spudski Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 ....interesting article, which makes you think of a lot of questions... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/04/yaya-toure-pep-guardiola-manchester-city-break-myth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 makes me think YaYa is off on one again, its just another in a long line of outbursts from him, He wasn't being picked because he wasn't as good as he use to be, he was poor when he played against us, I mean Pep must have a massive problem with africans because its not as if he's about to spend 75 million plus on an algeran (which is in africa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, spudski said: ....interesting article, which makes you think of a lot of questions... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/04/yaya-toure-pep-guardiola-manchester-city-break-myth Surprised this wasn't on here last night when it was all over twitter. Certainly is interesting, experienced professional like Yaya Toure, who despite the stuff about birthday cakes, you wouldn't have though would be the sort to make such a statement lightly. If I were Toure though I'd be asking myself why he thinks Pep's not picked a team with 5 Africans in it. Is it because there are more quality European, South American, and Asian players or is it genuinely down to racism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Pretty sure Man City have players in that XI who are black. And as for Barcelona if Superman was black he would struggle to live up to Barcelona's midfield. God is not prejudiced … Stupidity knows no boundary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Isn't Toure just a now old pain in the arse player? I wouldn't have thought Pep would have any issue with selecting, say, Albert Adomah who has a superb attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Bitter man after not getting offered a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Yaya loves an overreaction. Obviously bitter over the situation he's found himself in now his legs have started to go. De Bruyne, Fernandinho and Silva are all better than him. I expect he'll regret these comments a few years down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Think the bloke is ever so slightly delusional about his importance and ability. Undoubtedly a very very good player but he only seemed to turn it on when he felt like it and he was massively lazy in a lot of games. How could he expect to be in the City team with those ‘attributes’? Comparing himself to Buffon and Iniesta also makes me laugh, he was nowhere near that level if you ask me. He could’ve moved on the last few summers (Inter were massively interested iirc) but he evidently wanted to keep the money he was on which wouldn’t have been matched elsewhere. Can’t have it both ways. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Yaya was not in the Man City team last year simply because he is / was, in no way was suitable for the type of football they play. I find it hard to believe that there was any other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Taking away any personal agenda by Yaya...the quote that got me thinking was this one... Pep likes to dominate and wants to have obedient players who lick his hands,” said Touré. “I do not like this kind of relationship. I respect my coach but I am not his thing. Like all players I have bickered with my coaches. But at a certain point men who do not understand each other reconcile. This is not possible with Pep, who is very rigid. The other players will never admit it publicly but some have already told me that they ended up hating him. Because he manipulates and plays a lot with your head.” It's an interesting insight from a Professional footballer. As a manager or coach, I often think the what you want from a player is trust, belief in what you are doing, and 100% commitment. It's a bit like being an officer at War, and getting your men to die for you and the 'belief'. You don't want someone in the heat of the battle questioning things...you want a belief and commitment to do as you've been asked....to run through brick walls for you. So many scenarios happen during coaching when you have Professionals questioning what you are asking. Perhaps what Yaa is missing in his last sentence about 'messing with your head', is that maybe a good thing to win games as a Professional footballer. Outside of football maybe differently...but you need belief, commitment etc to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Major Isewater Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 44 minutes ago, lenred said: Think the bloke is ever so slightly delusional about his importance and ability. Undoubtedly a very very good player but he only seemed to turn it on when he felt like it and he was massively lazy in a lot of games. How could he expect to be in the City team with those ‘attributes’? Comparing himself to Buffon and Iniesta also makes me laugh, he was nowhere near that level if you ask me. He could’ve moved on the last few summers (Inter were massively interested iirc) but he evidently wanted to keep the money he was on which wouldn’t have been matched elsewhere. Can’t have it both ways. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Oh he's a buffoon alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, spudski said: Taking away any personal agenda by Yaya...the quote that got me thinking was this one... Pep likes to dominate and wants to have obedient players who lick his hands,” said Touré. “I do not like this kind of relationship. I respect my coach but I am not his thing. Like all players I have bickered with my coaches. But at a certain point men who do not understand each other reconcile. This is not possible with Pep, who is very rigid. The other players will never admit it publicly but some have already told me that they ended up hating him. Because he manipulates and plays a lot with your head.” It's an interesting insight from a Professional footballer. As a manager or coach, I often think the what you want from a player is trust, belief in what you are doing, and 100% commitment. It's a bit like being an officer at War, and getting your men to die for you and the 'belief'. You don't want someone in the heat of the battle questioning things...you want a belief and commitment to do as you've been asked....to run through brick walls for you. So many scenarios happen during coaching when you have Professionals questioning what you are asking. Perhaps what Yaa is missing in his last sentence about 'messing with your head', is that maybe a good thing to win games as a Professional footballer. Outside of football maybe differently...but you need belief, commitment etc to win games. This all explains why Pep has never won anything in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Super said: Bitter man after not getting offered a contract. Black man complains about possible mistreatment due to being African. White people = he must be bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, Collis1 said: Black man complains about possible mistreatment due to being African. White people = he must be bitter. How do you know were white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, RUSSEL85 said: How do you know were white? You're right, I don't know for certain. However, I'd say its an educated guess that most people on here are white! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, Collis1 said: You're right, I don't know for certain. However, I'd say its an educated guess that most people on here are white! You do know that profile picture isnt really me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted June 5, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 In the interview Yaya seems to accept it's not to do with colour of skin as naturalized Africans dont count. It's more attitudinal. Seems like LJ isn't the only one who doesn't like Mavericks in his squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said: You do know that profile picture isnt really me That's you behind though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, lenred said: Comparing himself to Buffon and Iniesta also makes me laugh, he was nowhere near that level if you ask me. They are club legends. Iniesta spent his whole career to date at Barca, and Buffon has played over 500 games for Juve in the last 17 years. Toure, although has done wonders at Man City, shouldn't of been expecting the same send off like he is. He thought he'd have everyone wearing his shirt number etc, the same as Birthday Cake saga. And his ego is the main reasons behind these comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J.Thribb Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Yaya goes gaga...again. Such a bitter bugger, ain't he!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Manager and former player didn't get on - shocker! It happens at every club. Next time someone slags off LJ for not getting along with his players I'll mention Pep..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 49 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: This all explains why Pep has never won anything in his career. Yep, he's been really lucky where ever he's been...err... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, Collis1 said: You're right, I don't know for certain. However, I'd say its an educated guess that most people on here are white! Educated??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: That's you behind though ! Below.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, spudski said: Taking away any personal agenda by Yaya...the quote that got me thinking was this one... Pep likes to dominate and wants to have obedient players who lick his hands,” said Touré. “I do not like this kind of relationship. I respect my coach but I am not his thing. Like all players I have bickered with my coaches. But at a certain point men who do not understand each other reconcile. This is not possible with Pep, who is very rigid. The other players will never admit it publicly but some have already told me that they ended up hating him. Because he manipulates and plays a lot with your head.” It's an interesting insight from a Professional footballer. As a manager or coach, I often think the what you want from a player is trust, belief in what you are doing, and 100% commitment. It's a bit like being an officer at War, and getting your men to die for you and the 'belief'. You don't want someone in the heat of the battle questioning things...you want a belief and commitment to do as you've been asked....to run through brick walls for you. So many scenarios happen during coaching when you have Professionals questioning what you are asking. Perhaps what Yaa is missing in his last sentence about 'messing with your head', is that maybe a good thing to win games as a Professional footballer. Outside of football maybe differently...but you need belief, commitment etc to win games. Sounds like Alex Ferguson at Man Utd and his "hairdryer" approach to anyone who didn't do what they were told. And as you say that also worked. Apparently Gordon Strachan had a similar resistance to being told what to do by Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, spudski said: Taking away any personal agenda by Yaya...the quote that got me thinking was this one... Pep likes to dominate and wants to have obedient players who lick his hands,” said Touré. “I do not like this kind of relationship. I respect my coach but I am not his thing. Like all players I have bickered with my coaches. But at a certain point men who do not understand each other reconcile. This is not possible with Pep, who is very rigid. The other players will never admit it publicly but some have already told me that they ended up hating him. Because he manipulates and plays a lot with your head.” It's an interesting insight from a Professional footballer. As a manager or coach, I often think the what you want from a player is trust, belief in what you are doing, and 100% commitment. It's a bit like being an officer at War, and getting your men to die for you and the 'belief'. You don't want someone in the heat of the battle questioning things...you want a belief and commitment to do as you've been asked....to run through brick walls for you. So many scenarios happen during coaching when you have Professionals questioning what you are asking. Perhaps what Yaa is missing in his last sentence about 'messing with your head', is that maybe a good thing to win games as a Professional footballer. Outside of football maybe differently...but you need belief, commitment etc to win games. Might be something in that- Ibrahimovic had issues with Pep, perhaps something similar? Racism? Nah, can't see it. The reason he didn't start so much for Barcelona was because Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta in their pomp- all that needs to be said. At Man City under Pep, ageing by now and their current midfield 3 works so well, then Gundogan next in line that he's always going to struggle a tad for gametime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Sounds like Alex Ferguson at Man Utd and his "hairdryer" approach to anyone who didn't do what they were told. And as you say that also worked. Apparently Gordon Strachan had a similar resistance to being told what to do by Ferguson. 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Might be something in that- Ibrahimovic had issues with Pep, perhaps something similar? Racism? Nah, can't see it. The reason he didn't start so much for Barcelona was because Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta in their pomp- all that needs to be said. At Man City under Pep, ageing by now and their current midfield 3 works so well, then Gundogan next in line that he's always going to struggle a tad for gametime... I get what you're saying...but AF is a very astute man manager, not just a hairdryer...he used that when needed, but his actual man management skills are immense. As for Ibra...or any 'maverick'...it all comes down to risk and reward. You need to allow a player to express themselves when they can, but also do the donkey work when needed and not let their team mates down. It's when things are going wrong the 'mavericks' show their class in all aspects of the game and as people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, spudski said: I get what you're saying...but AF is a very astute man manager, not just a hairdryer...he used that when needed, but his actual man management skills are immense. As for Ibra...or any 'maverick'...it all comes down to risk and reward. You need to allow a player to express themselves when they can, but also do the donkey work when needed and not let their team mates down. It's when things are going wrong the 'mavericks' show their class in all aspects of the game and as people. I don't really agree with that. He had a string of high profile players leave with bad grace - Staam, Beckham, Ronaldo - and the core of his team were the half dozen that came through the youth programme together and knew nothing else. The only "difficult" player he really dealt with was Keane and he was more like a lieutenant for Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, spudski said: Taking away any personal agenda by Yaya...the quote that got me thinking was this one... Pep likes to dominate and wants to have obedient players who lick his hands,” said Touré. “I do not like this kind of relationship. I respect my coach but I am not his thing. Like all players I have bickered with my coaches. But at a certain point men who do not understand each other reconcile. This is not possible with Pep, who is very rigid. The other players will never admit it publicly but some have already told me that they ended up hating him. Because he manipulates and plays a lot with your head.” It's an interesting insight from a Professional footballer. As a manager or coach, I often think the what you want from a player is trust, belief in what you are doing, and 100% commitment. It's a bit like being an officer at War, and getting your men to die for you and the 'belief'. You don't want someone in the heat of the battle questioning things...you want a belief and commitment to do as you've been asked....to run through brick walls for you. So many scenarios happen during coaching when you have Professionals questioning what you are asking. Perhaps what Yaa is missing in his last sentence about 'messing with your head', is that maybe a good thing to win games as a Professional footballer. Outside of football maybe differently...but you need belief, commitment etc to win games. If he does not buy into the methodology, is not integrated into the approach he, or anybody would have to be an exceptional human being for this not to affect their performance. Looking at players at Barcelona, the great, and the team at its peak the players are integrated to a degree that the approach Is internalised Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets were part of a machine - They sacrifice themselves to the team and its methodology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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