BRISTOL86 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: It's. In. This. Thread. Maybe you have wilfully ignored posts that don't fit your viewpoint. And if Parliament has concerns, if only they had some sort of powers. They want to ban gambling? Oh. They can. They want to restrict gambling advertising? Oh. They can. Without being too political, maybe they should be more concerned with the damage their policies are doing on crucial services like the NHS which is considerably more damage to society than a small Maltese casino company. Nothing like OTIB for a bit of perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, bs20ciderarmy said: Let’s all moan when we don’t know any details of the deal It is not the details that matter, but rather the principle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, bs20ciderarmy said: Let’s all moan when we don’t know any details of the deal Except we do know some of them now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs20ciderarmy Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, ZiderEyed said: Except we do know some of them now? Like they want to invest in the club and in Bristol in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: Immoral position to take. So if EDL offered a million and more for shirt sponsorship you would take it. Where would you daw a line? I would. I think Zingy is much better than Wilbur the penguin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Whatever your views of it are, I think we can all agree what a load of horseshit the press release is with it's constant references to the 'community'. Yes, I'm sure BCFC supporters and the communities of South Bristol have been crying out for a partnership with a Swedish online casino... Quote Launched in 2016 by two Swedish casino enthusiasts, Dunder has become known as one of the most innovative online casino companies, with a focus on simplicity, fairness and making gaming fun with its player-first approach. “We are delighted to announce our partnership with Bristol City. Last year’s fantastic Carabao Cup run really captured both ours and the UK public’s imagination,” said Adam Webber, Dunder’s head of acquisition. “After meeting the club and seeing first hand how the team played against Manchester United and Manchester City in the cup, it felt a great fit to our company ethos in doing things the right way. This along with the strong sense of community involvement and passion, really stood out from the start. “We at Dunder are very excited about what this venture will bring as we sincerely believe our investment will be able to make a significant contribution to the club achieving its long-term aspiration of playing in the Premier League. We want to invest not just in City but in the wider Bristol community as well.” Bristol Sport’s group head of commercial, Caroline Herbert, said: “We are delighted that Dunder has joined our sporting group as City's principal partner. Our thanks to Lancer Scott, who agreed to step down and allow us to take this opportunity of attracting an international company’s investment, which we hope will help City continue to grow and build on the successes of last season. "Our shared values alongside Dunder’s commitment to promoting responsible gambling and investing in the community will ensure that this partnership is a huge positive for City. We are very much looking forward to what the 2018/19 campaign will bring." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, hodge said: So you're happy with the club not being able to compete financially in this division increasing the chances of finishing lower in the division...? Yeah! Plus what’s the point in having finances when it gets blown on the likes of Diony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, Ivorguy said: If you follow Parliament you will see that the Government is dealing with this issue. Guess that fact doesn't suit your BS agenda I'm perfectly aware of what's happening in Parliament thanks. I'd like to see your proof of "Goverment dealing with this issue." They've made a change regarding physical fixed-odds betting terminals in bookmakers but they're not bringing any changes regarding gambling advertising. There was a recent cross-party group of MPs who wrote to Matt Hancock, culture secretary, expressing concerns but this certainly isn't a Goverment dealing with an issue. MPs write such letters every day of the week to ministers raising issues and concerns. But you still haven't addressed my points re: TrustPilot and why it shouldn't be used as the only judge of a company's reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: As fans we want our club to be competitive, especially with the broken landscape of parachute payments. Therefore any commercial advantage we can get from hawking out the space on the shirt to the highest bidder has to be taken. I posted a link earlier in this thread that detailed just how many clubs in this division are sponsored by online betting sites. It's loads. Most of them I have never heard of and I can't recall seeing any of them being on shirts when these teams came to BS3 last season. But have other clubs preached about putting local business and the community first in the way we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Olé said: I've just spoken to the co-founder of another Swedish gaming company (Mr. Green) and one of his old team is CEO of Dunder. He says they are very good people. He reminded me that the founders are ex of another online gaming company that my old firm actually did business with, of which I can only say very nice things about the people I do remember and met - humble, hard working, decent people. On the strength of my experience, and this guy's word (he is more a tech entrepreneur than gambling obsessive - as many Swedes in Online Gaming are), I'd say our sponsorship is in good hands. I spent 10 years doing business with people like this - I can tell you the people and countries in "gambling" that I'd run a mile from - and Swedish folks are NOT them. Very decent, respectful, law-abiding, generous, charitable etc. Again, as I said in the new shirt thread, this is not meant to dismiss or ignore those who have a problem with gaming, which I totally understand, but in terms of people that could be sponsoring us, particularly from the gaming sector, this isn't some dodgy Malaysian gaming front to syphon money for a despot regime, it's a good entrepreneurial technology business and from everything I know, likely very decent people. Thanks for the insight. Interesting. But I am left wondering why a couple of Swedes feel the need to set up their tech business in Malta not Sweden, Malta being as corrupt a country as you'll find in the EU, corruption that goes right to the top of their establishment and includes the murder of journalists seeking to expose said corruption. Sunny little Malta ain't what it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Looking forward to the pre match music “When the Dunder calls you.....” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said: What kind of sponsorship would you approve of? In my case just underwhelmed . Offshore betting company puts name on football shirt hardly original.It's just a shame rather than follow the herd we were unable to be more creative and use local companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 hours ago, RedM said: Oh great. Dunderhead means stupid person. Did no one research this ??? . So we have Bears and Dunderheads, really John Lansdown - the gift that keeps on giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said: But have other clubs preached about putting local business and the community first in the way we have? No idea. I don't really take much interest in that sort of thing. That said, most clubs (when prompted) will trot out something about being a community club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, hodge said: Roll or Boom according to google you talking 'bap' or forward roll? 40 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Now you've done it . "That's the way to do it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: No idea. I don't really take much interest in that sort of thing. That said, most clubs (when prompted) will trot out something about being a community club. I get most clubs say about supporting communities as rightly I think they should. But we were doing more than just talking the talk. We had actually backed that up and committed to a long term deal with a local construction company only to bail half way through because of a decent cup run that draw a bit of international attention to ourselves. The club/Bristol Sports should be embarrassed of themselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: No idea. I don't really take much interest in that sort of thing. That said, most clubs (when prompted) will trot out something about being a community club. We don't trot it out but say it is central to the whole BS philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, formerly known as ivan said: I get most clubs say about supporting communities as rightly I think they should. But we were doing more than just talking the talk. We had actually backed that up and committed to a long term deal with a local construction company only to bail half way through because of a decent cup run that draw a bit of international attention to ourselves. The club/Bristol Sports should be embarrassed of themselves! not really we've still got the community trust doing a lot of things far more then other clubs do, don't we stock local food and drink in the ground, provide advertising on the big screen and bill boards around ashton gate?, visit local schools and hospitals, we do far more locally then just one shirt sponsor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Awful awful looking logo, I hope that it's a very big financial improvement because I genuinely don't like the idea of owni9ng a kit with "dunder" on the front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Monkeh said: not really we've still got the community trust doing a lot of things far more then other clubs do, don't we stock local food and drink in the ground, provide advertising on the big screen and bill boards around ashton gate?, visit local schools and hospitals, we do far more locally then just one shirt sponsor True but a little more joined up thinking wouldn't go amiss. Instead we are left with the impression that what really counts with JL and the crew is money, money, money, wherever and however and from whom it is obtained (ref season ticket fiasco). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: not really we've still got the community trust doing a lot of things far more then other clubs do, don't we stock local food and drink in the ground, provide advertising on the big screen and bill boards around ashton gate?, visit local schools and hospitals, we do far more locally then just one shirt sponsor Most of which other clubs do. And let’s be honest, if the chance came along to ditch the local food/drink companies for something more mainstream it will happen! Only a matter of time before the coffee shop becomes a Costa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, Spike said: Awful awful looking logo, I hope that it's a very big financial improvement because I genuinely don't like the idea of owni9ng a kit with "dunder" on the front Oh I don't know think it might be rather suitable for some on this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, Monkeh said: alcohol does far more damage but it doesn't suit your moral outrage, mind you you seem to pick fault at everything anyway so it wouldn't surprise me if we were sponsored by oxfam you'd pick fault at it With members of staff and some fans being f****d by Bristol Sport, Oxfam would be a pretty relevant choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 As far as I can make out, everything the Post knows about Dunder is what they have gleaned from OTIB members who did all the investigative groundwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 An exclusive photo of the negotiating team that asked Lancer Scott if they wouldn't mind awfully stepping aside for a new sponsor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Any indication as to what time we're expecting the kit today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Corner Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Dunder only happens when it's raining Players only love you when they're playing Say Sponsers they will come and they will go When the rain washes you clean, you'll know, you'll know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Whether you agree with it or not, can people not be a bit more respectful to those who have deep reservations about our club being sponsored by an industry whose reputation and impact on our society is highly questionable? I entirely understand why people are uncomfortable with it - I know I am. Others will argue that alcohol advertising doesn’t get the same reaction - which is a fair point - but that doesn’t make the concerns any less justified. As I said in the other thread, I do think you can make a dinstinction between Mr Heineken setting up his brewery in 1864 and a start-up gambling company formed 2 years ago. I would suggest Mr Heineken’s intentions were a little more honest and less cynical. I do think it’s a shame we’re doing a deal with these sort of businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I am left wondering why a couple of Swedes feel the need to set up their tech business in Malta not Sweden Most Nordic gaming companies go to Malta because their gaming regulation is "friendlier" and the tax position is good, whereas the Nordic countries themselves have historically been far less supportive, or at least less clear about their long term intentions for online gaming regulations. Malta is now full of blonde people. That's not to say it's because Malta is a cowboy or unregulated market but the Maltese Gaming Authority (the local regulator) has been much clearer with the gaming companies on what the requirements and laws are, and has been able to host business. Most gaming companies are in Gibraltar or Malta and that includes the Ladbrokes, William Hill, Betfred, Betfair of this world that everyone has grown up with. I don't know about corruption in government but if you are worried about getting bumped off in Malta, the main risk is getting in a taxi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 True but a little more joined up thinking wouldn't go amiss. Instead we are left with the impression that what really counts with JL and the crew is money, money, money, wherever and however and from whom it is obtained (ref season ticket fiasco). Everything IS all about the money, the same people moaning about the sponsor would also be moaning if we didn't spend anything on attracting players and paying decent wages. If we get relegated they will say we should have gambled and bought player A. player B etc etc. We may as well just drop down the league 2 and have no sponsors at all because someone somewhere will be against any sponsor we have. It is just because you have personal issues with it being gambling it seems everyone else are completely wrong and immoral, but if it was alcohol you wouldn't like it but wouldn't object as much. It is all about opinions and everyone has one, but topics like this does not mean your opinion is more correct than the next persons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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