chowie Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, 123red1 said: Genting Casino Group could make sense. Especially if Lansdown is going ahead with a hotel build and an entertainment centre. Bristol holds application for up to 4 Casino's, with 3 in operation, Rainbow, Grosvenor and Genting already. The Genting Casino is very small and may seek new premises over time and should Lansdown be building on the Wickes site, what better place to build a big Casino, next to a hotel, and entertainment centre, near a sporting venue, which will hold entertainment events as well. Genting used to sponsor Villa but pulled out a couple of years ago, and have this year Genting have launched Genting Bet, which is a new sports betting platform, and they have gone head to head with BetStars, who are owned by Poker Stars. Ironically Poker Stars and Genting have teamed up together now with Online Poker and Live Poker and the two sports betting platforms have merged. So Genting and Stars are heavily involved with each other. Genting is a Malaysian firm, so I would not be surprised if it was Genting Bet who are sponsoring us, they have recently applied to have shop premises as well as trading online, which given they are a licensed Casino will overrule the FOBT rules which are imminent in the Gambling industry so they could have fixed odds terminals in shops as well as taking bets. Genting Bet's first shop at Ashton Gate maybe? There could be a lot of mutual interest for both Bristol City FC and the Genting Group working together. All speculation and I know nothing, but I could see a link between the two reading between the lines. Good post. They also sponsor an ARENA and have HOTELS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, Robin TBW said: And the club having a completely legitimate company who offer gambling makes them bad and makes people do it in excess? At a point people need to take responsibility for themselves. It's like people trying to sue McDonald's for them being fat. 12 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: TV is rife with enticing alcohol adverts and adverts for credit. I imagine utilisation of cheap booze and easy credit is larger amongst poorer areas too but at what point did people have to stop taking any responsibility for their own actions?! Gambling, like taking drugs and smoking is proven to be highly addictive. If you have an addictive personality that often means you can't stop doing something even it is directly harming you and/or others. If you are addicted to gambling then the likelihood is you are going to end up loosing money, potentially a lot of it. Can you therefore not see the problem here? This is why the gambling industry is after all, tightly regulated. It is very easy for you and others to sit there and say 'people need to take responsibility for themselves'. Well, no, actually. When people are suffering with what can be a very severe illness they cannot take responsibility for themselves. They need help, and frankly plastering messages all over the media telling them to 'Bet Now' (I'm talking more generally now) is very unhelpful, bordering on completely irresponsible to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Gambling, like taking drugs and smoking is proven to be highly addictive. If you have an addictive personality that often means you can't stop doing something even it is directly harming you and/or others. If you are addicted to gambling then the likelihood is you are going to end up loosing money, potentially a lot of it. Can you therefore not see the problem here? This is why the gambling industry is after all, tightly regulated. It is very easy for you and others to sit there and say 'people need to take responsibility for themselves'. Well, no, actually. When people are suffering with what can be a very severe illness they cannot take responsibility for themselves. They need help, and frankly plastering messages all over the media telling them to 'Bet Now' (I'm talking more generally now) is very unhelpful, bordering on completely irresponsible to be honest. Fair points. But what about that is different to alcohol, which has a long standing, mostly celebrated/encouraged, relationship with supporting football? Surely if you’re morally outraged at the rampant promotion of gambling you have to have the same stance on alcohol? I don’t remember any outrage about the Carling Atyeo stand, or Blackthorn on the shirts, or the Heineken Lounge etc I’m not denying that those with an addiction need help. Believe me, I have first hand experience of the impact of addiction. But unless all clubs cut all ties with anything that could be considered addictive, then I don’t see why City would be expected to turn away enormous commercial opportunities on some kind of moral crusade. Especially in light of the large proportion of dissatisfied fans with delusions of grandeur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: You can already see that some on here are sharpening the knives, ready for us making a sound financial decision, but my god, the out rage of a club being sponsored by a betting company!!! Especially one that plays in the “Sky BET Championship”..!! There is literally not even a hint of outrage on this thread. Some mild disappointment from a few at best. Not sure why you feel the need to sensationalise?? 10 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I don’t think you quite grasp the concept and reasoning behind sponsorship..! If the highest bidder wanted to put the shite imoji on the front of the shirt, then that’s what would be there. It’s business! You may be willing to sell your soul to the highest bidder, not all of us are quite so blinded by ££ signs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: There is literally not even a hint of outrage on this thread. Some mild disappointment from a few at best. Not sure why you feel the need to sensationalise?? You may be willing to sell your soul to the highest bidder, not all of us are quite so blinded by ££ signs! Not even a hint of irony in the juxtaposition of those replies?! The same people moaning about how we shouldn’t have this deal will be the same ones saying we should have signed Grabban and Mitrovic, and want cheaper tickets, cheaper shirts, free away travel, etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCadam Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I don’t think you quite grasp the concept and reasoning behind sponsorship..! If the highest bidder wanted to put the shite imoji on the front of the shirt, then that’s what would be there. It’s business! I do understand that but it would be nice to have something different, but at the end of the day I guess you're right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Fair points. But what about that is different to alcohol, which has a long standing, mostly celebrated/encouraged, relationship with supporting football? Surely if you’re morally outraged at the rampant promotion of gambling you have to have the same stance on alcohol? I don’t remember any outrage about the Carling Atyeo stand, or Blackthorn on the shirts, or the Heineken Lounge etc I’m not denying that those with an addiction need help. Believe me, I have first hand experience of the impact of addiction. But unless all clubs cut all ties with anything that could be considered addictive, then I don’t see why City would be expected to turn away enormous commercial opportunities on some kind of moral crusade. Especially in light of the large proportion of dissatisfied fans with delusions of grandeur. I'm not 'morally outraged' by it, honest! The ones that I do think should be banned/restricted though are the endless Ray Winstone type 'Bet Now' ads in between the football. Find them very intrusive and frankly effective - and kids should not be exposed to that level of betting advertising IMO. It'll create problems further down the line I think... 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Not even a hint of irony in the juxtaposition of those replies?! It was the most appropriate turn of phrase I could think of? I'm not using it in a literal sense, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said: Alcohol (and many other widely available legal things) can ruin lives too if usage isn’t kept in moderation. I have sympathy with anyone struggling with any kind of addiction, but the answer isn’t banning any kind of gambling or alcohol. Funny how there’s already been mentions of Thatchers in a positive light yet a gambling company has people morally objecting. Tobacco advertising has been banned for years now yet it’s still legal to smoke it so why should betting be any different? To me, and it seems others, betting is a worse evil than alcohol in that it preys on those that generally can’t afford it and it is in no way as socially acceptable to bet than it is to drink. But I accept that whilst it’s legal City will feel that they have to take the best offer. Doesn’t mean I like it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Gambling, like taking drugs and smoking is proven to be highly addictive. If you have an addictive personality that often means you can't stop doing something even it is directly harming you and/or others. If you are addicted to gambling then the likelihood is you are going to end up loosing money, potentially a lot of it. Can you therefore not see the problem here? This is why the gambling industry is after all, tightly regulated. It is very easy for you and others to sit there and say 'people need to take responsibility for themselves'. Well, no, actually. When people are suffering with what can be a very severe illness they cannot take responsibility for themselves. They need help, and frankly plastering messages all over the media telling them to 'Bet Now' (I'm talking more generally now) is very unhelpful, bordering on completely irresponsible to be honest. Understand your point However. It is (currently) legal so I do not see that BCFC are going to be the leaders in a moral crusade. I could be wrong, but we are not Barca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: I'm not 'morally outraged' by it, honest! The ones that I do think should be banned/restricted though are the endless Ray Winstone type 'Bet Now' ads in between the football. Find them very intrusive and frankly effective - and kids should not be exposed to that level of betting advertising IMO. It'll create problems further down the line I think... It was the most appropriate turn of phrase I could think of? I'm not using it in a literal sense, obviously. I completely agree about the adverts to be fair. In my mind there is a world of difference between a corporate sponsorship - logo on a shirt/stand - and what you describe. My biggest qualms with gambling and children’s exposure to it is in video games - ie FIFA packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: The fact that gambling has the potential to become addictive, ruin lives and destroy families. Personally I’ll be disappointed if it’s a foreign gambling website. It’s another reminder of how clubs even at our level no longer represent their community in the way they once did. I think that’s a shame. Absolutely the central issue for me. Plus, all bookmakers are c * * * s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, lenred said: Tobacco advertising has been banned for years now yet it’s still legal to smoke it so why should betting be any different? To me, and it seems others, betting is a worse evil than alcohol in that it preys on those that generally can’t afford it and it is in no way as socially acceptable to bet than it is to drink. But I accept that whilst it’s legal City will feel that they have to take the best offer. Doesn’t mean I like it though. Fair point. I think its perhaps something you should take up with your local MP .... not your local football club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, lenred said: Tobacco advertising has been banned for years now yet it’s still legal to smoke it so why should betting be any different? To me, and it seems others, betting is a worse evil than alcohol in that it preys on those that generally can’t afford it and it is in no way as socially acceptable to bet than it is to drink. But I accept that whilst it’s legal City will feel that they have to take the best offer. Doesn’t mean I like it though. Tobacco advertising has been banned for years now yet it’s still legal to smoke it so why should betting be any different? To me, and it seems others, betting is a worse evil than alcohol in that it preys on those that generally can’t afford it and it is in no way as socially acceptable to bet than it is to drink. But I accept that whilst it’s legal City will feel that they have to take the best offer. Doesn’t mean I like it though. alcohol if far worse then gambling imo, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 minute ago, soultrader said: Fair point. I think its perhaps something you should take up with your local MP .... not your local football club Read my last paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, lenred said: Tobacco advertising has been banned for years now yet it’s still legal to smoke it so why should betting be any different? To me, and it seems others, betting is a worse evil than alcohol in that it preys on those that generally can’t afford it and it is in no way as socially acceptable to bet than it is to drink. But I accept that whilst it’s legal City will feel that they have to take the best offer. Doesn’t mean I like it though. Tobacco advertising has been banned for years now yet it’s still legal to smoke it so why should betting be any different? To me, and it seems others, betting is a worse evil than alcohol in that it preys on those that generally can’t afford it and it is in no way as socially acceptable to bet than it is to drink. But I accept that whilst it’s legal City will feel that they have to take the best offer. Doesn’t mean I like it though. I see where you’re coming from but I think there’s a big difference between tobacco and betting. Tobacco WILL cause you harm regardless of how ‘responsibly’ you enjoy it. Betting, for the majority of those who indulge in it, does not. I get the point though and who knows what will happen in 5-10 years time. Could be big changes in the industry about when and how it can be advertised so I definitley don’t blame City for trying to cash in while the offer is on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, lenred said: Read my last paragraph. yep ... I did. I Just don't think such societal quandaries are likely to be answered on a football forum. I'm not suggesting that is what you are asking for. Just as everyone seems to know, BCFC is a business. This is business ... in fact it is legal. Some people dislike gambling. I get and understand that, but the other clubs who are sponsored by gambling companies have survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: You can already see that some on here are sharpening the knives, ready for us making a sound financial decision, but my god, the out rage of a club being sponsored by a betting company!!! Especially one that plays in the “Sky BET Championship”..!! The thread is quite balanced porn hub posts apart. Forget what the league have done. The question should what is right for the principles of BCFC? BCFC via its pillars has made reference to itself as being part of the community. Its community trust (a charity) does work with the disadvantaged and vulnerable. I work and coach for a charity with the disadvantaged and vulnerable - Sponsorship from the gaming industry would not be acceptable there. There is a juxtaposition above between responsible and principled, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 We don’t know it’s a gambling firm yet do we? Or did I miss something and it’s confirmed in one of the posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: I see where you’re coming from but I think there’s a big difference between tobacco and betting. Tobacco WILL cause you harm regardless of how ‘responsibly’ you enjoy it. Betting, for the majority of those who indulge in it, does not. I get the point though and who knows what will happen in 5-10 years time. Could be big changes in the industry about when and how it can be advertised so I definitley don’t blame City for trying to cash in while the offer is on the table. Yep some fair points there. I could chuck back that the odd cig or cigar now and again isn’t going to harm either (that’s what a top cancer specialist told a close family member) but that could be seen as being facetious! I’ve partaken in all three of the ‘dreaded triumvirate’ and to me tobacco is rightly outlawed already and betting should follow suit or at least be more regulated so that it’s not plastered all over Sport as it is at the moment. It’s everwhere - those with pay tv will surely agree. But that’s my opinion. City understandably will do what pays as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cowshed said: The thread is quite balanced porn hub posts apart. Forget what the league have done. The question should what is right for the principles of BCFC? BCFC via its pillars has made reference to itself as being part of the community. Its community trust (a charity) does work with the disadvantaged and vulnerable. I work and coach for a charity with the disadvantaged and vulnerable - Sponsorship from the gaming industry would not be acceptable there. There is a juxtaposition above between responsible and principled, or not. Agree ... but without having the 5 pillars at hand to read. I dont think BCFC ever mentioned ethical business? I could be wrong, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Bs4Red said: It’s a Malaysian bookmaker, offered an absolute wedge. Deal has basically been agreed since UTD and City games. More fool them. The chances of us repeating the same level of media exposure playing top flight teams like last season are slim to none. More likely to be 2 minutes on Channel 5 at 21:55 of a Saturday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: More fool them. The chances of us repeating the same level of media exposure playing top flight teams like last season are slim to none. There's more chance of 2 minutes on Channel 5 at 21:55 of a Saturday night. Quest..?!! Yeah, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: More fool them. The chances of us repeating the same level of media exposure playing top flight teams like last season are slim to none. More likely to be 2 minutes on Channel 5 at 21:55 of a Saturday night. I guess a lot of our ability to have an impressive season will depend a lot on just how much the deal is worth. To ask (pay off) a long term sponsor to step aside says we’re in uncharted territory for us in terms of the commercials of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, chowie said: As the quote in the link, They remain Bristol City FC’s principal construction partner. They're building the multi-storey car park?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said: You can probably find a moral objection to just about any shirt sponsor if you look at it deep enough. What would be worse, an Asian betting company or someone like Nestle. True Those ******** used to sting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman_Red Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Maybe we can take the extra sponsorship money and give Bobby that improved contract....this can tie in with the new half time roulette game 'Reid or Black?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Any chance of the commercials being announced or another case of ‘undisclosed fee’ ? 1 minute ago, Dman_Red said: Maybe we can take the extra sponsorship money and give Bobby that improved contract....this can tie in with the new half time roulette game 'Reid or Black?' We already have the tombola machine from the team selection meeting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Deal has basically been agreed since UTD and City games. As a Sports Betting company they've clearly done their research and will be prepared for the fact that we usually get knocked out in the first round by Barnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Playing Devil's Advocate a bit, but couldn't we say the same for Thatcher's? We've had that for years and I don't remember these sort of conversations. Alcohol can be really harmful too. I think people see Thatcher’s as being local and ‘our’ drink, that’s why the other side of them being an alcohol producer gets overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 minute ago, RedM said: I think people see Thatcher’s as being local and ‘our’ drink, that’s why the other side of them being an alcohol producer gets overlooked. so it would be ok if the betting company was around the corner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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