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Lorenzos Only Goal

Lorenzos Only Goal

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33 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

i'd wager people go off the rails more so by the adverts that are on every day on every live sports broadcast on the tv

Personally I find it quite sinister, I don't gamble (lottery/shares aside), but I do wonder how people with a predilection to gambling cope with the wall to wall coverage.  All the funny little quirks betting companies seem to be coming up with to get you more hooked I find quite disturbing. 

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8 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

Look at what misery those slots in shops have done, people who are addicted to those things are trapped, it is hideous that is why the Government slapped a maximum stake levy. You as a business don't have to sell out to these corrupt people, because that's what they are corrupt. Would anyone be happy that we would have a Pay Day loan Sponsor instead? I really cannot get my head around why some on here think it's a good deal, perhaps they are too 'coy' to say anything, and it's quite the macho thing to call yourself Cider something and gambling is just another thing that lad's do, innit. 

FOBTs are different than an online casino, and there is plenty of evidence out there to back that up.

When you are in a bookies or arcade it is a lot easier to become addicted due to actually being there "live" and playing continuously. These high stakes games should not be on the high street and never should have been, and should be in a regulated Casino, and the Government has finally seen sense as they have ruined many peoples lives who never even gambled before their introduction. The bookies used to actually have staff ask people into their shops peddling these machines like drug dealers, staff had to hit targets on them also, play the machines free to win some competition and then get free spins and then you go back the next day with your free money you've won for nothing. The bookies done absolutely nothing to stop people feeding non stop notes in them, putting money on their cards, laundering money through them, smashing machines up rarely got the Police involved either etc etc. Yet many punters couldn't get £20 on a horse because the bookies didn't need those punters and would turn them away. New books opening next to each other just to get machines in, opening in more deprived areas etc - they deserved to be looked into by the Government. A sponsor on a shirt will not be enticing the numbers that the FOBTs in the shops have - especially from people who never gambled before on anything.

Are online casinos getting people in financial trouble - yes they will do, but percentage wise it will not be nowhere near as high as the FOBTs. Until the club are giving codes for free spins and peddling this online Casino I will not lose any sleep over it.

If it was up to me there would be no advertising for Gambling anywhere - and I do think that will come at some point.

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1 minute ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

Personally I find it quite sinister, I don't gamble (lottery/shares aside), but I do wonder how people with a predilection to gambling cope with the wall to wall coverage.  All the funny little quirks betting companies seem to be coming up with to get you more hooked I find quite disturbing. 

So you do gamble then? People can do almost anything irresponsibly, but at some point they have to take some responsibility for their own actions, the vast, vast majority of people are not problem gamblers, and I would hazard that the largest majority of gambling establishments money comes from people who don't bet their house on the football, so if I decide tomorrow to max out all my credit and stick it all on the football and loose, is that bet 365's fault or mine? Just like the vast majority of people who drink aren't alcoholics. 

I am struggling to think of a sector in business that can be considered moral, they are there to make money, nothing more, and largely should be considered amoral in my eyes. 

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17 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

Will it stop stop us signing Muslim players in the future? One of our youth players who’s just signed a pro contract is the only Muslim I know at our club, any others?

Why would that make a difference? All the shirts have sky bet on the sleeves.....

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2 hours ago, havanatopia said:

According to City yesterday they were a world wide brand; today they are a 20 strong group of chaps in a Maltese shed. Which just goes to prove that if want to make pots of cash and fast you either go into online gaming and fleece the f--k out of the vulnerable and easily addicted or you sell them a packet of the white stuff on the street corner; much the same end result really; you end up bankrupt or dead.

No surprise a person is chilled when they have a money calculator permanently on the wall of the shed ticking over at the rate of £76 a second.

This made me laugh:- Our shared values alongside Dunder’s commitment to promoting responsible gambling ... I mean please, who are these people trying to kid. There is no such thing as 'responsible gambling' . City are starting to treat their fans like gullible idiots.

I thought SL and City were better than this I really did. 

OK I get that football is now a business, but what I don't get is how crass our pr is and how unethical our actions.  We appear to be becoming more amateur in our business approach and more amoral.  I don't like this along with many others.

Of course we realise we can't turn the clock back to the Corinthian spirit of football, but we could at least operate professionally and wisely, with just as much, if not more, success than the present embarrassing set up.

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2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

as I'm sat watching the cricket, the last 5 breaks there has been an online betting advert, I'd wager that was more damaging then it being on the front of a second division club's kit  

I don’t think anyone would dispute that. But it all feeds into a bombardment of wall-to-wall advertising and a gambling culture that is arguably damaging for society as a whole. Some say “take responsibility for yourself”, but what about looking after vulnerable people who struggle to make sensible decisions? Often those vulnerable people are the ones who need the money the most. Just because there are more influential gambling influences on the telly and elsewhere doesn’t make it right. Perhaps some of us naively wish our club didn’t have to be a part of it out of principle. I understand the financial argument in favour of this deal, but I’m not comfortable with my club doing business dealings with these grubby companies.

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1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I don’t think anyone would dispute that. But it all feeds into a bombardment of wall-to-wall advertising and a gambling culture that is arguably damaging for society as a whole. Some say “take responsibility for yourself”, but what about looking after vulnerable people who struggle to make sensible decisions? Often those vulnerable people are the ones who need the money the most. Just because there are more influential gambling influences on the telly and elsewhere doesn’t make it right. Perhaps some of us naively wish our club didn’t have to be a part of it out of principle. I understand the financial argument in favour of this deal, but I’m not comfortable with my club doing business dealings with these grubby companies.

Let's just be nice old Bristol City and let every other club push on with high paying sponsors then whilst we take a back seat shall we? 

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2 minutes ago, Robin TBW said:

Let's just be nice old Bristol City and let every other club push on with high paying sponsors then whilst we take a back seat shall we? 

Is that what I said?

I’m willing to accept it might be a necessary evil, but that doesn’t mean I can’t express my regret at the direction the game has taken.

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1 hour ago, Ivorguy said:

OK I get that football is now a business, but what I don't get is how crass our pr is and how unethical our actions.  We appear to be becoming more amateur in our business approach and more amoral.  I don't like this along with many others.

Of course we realise we can't turn the clock back to the Corinthian spirit of football, but we could at least operate professionally and wisely, with just as much, if not more, success than the present embarrassing set up.

The current set up is a hell of a lot more professional than the last few decades. You seem to move the goalposts to suit every argument you have. 

 

3 minutes ago, Robin TBW said:

Let's just be nice old Bristol City and let every other club push on with high paying sponsors then whilst we take a back seat shall we? 

Exactly this. The likes of @Ivorguy seem to wish the club 'pushed themselves to the top flight' and are 'amateur'  but when steps are taken to move in that direction it's 'ruthless and unethical'

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5 minutes ago, Icelandic Clap said:

The current set up is a hell of a lot more professional than the last few decades. You seem to move the goalposts to suit every argument you have. 

 

Exactly this. The likes of @Ivorguy seem to wish the club 'pushed themselves to the top flight' and are 'amateur'  but when steps are taken to move in that direction it's 'ruthless and unethical'

Is the Icelandic clap painful 

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10 hours ago, Olé said:

I've done LOTS of business with Malta based Swedish gaming folk, and if it helps anyone, you could not meet nicer more decent people. I understand that people have issues with the morality of gaming and rightly so in some cases, but this at least should put your mind at rest about businesses in far off lands that are syphoning money into despot regimes. Swedish techies in Malta are about as chilled and well meaning as you could find.

I've done work for them too. A friend is based out there as their PR guy.

Maybe I'll get a few freebies! :fingerscrossed:

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1 hour ago, Icelandic Clap said:

The current set up is a hell of a lot more professional than the last few decades. You seem to move the goalposts to suit every argument you have. 

 

Exactly this. The likes of @Ivorguy seem to wish the club 'pushed themselves to the top flight' and are 'amateur'  but when steps are taken to move in that direction it's 'ruthless and unethical'

Let's have it right, he'd complain regardless of who sponsors us.

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1 hour ago, Northern Red said:

Let's have it right, he'd complain regardless of who sponsors us.

Why you should contribute such a silly response I have no idea.  To object to online betting sponsors seems to me and many others a totally reasonable view to take.  It is yours and others who think it is ok that are living in some unreconstructed past. 

if you and a few others are unable to see the general direction BS is taking us then so be it.

Do you really believe that after all these years of failed plans SL et al will take us to the top league, then I beg to differ.  Everything I see and have seen for too long suggests otherwise.

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8 hours ago, lenred said:

Quite agree CR. It’s a shame some people are being so narcy towards others because of an opinion that they hold. It seems that to many we just have to blindly accept every decision the club makes. And whilst we may have to accept it we can still debate it and disagree with it if that’s how we feel and should be able to do so on here. 

Agreed, after all, that's what democracy is suppose to be all about!

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