View from the Dolman Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 E Just now, Bristol Rob said: I think you can take most online reviews with a pinch of salt. I assume that people do win at their online casino and in their euphoria forget to post negative reviews, those who have lost a bundle probably have more time and motivation to be critical. Exactly that. Pretty much every such company has atrocious reviews as per my earlier post: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Sad news if true, Dunder sounds like a terrible shirt sponsor. Online gaming is a scourge on modern society. City should hang their heads in shame. Unless Dunder operate a different type of business and aren't driven by unscrupulous greed. Why Kev? 5 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: I couldn’t give a shit who sponsors our shirt . Could be rednud. As long as we win the sky bet championship I’m pretty ambivalent to who sponsors our shirt. All I hope is that Lancer Scott got adequate compensation for City breaking the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Did anyone question Lancer Scott's turnover when they became shirt sponsors, or that they weren't as big as McAlpine? Seems to me that in the eyes of some fans, whatever decisions the club make are the wrong ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Why Kev? I’m pretty ambivalent to who sponsors our shirt. All I hope is that Lancer Scott got adequate compensation for City breaking the contract. Me too Dave . From there response they came across very well. From that I’m hoping they got well compensated. Unless City made them say it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 This makes for interesting reading. It's a story about Championship clubs and their kit sponsors. https://www.sportsbetting777.com/efl-championship-clubs-sponsored-by-gambling-companies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogkev said: Sad news if true, Dunder sounds like a terrible shirt sponsor. Online gaming is a scourge on modern society. City should hang their heads in shame. Unless Dunder operate a different type of business and aren't driven by unscrupulous greed. Is it any more of a scourge than booze? Is it any more of a scourge than financial services who through irresponsible dealings managed to plunge the developed world into a recession? More of a scourge than pharmaceutical companies that will sell me and you something for a few quid but charge hundreds for the same item to the NHS and other health care providers? More of a scourge than construction companies that will sell materials to local councils that they know to have not met safety requirements that leads to deaths? More of a scourge than large tech companies who impose horrific working conditions (even by local standards) in factories in China? Short of having no sponsor, there is not an industry in existence that can't be shown in some situations to be morally bankrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Until I see it on a shirt, I refuse to believe it! An online gaming site that few people have even heard of, with a site that looks amateur beyond belief and has many criticisms of being a scam? Won’t have long to wait then Kevin. Shirt reveal (complete with Dunder) is happening today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, downendcity said: Did anyone question Lancer Scott's turnover when they became shirt sponsors, or that they weren't as big as McAlpine? Seems to me that in the eyes of some fans, whatever decisions the club make are the wrong ones. I agree. I can see the moralistic point about gambling, but as @El Hombrecito mentions above, but aren’t we a bit hypocritical about SkyBet then, etc? I’d probably prefer it’s someone I’d heard of, but it makes no difference. The deal for City is to get as much sponsorship money as possible. Dunder are using the deal to get more visibility, therefore more customers, and mone revenues. That’s the two side of sponsorship at a simplistic level. I don’t get all the fuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: I couldn’t give a shit who sponsors our shirt . Could be rednud. As long as we win the sky bet championship Well I do, the club have taken a huge step into the couldn't give a toss what we look like, just count the ******* money. Betting especially this type is a scourge on society, ruining lives, and sometimes taking lives, and yet we are poncing around with this on our shirts, more like dancing with the Devil. Hope this is just a wind-up, I really thought this club was better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Don't see the point of advertising a thing that no one has ever heard of and unlikely to use ! Bring back PARK FURNISHERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, 1bristolcity said: Well I do, the club have taken a huge step into the couldn't give a toss what we look like, just count the ******* money. Betting especially this type is a scourge on society, ruining lives, and sometimes taking lives, and yet we are poncing around with this on our shirts, more like dancing with the Devil. Hope this is just a wind-up, I really thought this club was better than this. Don’t think it is . I suggest you complain to the club. If you feel that strongly. Even start a petition maybe. Have more affect than moaning about it on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 So it’s an online betting company based in Malta started by 2 swedes. I guess it would have to be online. I’m not aware that either Sweden, and especially Malta are hotbeds if gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I agree. I can see the moralistic point about gambling, but as @El Hombrecito mentions above, but aren’t we a bit hypocritical about SkyBet then, etc? I’d probably prefer it’s someone I’d heard of, but it makes no difference. The deal for City is to get as much sponsorship money as possible. Dunder are using the deal to get more visibility, therefore more customers, and mone revenues. That’s the two side of sponsorship at a simplistic level. I don’t get all the fuss. Jeez, if anyone I thought might get it, it was you Dave. You said that they will get more visibility, yes they will, that is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: Dunder? Who are they? After the last 'window and the season ticket shambles 'Blunder' would more suffice........ Another fall of man.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Red Army 75 said: Don’t think it is . I suggest you complain to the club. If you feel that strongly. Even start a petition maybe. Have more affect than moaning about it on here Don't talk rubbish, this is the place to vent, the club will know ...have we all taken leave of our senses, this is not how City do things, never thought we would do such a cynical thing, stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, 1bristolcity said: Don't talk rubbish, this is the place to vent, the club will know ...have we all taken leave of our senses, this is not how City do things, never thought we would do such a cynical thing, stinks. Yet its okay in the past to have sponsors based in things like alcohol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Don't talk rubbish, this is the place to vent, the club will know ...have we all taken leave of our senses, this is not how City do things, never thought we would do such a cynical thing, stinks. All I was saying if you are not happy do something about. Didn’t think it was rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, 1bristolcity said: Don't talk rubbish, this is the place to vent, the club will know ...have we all taken leave of our senses, this is not how City do things, never thought we would do such a cynical thing, stinks. Calm down dear, it’s only a shirt sponsor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Was trying to see if the owner of Dunder was a personal friend of Lansdown. I feel like I've been dunderised! https://calvinayre.com/2017/10/24/press-releases/thomas-rosander-appointed-ceo-dunder/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, hodge said: Yet its okay in the past to have sponsors based in things like alcohol? And we previously had gambling facilities within the stadium itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, 1bristolcity said: Jeez, if anyone I thought might get it, it was you Dave. You said that they will get more visibility, yes they will, that is the problem. So, your point is you don’t want a betting company (scourge on society and all that) getting more visibility and more money. Have I got that right? Why did Lancer Scott sponsor us. Same reasons, offset a bit of Corporation Tax in the process. But morally a better company in your eyes? I can live with your view. As I said I’d probably prefer something moralistically better than betting. I like online betting, tiny scale, 10p accumulators to give me some interest in matches, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, downendcity said: Did anyone question Lancer Scott's turnover when they became shirt sponsors, or that they weren't as big as McAlpine? Seems to me that in the eyes of some fans, whatever decisions the club make are the wrong ones. Turnover is pretty irrelevant. A builder will have a much smaller profit percentage than an online casino which has minimal costs, relatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: So, your point is you don’t want a betting company (scourge on society and all that) getting more visibility and more money. Have I got that right? Why did Lancer Scott sponsor us. Same reasons, offset a bit of Corporation Tax in the process. But morally a better company in your eyes? I can live with your view. As I said I’d probably prefer something moralistically better than betting. I like online betting, tiny scale, 10p accumulators to give me some interest in matches, etc. Trouble is there are people who don't have your maturity,Dave.....lose control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Don't see the point of advertising a thing that no one has ever heard of and unlikely to use ! Bring back PARK FURNISHERS Surely the point is the additional revenue we receive, however big or small. Whether anybody has heard of them or are likely to use them is for Dunder to concern themselves about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Dream Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 This thread is a bit embarrassing who cares if it’s a betting firm? Many big clubs having betting firms even the league we play in is sponsored by a betting firm, could have been worse could have had Chinese writing sprawled across it. Their turn over doesn’t matter as long as they are putting more money into the club then last sponsors. I am in no way a fan of bristol sport but if people insist on moaning about everything they do it will take away the importantance of addressing real issues I.e ticketing prices, stadium issues etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Don't see the point of advertising a thing that no one has ever heard of and unlikely to use ! Bring back PARK FURNISHERS Um .. I think you’ll find that is kind of the purpose of advertising! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Libertine Dream said: This thread is a bit embarrassing who cares if it’s a betting firm? Many big clubs having betting firms even the league we play in is sponsored by a betting firm, could have been worse could have had Chinese writing sprawled across it. Their turn over doesn’t matter as long as they are putting more money into the club then last sponsors. I am in no way a fan of bristol sport but if people insist on moaning about everything they do it will take away the importantance of addressing real issues I.e ticketing prices, stadium issues etc I think it’s fine if you don’t like the idea of City being sponsored by a betting firm, and fine to voice your disapproval. But as you say, no-one had that opinion, about SkyBet!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 36 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Sad news if true, Dunder sounds like a terrible shirt sponsor. Online gaming is a scourge on modern society. City should hang their heads in shame. Unless Dunder operate a different type of business and aren't driven by unscrupulous greed. were you equally outraged when we had the carling atyeo stand or had blackthorn as a sponsor as alcohol is far more of a scourge then online betting, how about watching us in the SKY BET championship also an online bookies or doesn't that suit your argument ether? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 I've just spoken to the co-founder of another Swedish gaming company (Mr. Green) and one of his old team is CEO of Dunder. He says they are very good people. He reminded me that the founders are ex of another online gaming company that my old firm actually did business with, of which I can only say very nice things about the people I do remember and met - humble, hard working, decent people. On the strength of my experience, and this guy's word (he is more a tech entrepreneur than gambling obsessive - as many Swedes in Online Gaming are), I'd say our sponsorship is in good hands. I spent 10 years doing business with people like this - I can tell you the people and countries in "gambling" that I'd run a mile from - and Swedish folks are NOT them. Very decent, respectful, law-abiding, generous, charitable etc. Again, as I said in the new shirt thread, this is not meant to dismiss or ignore those who have a problem with gaming, which I totally understand, but in terms of people that could be sponsoring us, particularly from the gaming sector, this isn't some dodgy Malaysian gaming front to syphon money for a despot regime, it's a good entrepreneurial technology business and from everything I know, likely very decent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Trouble is there are people who don't have your maturity,Dave.....lose control. Same with alcohol but bet you werefine when we were sponsored by Blackthorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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