea fans’ perspective, who welcomed the opportunity to see off a true legend.

If the hatred is related to the race incident, then fair enough.

Plenty of reasons. Offending American tourists about 9/11, beating up hotel staff, racist ****, allegedly taking money for training ground visits that should've been used for charity, parking in disabled bays, cheating on his best mate with his wife. And that's before being a full kit ******* :facepalm:  Don't hate him personally as it's a massively strong word but you can see why people really don't like him! 

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The other month Steve Bruce said out of all his signings John Terry was the most astute. His influence in the dressing room and on the pitch has been worth every penny of his contract. Just the type of player City need to target next season as our lack of a leader (as LJ has bemoaned) has probably prevented us taking that final step up., and why Fulham if they fail to win would like in their team. He's earnt  a new deal , and there are ways round him not being picked for games against Chesea . 

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6 hours ago, Robin TBW said:

If Terry is employed by Villa he should play against whoever he is fit to play against. It's his job.

Too obvious to be written into any contract (and probably would be against the spirit of the game and fair play) Suspect he won't be fit for those games or at least will only be on bench , along with another defender who would be first choice substitute if the need arose.  

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3 hours ago, Scrumpty said:

Taylor isn’t a City legend, so no comparison here.

I simply don’t get the Terry hatred, a lot of which is down to his orchestrated departure from Chelsea. Yes, it was cheesy, but not from Chelsea fans’ perspective, who welcomed the opportunity to see off a true legend.

If the hatred is related to the race incident, then fair enough.

Firstly, I don’t hate him or anyone I’ve come across. But as @lenred has pointed out, there are plenty of reasons to not want your daughter to turn up with him! As for the substitution in his last game, do it on 89 minuets like most people do. The 26 minuets thing, is a bit too much for me. My point with regards the Taylor comment, Is about trying to look at it from a different point of view ( a Villa fans if you like ). And yes, Taylor is no more a City legend than Terry is a Villa legend! COYR 

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Brilliant player one of best defenders I have seen, but this is pathetic you get paid to do a job regardless of who you play...some of those greats who are no longer with us must be wincing In their graves

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9 hours ago, Negan said:

Out of curiosity, could any of you play against Bristol City competitively as a footballer? Say it was the last game of the season, you’re a decent striker, 93rd minute, 1 on 1 with the keeper knowing if you score you’d send us down.... would you slot it in? 

 

Sounds bad but if that was me i’d deliberately miss. I could play against us but couldn’t send us down. 

 

I can see where Terry is coming from but it’s an absolutely ridiculous decision from him. 

I would score, wonder where the defense was as they would have had 20 minutes to catch me up.

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Staggered at the ones saying what loyalty etc, yes fair enough it’s his boyhood team who’s seen as a legend by their supporters, but he signed a contract to play for Aston Villa whoever that may be against and for Villa to even think about putting this clause into his contract is a joke and they are just as bad as him. What must his team mates think of it? £80k a week or whatever it is but can’t or won’t play against his former club because it would be emotional :facepalm:

Some footballers need to grow a pair nowadays.

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