myol'man Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, RedM said: Lancer Scott have been asked to step aside half way through their four year deal. My guess would be a betting company, think I read that on here somewhere recently. I bet it's not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Pretty miserable all round if this is true. Fortunately the attraction of buying a football shirt left me quite some white ago now, but how depressing if we follow the herd and advertise misery provided by some dubious Far East outfit. Come on. Think of the publicity. How about Christian Roberts waving some cash? Its all good ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Isn't it fairly obvious? Not sure why everyone is avoiding stating the obvious... https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/lewis-had-it-all-but-the-gambling-killed-him-it-never-gets-any-easier-35562795.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5092149/Morrisons-manager-hanged-gambling-addiction.html https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/20/gambling-addiction-suicides-victoria https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/27/young-accountant-was-driven-to-suicide-by-gambling-addiction-his/ https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/family-heartache-after-son-hidden-1051560 And whilst all tragic in their own right, people are suggesting sponsorships from Blackthorn, Magners, Thatchers, plus others. You could then do the same thing about stories of people dieing from Alcohol related illnesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 If we get this Asian sponsor, and want to tap into the Asian market, do we need to sign an Asian player or two? There is some evidence that Asian football fans like to follow a player as much as they do a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: Who was suggesting banning gambling or alcohol?? I enjoy both responsibly, ok alcohol maybe a little irresponsibly at times! Just because alcohol also kills thousands of people in this country doesn't mean we have to be happy about another industry that is fairly morally bankrupt sponsoring the shirt. It is what it is to be honest. I'd have thought the club may feel some sort of moral responsibility to its customers, maybe not though. I can't blame whoever made the decision as one assumes it is their job to maximise revenue as much as possible, or they'll be for the chop. Such is life down at AG these days... That’s my point. Whether gambling, alcohol, financial services, whatever....they’re products and services that are legal and enjoyable if used in a responsible manner. I don’t think the club have any moral obligation to shield its supporters from exposure to these products. Exposure to kids is the only questionable part IMO but let’s be honest - kids are exposed to a lot worse than a logo on a shirt, City saying ‘no thanks we don’t want your money’ would be like turkeys voting for Christmas. The game has changed and clubs need to adapt or perish. We’re not a big club yet and can’t constantly rely on handouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 The moral support is admirable in here for sure, I never really expected it from OTIB if I'm absolutely honest. But the fact is we need to maximise our revenue streams, and it's something which the club need to press on with to be competitive. Sure, betting advertising isn't exactly morally correct, but it is something which the Football League or The FA should combat as a whole if it is to be combated, rather than on a club-by-club basis. If not us, they will just go to another club and the problem never gets solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123red1 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Genting Casino Group could make sense. Especially if Lansdown is going ahead with a hotel build and an entertainment centre. Bristol holds application for up to 4 Casino's, with 3 in operation, Rainbow, Grosvenor and Genting already. The Genting Casino is very small and may seek new premises over time and should Lansdown be building on the Wickes site, what better place to build a big Casino, next to a hotel, and entertainment centre, near a sporting venue, which will hold entertainment events as well. Genting used to sponsor Villa but pulled out a couple of years ago, and have this year Genting have launched Genting Bet, which is a new sports betting platform, and they have gone head to head with BetStars, who are owned by Poker Stars. Ironically Poker Stars and Genting have teamed up together now with Online Poker and Live Poker and the two sports betting platforms have merged. So Genting and Stars are heavily involved with each other. Genting is a Malaysian firm, so I would not be surprised if it was Genting Bet who are sponsoring us, they have recently applied to have shop premises as well as trading online, which given they are a licensed Casino will overrule the FOBT rules which are imminent in the Gambling industry so they could have fixed odds terminals in shops as well as taking bets. Genting Bet's first shop at Ashton Gate maybe? There could be a lot of mutual interest for both Bristol City FC and the Genting Group working together. All speculation and I know nothing, but I could see a link between the two reading between the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 minute ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: If we get this Asian sponsor, and want to tap into the Asian market, do we need to sign an Asian player or two? There is some evidence that Asian football fans like to follow a player as much as they do a club. This is a genuinely fair point actually. Obviously it's on an enormous scale, but the signing of Mo Salah for Liverpool is only partly for on-pitch performance - it also buys in to their wider global marketing strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Pretty miserable all round if this is true. Fortunately the attraction of buying a football shirt left me quite some white ago now, but how depressing if we follow the herd and advertise misery provided by some dubious Far East outfit. Out of interest how do you feel about the Heineken lounge? I would be surprised if betting has ruined more lives than lager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Must be a really good deal I’ve heard they’ve offered us a monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: Out of interest how do you feel about the Heineken lounge? I would be surprised if betting has ruined more lives than lager. Totally ambivalent. As has been shown recently by the correlation between betting shops and areas of poverty, the gambling industry is a pretty unpleasant one. Yes, some people who drink alcohol become alcoholic but I don’t see the same urge in the industry to part you from all of your cash. When the fun stops, stop, eh? How pathetic is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: That’s what I don’t get though - what are the moral implications of it being a betting company? The fact that gambling has the potential to become addictive, ruin lives and destroy families. Personally I’ll be disappointed if it’s a foreign gambling website. It’s another reminder of how clubs even at our level no longer represent their community in the way they once did. I think that’s a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Isn't it fairly obvious? Not sure why everyone is avoiding stating the obvious... https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/lewis-had-it-all-but-the-gambling-killed-him-it-never-gets-any-easier-35562795.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5092149/Morrisons-manager-hanged-gambling-addiction.html https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/20/gambling-addiction-suicides-victoria https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/27/young-accountant-was-driven-to-suicide-by-gambling-addiction-his/ https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/family-heartache-after-son-hidden-1051560 And the club having a completely legitimate company who offer gambling makes them bad and makes people do it in excess? At a point people need to take responsibility for themselves. It's like people trying to sue McDonald's for them being fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123red1 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 One thing I find ironic, people upset and angered it could be a gaming / betting organisation as it ruins lives. Well so does Alcohol and I have seen first hand what out of control drinking does to families, so Alcohol ruins lives just as much as gambling does, but hey the forum would be falling over themselves with excitement if the club teamed up with Thatchers Gold. I for one couldn't care who sponsors the club, if it raises capital and the deal is good for the club and it brings in money that allows us to wage increase our wage structure, and sign decent players (A massive International name will want promotion on the biggest scale not in the Championship, so the deal could easily be, if you want the high profile advertisement you have to help us get there and we need your money to do that) then it is only a positive step for Bristol City FC. Like it or lump it, if we are to progress as a club, we HAVE to generate money and funding to achieve promotion, a mega sponsorship deal for the club is one way of doing this, which doesn't have implications for the club in the long run, and is funding which can be used towards FFP and isn't another loan as such from Steve Lansdown. It could be Porn Hub for all I care, International Exposure for BCFC, brilliant and congrats to however has engineered the deal for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Robin TBW said: And the club having a completely legitimate company who offer gambling makes them bad and makes people do it in excess? At a point people need to take responsibility for themselves. It's like people trying to sue McDonald's for them being fat. Absolutely. People these days just take no responsibility for anything. Too used to being told how everything’s always someone’s fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: The fact that gambling has the potential to become addictive, ruin lives and destroy families. Personally I’ll be disappointed if it’s a foreign gambling website. It’s another reminder of how clubs even at our level no longer represent their community in the way they once did. I think that’s a shame. I’d be amazed if an awful lot of the “community” you refer to don’t use interweb based turf accountants at some point or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: The fact that gambling has the potential to become addictive, ruin lives and destroy families. Personally I’ll be disappointed if it’s a foreign gambling website. It’s another reminder of how clubs even at our level no longer represent their community in the way they once did. I think that’s a shame. That hasn’t been the case for decades mate. Rightly or wrongly. The ‘game’ is a commercial enterprise. That’s just how it is. This is one of the biggest leagues in world football outside of the elite leagues. Adapt or perish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Robin TBW said: And the club having a completely legitimate company who offer gambling makes them bad and makes people do it in excess? At a point people need to take responsibility for themselves. It's like people trying to sue McDonald's for them being fat. Ultimately people do need to take responsibility for themselves, but that doesn’t mean others should encourage it. A football club influences its community and I’d prefer it if they didn’t make money from an industry that preys on the most vulnerable in society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Ultimately people do need to take responsibility for themselves, but that doesn’t mean others should encourage it. A football club influences its community and I’d prefer it if they didn’t make money from an industry that preys on the most vulnerable in society. Playing Devil's Advocate a bit, but couldn't we say the same for Thatcher's? We've had that for years and I don't remember these sort of conversations. Alcohol can be really harmful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Totally ambivalent. As has been shown recently by the correlation between betting shops and areas of poverty, the gambling industry is a pretty unpleasant one. Yes, some people who drink alcohol become alcoholic but I don’t see the same urge in the industry to part you from all of your cash. When the fun stops, stop, eh? How pathetic is that? TV is rife with enticing alcohol adverts and adverts for credit. I imagine utilisation of cheap booze and easy credit is larger amongst poorer areas too but at what point did people have to stop taking any responsibility for their own actions?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: That hasn’t been the case for decades mate. Rightly or wrongly. The ‘game’ is a commercial enterprise. That’s just how it is. This is one of the biggest leagues in world football outside of the elite leagues. Adapt or perish. That may be the case, but it doesn’t mean I can’t lament it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Anyone fancy photoshopping Genting's Logo onto a basic kit? I.e. last seasons, in white font? To be fair, could have worse sponsors (In terms of aesthetic appeal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Isn't it fairly obvious? Not sure why everyone is avoiding stating the obvious... https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/lewis-had-it-all-but-the-gambling-killed-him-it-never-gets-any-easier-35562795.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5092149/Morrisons-manager-hanged-gambling-addiction.html https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/20/gambling-addiction-suicides-victoria https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/27/young-accountant-was-driven-to-suicide-by-gambling-addiction-his/ https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/family-heartache-after-son-hidden-1051560 So the objection is based upon addiction? And there are people on here who want it to be Thatchers? Because no one ever got addicted to alcohol ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 hour ago, BCFCadam said: Let's just hope it isn't LeoVegas or 888 Sport, who seem to sponsor everyone at the moment. Why..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Why..? I think 888 is actually one of the nicer logos. Most of the Asian casino/betting logos are terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, 123red1 said: One thing I find ironic, people upset and angered it could be a gaming / betting organisation as it ruins lives. Well so does Alcohol and I have seen first hand what out of control drinking does to families, so Alcohol ruins lives just as much as gambling does, but hey the forum would be falling over themselves with excitement if the club teamed up with Thatchers Gold. I for one couldn't care who sponsors the club, if it raises capital and the deal is good for the club and it brings in money that allows us to wage increase our wage structure, and sign decent players (A massive International name will want promotion on the biggest scale not in the Championship, so the deal could easily be, if you want the high profile advertisement you have to help us get there and we need your money to do that) then it is only a positive step for Bristol City FC. Like it or lump it, if we are to progress as a club, we HAVE to generate money and funding to achieve promotion, a mega sponsorship deal for the club is one way of doing this, which doesn't have implications for the club in the long run, and is funding which can be used towards FFP and isn't another loan as such from Steve Lansdown. It could be Porn Hub for all I care, International Exposure for BCFC, brilliant and congrats to however has engineered the deal for the club. Porn Hub. Know they speak it but arse to mouth on the shirts is a bit much for a family club I would think even for BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCadam Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Why..? Originality. At the moment it's purely the shirt sponsor separating our shirt from being practically the same as Forest's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 You can already see that some on here are sharpening the knives, ready for us making a sound financial decision, but my god, the out rage of a club being sponsored by a betting company!!! Especially one that plays in the “Sky BET Championship”..!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, BCFCadam said: Originality. At the moment it's purely the shirt sponsor separating our shirt from being practically the same as Forest's. I don’t think you quite grasp the concept and reasoning behind sponsorship..! If the highest bidder wanted to put the shite imoji on the front of the shirt, then that’s what would be there. It’s business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Certainly be controversial with some fans. Everything is controversial with some fans. As they say, you can’t please all of the people all of the time. 2 hours ago, Bs4Red said: It’s a Malaysian bookmaker, offered an absolute wedge. Deal has basically been agreed since UTD and City games. It must be a gurt big wedge, to buy Lanser Scott out of the contract (they wouldn’t stand aside without compensation) and still be worthwhile for City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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