MC RISK77 Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Discuss? depending on whether Shrewsbury or Rotherham go up? my view is stronger with 3 strongly established prem teams coming down...burton gone Barnsley gone. lools on paper harder than ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said: Discuss? depending on whether Shrewsbury or Rotherham go up? my view is stronger with 3 strongly established prem teams coming down...burton gone Barnsley gone. lools on paper harder than ever I think on paper it will be. Blackburn & Wigan should be stronger than Barnsley & Sunderland. Shrews or Rotherham will be a bit like Burton. We`ve lost Wolves, Cardiff & Fulham but gained Swansea, Baggies and Stoke - marginally a bit weaker than the three that went up but not by much IMO. It really depends how many (if any) of the relegated clubs prove to be in freefall like Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123red1 Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Think it's about the same. Wolves / Fulham going up, is kind of replaced by Stoke and Swansea coming down. Wigan and Blackburn in my opinion no stronger than 2 of the teams going down. The difference is a couple of teams next year are on final parachute payments so will really go for it in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Looks stronger to me. Doubt that Blackburn & Wigan will repeat their mistakes from last time & think Stoke & West Brom will make a better job of challenging than Hull or (obviously) Sunderland did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 46 minutes ago, 123red1 said: Think it's about the same. Wolves / Fulham going up, is kind of replaced by Stoke and Swansea coming down. Wigan and Blackburn in my opinion no stronger than 2 of the teams going down. The difference is a couple of teams next year are on final parachute payments so will really go for it in the summer. Villa & Norwich are with Hull & Boro in their second season of three. With the three coming down that`s seven with parachute payments next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 In theory , having stuck with a manager for 2 1/2 years and allowed him to build a squad and system we should be in a strong position to negate this ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 It`s all the unknowns that you have to factor in too. Will Reading & Brum be shite again? Will Blades & Millwall perform as well again? Will the likes of Wednesday & Forest get it together? The one I think will do well next season is Leeds. They finally seem to have stopped being the car crash of a club they`ve been for years and I think this might be their season. My opinion, FWIW, is something like this; Top 8 (in no particular order) Baggies, Stoke, Villa, Boro, Swansea, Leeds, Brentford, Hull Mid table 8 Norwich, Us, Wednesday, Blackburn, Blades, Derby, Brum, PNE Bottom 8 Wigan, Shrews/Rotherham, Reading, Bolton, QPR, Ipswich, Millwall, Forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 No threats coming up from League One and no big teams coming down compared to say Villa Newcastle West Ham in recent history. But annoying that a load of well resourced teams failed to go up like Villa Boro etc. About the same I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Personally don't think the teams coming down will be that strong, all will lose a good amount of their squad so unless they recruit well I'm not sure any will be challenging for the title straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: It`s all the unknowns that you have to factor in too. Will Reading & Brum be shite again? Will Blades & Millwall perform as well again? Will the likes of Wednesday & Forest get it together? The one I think will do well next season is Leeds. They finally seem to have stopped being the car crash of a club they`ve been for years and I think this might be their season. My opinion, FWIW, is something like this; Top 8 (in no particular order) Baggies, Stoke, Villa, Boro, Swansea, Leeds, Brentford, Hull Mid table 8 Norwich, Us, Wednesday, Blackburn, Blades, Derby, Brum, PNE Bottom 8 Wigan, Shrews/Rotherham, Reading, Bolton, QPR, Ipswich, Millwall, Forest Think Villa might struggle as they could lose a few players to the prem. Also their financial issues with fair play may mean having to sell some players. Could see them in free fall if they don't get a good start next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 I think those coming up make it stronger but those coming down are weaker. Blackburn & Wigan will be vastly better than any of the 3 relegated, Burton, Barnsley & Sunderland. In Wolves & Fulham we’re losing 2 of the best teams this division has seen for years. Of the relegated Prem teams, West Brom will be up there and look the best ones capable of bouncing straight back up. Stoke & Swansea have squads which I have absolutely no time for. They are not strong at all, and their strongest players (such as Shaqiri & Butland) will be gone. Overall, 2 decent teams coming up, but neither will be top 10. 1 decent team coming down. The other 2 will not be top 6. But. Sheff Weds will be better. Leeds will be better. Villa will be up there. Derby should do better. Boro will be better. Norwich ought to be better. Reading might be a bit better. Forest should improve. Brum should improve. I don’t think it’s those teams joining the league we need be too concerned of, but improvements to those already here. Edit. Forgot, Hull & Brentford will also be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Whilst in the scheme of the division Cardiff might not seem that strong a side, for us that's always a horrible fixture we rarely get anything from. Losing that means more to us in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Harry said: I think those coming up make it stronger but those coming down are weaker. Blackburn & Wigan will be vastly better than any of the 3 relegated, Burton, Barnsley & Sunderland. In Wolves & Fulham we’re losing 2 of the best teams this division has seen for years. Of the relegated Prem teams, West Brom will be up there and look the best ones capable of bouncing straight back up. Stoke & Swansea have squads which I have absolutely no time for. They are not strong at all, and their strongest players (such as Shaqiri & Butland) will be gone. Overall, 2 decent teams coming up, but neither will be top 10. 1 decent team coming down. The other 2 will not be top 6. But. Sheff Weds will be better. Leeds will be better. Villa will be up there. Derby should do better. Boro will be better. Norwich ought to be better. Reading might be a bit better. Forest should improve. Brum should improve. I don’t think it’s those teams joining the league we need be too concerned of, but improvements to those already here. Edit. Forgot, Hull & Brentford will also be better. I agree with a lot of this except Derby & Norwich really. Derby have an ageing squad of high earners so I can see a major rebuild on the cards there with a couple of seasons of consolidation and Norwich appear to already be doing that - they`ll lose Maddison and one or two others and won`t replace them with world beaters IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 13 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: It`s all the unknowns that you have to factor in too. Will Reading & Brum be shite again? Will Blades & Millwall perform as well again? Will the likes of Wednesday & Forest get it together? The one I think will do well next season is Leeds. They finally seem to have stopped being the car crash of a club they`ve been for years and I think this might be their season. My opinion, FWIW, is something like this; Top 8 (in no particular order) Baggies, Stoke, Villa, Boro, Swansea, Leeds, Brentford, Hull Mid table 8 Norwich, Us, Wednesday, Blackburn, Blades, Derby, Brum, PNE Bottom 8 Wigan, Shrews/Rotherham, Reading, Bolton, QPR, Ipswich, Millwall, Forest And the biggest unknown is? City, of course. A start like a branch line milk train, and we'll be hitting the buffers before Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man in the middle Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Stronger every season with more money coming into the championship, Blackburn and Wigan are two big Clubs. We’re definitely a little fish in a big pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, man in the middle said: Stronger every season with more money coming into the championship, Blackburn and Wigan are two big Clubs. We’re definitely a little fish in a big pond. Blackburn have history, mostly in the 19th century. Wigan a big club? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, man in the middle said: Stronger every season with more money coming into the championship, Blackburn and Wigan are two big Clubs. We’re definitely a little fish in a big pond. Whatever Blackburn and Wigan are, or have done in the past, they are not as well supported as us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: And the biggest unknown is? City, of course. A start like a branch line milk train, and we'll be hitting the buffers before Christmas. I did think about including us in there TBH mate but let close season optimism get the better of me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Stronger, buts that’s okay because our pillars will ensure we are stronger too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Whatever it turns out to be, we have more than enough resources to be comfortably 11th again. No excuses. I don't expect a promotion push, nor a relegation struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 I think it will be very similar. A barometer of our progress could be how we done against the sides promoted alongside us and those promoted since us: 14/15 Preston - done consistently well MK Dons - Down, Down, deeper on Down (definitely not kept the Status Quo) 15/16 Barnsley - down 2nd season Wigan - Down 1st season Burton - Down 2nd season 16/17 Millwall - great first season back Sheffield Utd - very good first season back Bolton - survived thanks to Wilbs 17/18 Blackburn - let’s see Wigan - yo-yo team so let’s see Shrewsbury or Rotherham So, 3 Of the 8 Other sides promoted have done well. 4 have gone down either straightaway or the following season, 1, survived in the final minutes. Will be interesting to see how Millwall and Sheffield United do in their second seasons, and one of this seasons promoted clubs will probably keep their momentum, probably Blackburn. So a tough division....again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis what Crisis ? Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 It's inevitable that the championship will continue to become a more difficult division to get out of.....it's the end result of the parachute payment system. As more and more clubs come down from the premiership with ever increasing 'rewards for failure' it means that the rest of us will be fighting an uphill battle....simples ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 15 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: I think on paper it will be. Blackburn & Wigan should be stronger than Barnsley & Sunderland. Shrews or Rotherham will be a bit like Burton. We`ve lost Wolves, Cardiff & Fulham but gained Swansea, Baggies and Stoke - marginally a bit weaker than the three that went up but not by much IMO. It really depends how many (if any) of the relegated clubs prove to be in freefall like Sunderland. The 3 coming down won’t be weaker though because it’s another 3 clubs with parachute payments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, Crisis what Crisis ? said: It's inevitable that the championship will continue to become a more difficult division to get out of.....it's the end result of the parachute payment system. As more and more clubs come down from the premiership with ever increasing 'rewards for failure' it means that the rest of us will be fighting an uphill battle....simples ! You say that but the number of clubs receiving some sort of parachute payment is broadly similar year on year. I might have missed one or two but; 16/17 Cardiff, Norwich, Villa, Fulham, Hull, Newcastle, QPR, Derby (8) 17/18 Cardiff, Norwich, Fulham, Sunderland, Villa, Hull (6) 18/19 Swansea, Stoke, WBA, Villa, Norwich, Hull, Boro (7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 15 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: Villa & Norwich are with Hull & Boro in their second season of three. With the three coming down that`s seven with parachute payments next season. Villas parachute payment has been cut hugely https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-parachute-payments-when-11161706 I guess its the same for 'boro and Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Championship is always hard , no matter who comes up or down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis what Crisis ? Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 I understand what you mean but that's still almost a third of the division in receipt of millions of pounds of extra funds that give them an advantage in the transfer market. Luckily a lot of them are ' basket case' clubs like Sunderland that would need bottomless pit of money to save them because of recklesss transfer dealings when they were in the top flight but others will be more than capable of using the payment to get a 'leg up' and unless three from that group you've highlighted below go up next year then the number will increase year on year. ...( I think we could easily see at least two of the promotion places going to teams on this list unfortunately) 26 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: You say that but the number of clubs receiving some sort of parachute payment is broadly similar year on year. I might have missed one or two but; 16/17 Cardiff, Norwich, Villa, Fulham, Hull, Newcastle, QPR, Derby (8) 17/18 Cardiff, Norwich, Fulham, Sunderland, Villa, Hull (6) 18/19 Swansea, Stoke, WBA, Villa, Norwich, Hull, Boro (7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Will be the usual totally unpredictable League with surprises in terms of under and over performers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man in the middle Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 On 27/05/2018 at 10:06, Jack Dawe said: Whatever Blackburn and Wigan are, or have done in the past, they are not as well supported as us. Not comparing them to us as I think we’re on a par with both clubs, just trying to say that their bigger than most clubs that could possibly come up from division one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man in the middle Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 On 27/05/2018 at 10:02, cidered abroad said: Blackburn have history, mostly in the 19th century. Wigan a big club? Really? Both bigger clubs than most that could come up from league one, that’s all. Not saying their any bigger than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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