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Few thoughts:

1) Moral objections about gambling IMO are pretty hypocritical after years of complicity with alcohol advertising, Thatchers, Carling, Heineken etc. Alcohol accounts for over 300,000 admissions to hospital every year and over 5000 alcohol related deaths. That’s not only an issue for those alcholics, but a drain on the NHS and the tax payer. An arguably wider issue IMO than gambling addicts going bankrupt. 

2) Over 50% of the club’s in the top two divisions were last season sponsored by betting companies. 23 out of 44. Of the rest, over half are sponsored by other financial institutions, Wolves for example a pay day loans company, which are arguably less scrupulous than betting companies.

We were part of 5 teams in the top two divisions to be sponsored by a “smaller” local company. Now with us and Ipswich going to betting companies - 

That’s only 3 out of 44.

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2 minutes ago, soultrader said:

so it would be ok if the betting company was around the corner?

Personally I would rather see a local company, or even as Villa did (and maybe others) a Charity.

But we have done the local company thing, and no doubt it was good at the time but money is money.

We got to pick up our ball and run with the bigger boys if we want to be taken seriously on and off the pitch. If that means wearing a pattern and a few words on shirts then take the money and laugh at the people who are prepared to pay vast sums and get a bit of publicity back, and they don’t know how successful their investment will be. They are the ones gambling once we have spent it!

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1 hour ago, Fuber said:

Anyone fancy photoshopping Genting's Logo onto a basic kit? I.e. last seasons, in white font?

To be fair, could have worse sponsors (In terms of aesthetic appeal).

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Never heard of it. But it sounds a bit reminiscent of Cottaging.

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20 minutes ago, Olé said:

As a Sports Betting company they've clearly done their research and will be prepared for the fact that we usually get knocked out in the first round by Barnet.

Want a bet on that?

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We're not breaking ground here, we're jumping on what is a very lucrative bandwagon, so many other teams have done it, why should we not profit from it?

At the end of the day, if you want to find a betting site online (or down the high street), its ridiculously easy to do so.

Us having a logo on our shirts will not make that easier.

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2 hours ago, Taz said:

New company offer X amount to be main sponsor. Club replies that's great, but we have a sponsorship which hasn't run it's course yet, and it would cost XX amount to cancel the sponsorship.

New company then say that's fine, we'll offer you the original X and then the XX on top to cancel the contract so you're not losing out at all. The club then receives XXX amount for the sponsorship.

My god the new sponsor is Pornhub :rolleyes:

Lancer Scott shafted by Pornhub .

 

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1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Fair points. But what about that is different to alcohol, which has a long standing, mostly celebrated/encouraged, relationship with supporting football?

Surely if you’re morally outraged at the rampant promotion of gambling you have to have the same stance on alcohol? I don’t remember any outrage about the Carling Atyeo stand, or Blackthorn on the shirts, or the Heineken Lounge etc 

I’m not denying that those with an addiction need help. Believe me, I have first hand experience of the impact of addiction. But unless all clubs cut all ties with anything that could be considered addictive, then I don’t see why City would be expected to turn away enormous commercial opportunities on some kind of moral crusade.

Especially in light of the large proportion of dissatisfied fans with delusions of grandeur. 

City and OTIB are addictive perhaps we should close both down now for the sake of the children . 

 

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7 minutes ago, Leveller said:

Never heard of it. But it sounds a bit reminiscent of Cottaging.

Reminds me of another one, I could never bring myself to buy this shirt even if I was a Swindon Town fan....

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5 minutes ago, KingLear said:

We're not breaking ground here, we're jumping on what is a very lucrative bandwagon, so many other teams have done it, why should we not profit from it?

At the end of the day, if you want to find a betting site online (or down the high street), its ridiculously easy to do so.

Us having a logo on our shirts will not make that easier.

Exactly. I didn’t buy anything from Lancer Scott after having their logo on our shirts for a couple of years so I doubt if I will suddenly feel the urge to squander my savings on a betting site if that’s the case.

Take the money, if we don’t get it somebody else will. And as I said smile sweetly as will will be getting a better deal than them.

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To be honest, I couldn't give the fury crack of a rat's ass what goes on the front of our shirts. It's more about the people who wear it and their ability to drive the club forward.

I understand some people will be uneasy about a betting sponsor but it hasn't even been confirmed yet so we need to be careful. At the end of the day we are moving in to an era where we have to compete with some very big teams that have a legacy we, with our handful of years in the top flight can only wish for. To do that we have to accept a lot of potentially unpalatable things. The big question is, are we as a fans prepared to do that? It's a tricky path to go down but its the road to success in modern football however distasteful we find it. 

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I’m a gambler myself and I can assure you it is a truly awful addiction, bookies in my eyes are lower than a snakes belly and to see them recently trying to justify that it’s perfectly ok for the addicted to blow £100 in 20 seconds on a roulette machine which can’t lose was disgusting, I don’t think i’ve ever agreed with any Tory policy ever made but fair play to them for putting a stop to this robbery

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3 hours ago, chowie said:

There was this "thing" at the Utd game.

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I believe the app above may be for ‘Wanbo Sports’ - appears to be linked to ManBetX (Crystal Palace sponsor)

Possibly interesting Reddit article - 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/crystalpalace/comments/6jsawq/heres_a_bit_more_about_crystal_palaces_new_shirt/

Another interesting article on premier league clubs and gambling sponsorship 

http://www.igbaffiliate.com/articles/dont-put-your-shirt-it

 

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6 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

To be honest, I couldn't give the fury crack of a rat's ass what goes on the front of our shirts. It's more about the people who wear it and their ability to drive the club forward.

I understand some people will be uneasy about a betting sponsor but it hasn't even been confirmed yet so we need to be careful. At the end of the day we are moving in to an era where we have to compete with some very big teams that have a legacy we, with our handful of years in the top flight can only wish for. To do that we have to accept a lot of potentially unpalatable things. The big question is, are we as a fans prepared to do that? It's a tricky path to go down but its the road to success in modern football however distasteful we find it. 

There are some things that I wouldn’t want to see on the front of our shirt, but a betting company logo isn’t one of them. I’m personally not a big gambler (I do the postcode lottery), but I’m not offended by it. Gambling can be addictive, but as pointed out by many so can alcohol. Both can be pleasurable if kept within personal limits. City have shown a responsible attitude towards its youth groups in the past by not allowing alcohol ads on junior shirts, so I trust them to be so again. 

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1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

I don’t think you quite grasp the concept and reasoning behind sponsorship..!

If the highest bidder wanted to put the shite imoji on the front of the shirt, then that’s what would be there. It’s business!

Have the 15ers yet held their annual shirt sponsorship raffle? Should we club together to buy a ticket because @Bar BS3 has come up with the logo I'd love to see on their shirts.

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Had a quick look through the thread but couldn't see anything about it. But class from Lancer Scott I'm sure/hope they are compensated in some way but we're lucky that they seem to be genuine fans as well as sponsors and moved out the way to give us the opportunity. 

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5 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

International bookmaker / betting company from Asia apparently. That was the rumour on here a few weeks back.

I am finding it hard to get my head around the combination of Steve Lansdown and betting sponsorship; it just sounds anathema. Would be extremely disappointed if SL capitulates to the horrific gambling sector and would bury any idea I ever have of buying a shirt although the price usually buries any thoughts of that from hovering.

4 hours ago, Carey 6 said:

I don't buy the shirt so it doesn't bother me too much (Sound like Robbored here)

But hopefully doesn't look as awful/big as the logo on the Palace kit does. 

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And KiddieBet for the youngsters then? Yes lets ram it down everyone's throat. BabyBet, GrannyBet, EnterTheGateOnlyIfYouBet, WedontgiveashitBet, GetAddictedbet, SuicideBet. .. all are Asian based i believe. 

Anyway, i don't believe it. Mr Lansdown is better than that. I have every confidence. 

HSBC, Hutchison Wampoa, Dai Ichi, Toyota ... they sound better.

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21 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

I am finding it hard to get my head around the combination of Steve Lansdown and betting sponsorship; it just sounds anathema. Would be extremely disappointed if SL capitulates to the horrific gambling sector and would bury any idea I ever have of buying a shirt although the price usually buries any thoughts of that from hovering.

Really? SL made his fortune off the back of the stocks and shares industry. The ruination of many a gambler. 

The reality is probably that JL - as Chief Exec etc - is the man responsible for this. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Do clubs normally reveal the value of the deal . Or will it be like a signing. Undisclosed. Be interesting to see the value between the two sponsors 

Comparison of this seasons and next seasons accounts? 

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