RedRock Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 27 minutes ago, Leveller said: It’s certainly depressing how many of our fans are prepared to accept the views of a handful of anonymous Norwich fans as if it was gospel. I think we’re all frustrated by our lamentable January window. ... which, for many, raised serious doubts whether our recruiting system was ‘fit for purpose’. We've had enough of ‘ones for the future’ and ‘punts’. We need to turnaround an absolutely hopeless second part of the season...if we carry that form into the next season we will be relegated. We need 3-4 Mr Dependable, Championship-class leaders to give us some additional backbone. Put the fans comments aside and the one goal in twenty seven appearances....the manager’s reported comments are the worry. Anyhow, as others have said LJ has a track record with players who had form/attitude issues with previous Clubs. Sure though he’ll turn out to be a world beater and a cracking bargain like the rest. Pity we couldn’t have found this money last season to buy Ollie Watkins from our local area. Clearly, our recruiting system saw him, and any other Exeter Academy product it seems, as not worth bothering with. You watch that lad just bought by PNE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Leveller said: It’s certainly depressing how many of our fans are prepared to accept the views of a handful of anonymous Norwich fans as if it was gospel. I don't think that's the case, I've had nothing but negative feedback from the Norwich fans and whilst it does concern me it's clear to see that we've had plenty of players who didn't perform for us but has gone on to do wonders at other clubs and vice versa. I'm not judging him yet, but I do worry that he may need to hit the ground running to avoid abuse from a lot of our fans due to the testimonials of some of the Norwich fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Spike said: I do worry that he may need to hit the ground running to avoid abuse from a lot of our fans He won’t be the only ex Barnsley that this applies to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 48 minutes ago, Moor2Sea said: So your original comment ... one of his weaknesses is crossing - does that not greatly concern you? From your comments, he’s limited defensively and appears not to be a finisher (1 goal from 27 appearances last season). So where does he exactly fit into LJs system? I assume in the middle doing little short passes, cutting in and narrowing the pitch allowing the opposition time to build their massed ranked defensive walls ala LJ in his prime. Haven’t we already got loads of these players? Didn’t Kent more than amply demonstrate that this is a hopeless tactic? I think it’s the Adomah like players of this world we need - who seem to be much loved by their current and ex Clubs (managers and fans) for some reason. Anyhow, let’s be optimistic and hope our brilliant scouting system haven’t ended up squandering another couple of million. If they have I fear for LJ. If we want to play a certain way, then you have to have players that can rotate and fit in seemlessly to the system as well as having other options when needed. Look at what happened last season when we had so many injuries...we couldn't adequately replace odowda and Pisano. We ended up make do and mending. Some players however good they are don't fit certain systems. This signing looks like a fit to our style. Look at Tomlin...a good player on his day, but didn't fit with us. It's about funding players that can play our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 He will be like every other new signing Judged in the first 10 minutes of his first game After that first judgement views can not be changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, spudski said: If we want to play a certain way, then you have to have players that can rotate and fit in seemlessly to the system as well as having other options when needed. Look at what happened last season when we had so many injuries...we couldn't adequately replace odowda and Pisano. We ended up make do and mending. Some players however good they are don't fit certain systems. This signing looks like a fit to our style. Look at Tomlin...a good player on his day, but didn't fit with us. It's about funding players that can play our way. But the problems arose when we did have a full squad, not when we didn’t. November/December we played the best football with the smallest squad available. Think facts bear out those sides using the least number of players used and consistent tactics perform better over a season. Always take a specialist player ‘excellent at his job’ over a utility ‘does everything but not particularly well’ sort of player. The latter way is the way to create a bang average side who can never compete with the excellents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Spike said: I don't think that's the case, I've had nothing but negative feedback from the Norwich fans and whilst it does concern me it's clear to see that we've had plenty of players who didn't perform for us but has gone on to do wonders at other clubs and vice versa. I'm not judging him yet, but I do worry that he may need to hit the ground running to avoid abuse from a lot of our fans due to the testimonials of some of the Norwich fans. Burton fans would probably be surprised by our reaction to Woodrow who couldn't get regular game time with us but was wanted by them . What sort of report would we send them ? My reaction is that LJ knows the lad and has a good chance of getting him up and running again. If he does well , the price tag is a bargain. If he flops again well it's back to league 1 for a smaller fee but he'll have takers . No lose really . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Moor2Sea said: But the problems arose when we did have a full squad, not when we didn’t. November/December we played the best football with the smallest squad available. Think facts bear out those sides using the least number of players used and consistent tactics perform better over a season. Always take a specialist player ‘excellent at his job’ over a utility ‘does everything but not particularly well’ sort of player. The latter way is the way to create a bang average side who can never compete with the excellents. It's been debated so many times on here as to why results went backwards...so many different factors. They all culminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: In my favourite time of following our club we had Howard Pritchard, Alan Crawford and Alan Walsh who did just that and then a while later we had Dave Smith and Mark Gavin providing ammo from the wings....I don’t agree that we have ‘never’ had wingers... Beat me to it. I recall an Easter game v Fulham (5-1 I think), where every free-kick, we just took short and gave it to either of those and they terrorised them. One of my favourite City performances of 40 years of watching. We even went 1-0 Down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, spudski said: It's been debated so many times on here as to why results went backwards...so many different factors. They all culminated. OK.... just one final thing Given your appraisal of the player what will Watkins bring different to Kent who was totally ineffective in LJs system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Marley Watkins is unan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Always good to get the first signing on board. Welcome to the club, Marley. Looking forward to seeing him play. This thread sure has covered a lot of topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggersno1Fan Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, havanatopia said: Excuses and criticisms are both before and after the game as regular as clockwork since late December. How many games did Maggs feature in since that now infamous public flogging of the lad? Perhaps these are a trademark 'for the future remarks' exercise made public now and like players for the future can be revisited when the comments are older, stronger and wiser. Maybe like the 'new' Robin logo released now but one for the future. I hope he has a good game time I really do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 I'm unconvinced by this signing- could be a useful squad player maybe but as far as I know he didn't get many goals or assists last year which isn't a great indicator. I don't see midfield- subject to the right system and setup being ussd- as an area that needs major strengthening at this time either- money could have IMO been put to better use. Hope for the best but is Marley Watkins what we're looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Issue in my view is, is he better than what we already have? Should always be making signings that either better your starting 11, or are for the future. Unless the club are planning on a few of a wide players leaving, then this signing does not make sense to me. Hopefully we see better come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Let's assume Plan A was found out and duly countered by opposition (actually Plan A was surely Reid and Diedhiou- I'd call Paterson behind Reid Plan A Plus IMO). I think consistent niggling injuries a bigger factor tbh. Plan B as was though had a fair few weaknesses- a proper Plan B might have seen something like: Fielding Pisano/Wright Baker Flint Bryan/Kelly/Magnússon Brownhill Smith Pack Paterson Bryan Reid Don't see how Watkins would improve on that tbh. Vs certain sides Paterson and Bryan could have roamed in and out, wide and inside. Brownhill Smith Pack as a bona fide midfield 3, don't quite get LJ's aversion to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Let's assume Plan A was found out and duly countered by opposition (actually Plan A was surely Reid and Diedhiou- I'd call Paterson behind Reid Plan A Plus IMO). I think consistent niggling injuries a bigger factor tbh. Plan B as was though had a fair few weaknesses- a proper Plan B might have seen something like: Fielding Pisano/Wright Baker Flint Bryan/Kelly/Magnússon Brownhill Smith Pack Paterson Bryan Reid Don't see how Watkins would improve on that tbh. Vs certain sides Paterson and Bryan could have roamed in and out, wide and inside. Brownhill Smith Pack as a bona fide midfield 3, don't quite get LJ's aversion to it. I think Watkins has been signed to: allow Brownhill to compete in the CM role. play off Diedhiou competing with Pato - he’s a willing runner, and physical too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Let's assume Plan A was found out and duly countered by opposition (actually Plan A was surely Reid and Diedhiou- I'd call Paterson behind Reid Plan A Plus IMO). I think consistent niggling injuries a bigger factor tbh. Plan B as was though had a fair few weaknesses- a proper Plan B might have seen something like: Fielding Pisano/Wright Baker Flint Bryan/Kelly/Magnússon Brownhill Smith Pack Paterson Bryan Reid Don't see how Watkins would improve on that tbh. Vs certain sides Paterson and Bryan could have roamed in and out, wide and inside. Brownhill Smith Pack as a bona fide midfield 3, don't quite get LJ's aversion to it. I would be looking at a 4-2-3-1 with, say, Watkins, Paterson and O'Dowda as the 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 minute ago, chinapig said: I would be looking at a 4-2-3-1 with say Watkins, Paterson and O'Dowda as the 3. I'm still thinking of 4-3-3- but then I'm still kidding myself that we don't sell anyone. However that sounds a decent setup IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I'm still thinking of 4-3-3- but then I'm still kidding myself that we don't sell anyone. However that sounds a decent setup IMO. I just think the 2 makes us potentially more solid as we're too open in midfield imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Beat me to it. I recall an Easter game v Fulham (5-1 I think), where every free-kick, we just took short and gave it to either of those and they terrorised them. One of my favourite City performances of 40 years of watching. We even went 1-0 Down. I remember that one well, those two tore em apart down the flanks...the season we finished second in div 3 to some tinpot outfit who still crow about it. We had over 16k in The Gate that day if I recall correctly....wonder when the tinpots last had a crowd like that, let alone in the third tier?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 7 hours ago, JBFC II said: He's an out and out winger who was played in a number 10 role for Norwich who play with wing backs, I don't think we can tell too much from that really I was going to say I thought he played more as a forward there and everyone said he didn’t score. Imagine that isn’t his best attribute scoring. Him and COD could be a very industrial wing pair which may help defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: I think Watkins has been signed to: allow Brownhill to compete in the CM role. play off Diedhiou competing with Pato - he’s a willing runner, and physical too Is that it??? I'm a willing runner, physical,and much cheaper!!.. It's not the way forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Story so far. New player signs. Thread gets swamped by A) People writing off the new signing before a ball is kicked B) People with an OTT dislike of LJ attempting to discredit everything they can With a little of C) Posters actually providing some common sense in response to the muppets that occupy the criteria of A and B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 7 hours ago, chinapig said: I just think the 2 makes us potentially more solid as we're too open in midfield imo. I think 3 in midfield the way to go- because thinking about it, Smith, Pack, Brownhill as a 3 is a very well balanced combo IMO. Combining as it does steel, silk and drive- security as well if team setup right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 43 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Story so far. New player signs. Thread gets swamped by A) People writing off the new signing before a ball is kicked B) People with an OTT dislike of LJ attempting to discredit everything they can With a little of C) Posters actually providing some common sense in response to the muppets that occupy the criteria of A and B. Don’t forget Category D D) Posters who genuinely have no idea what are the attributes of the player we’ve signed, what position he will play and how he will improve us. (and mostly think our recruitment system is shit as compared to our direct competitors - the likes of Preston and Brentford) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Constant Rabbit Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 already covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Robert the bruce said: Is that it??? I'm a willing runner, physical,and much cheaper!!.. It's not the way forwards. But have you got Championship experience ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Im optimistic as always, this is our fourth season in this leauge. Every season we have progressed in the table. Last season we were 11, ok but dissapointing when we was doing so well first half of the season. Injuries and January window was not good. Think its looks ok even if Reid and Bryan leaves. Taylor, Odowda, Famara and Pisano are fit. Probably we will replace Reid with a good forward. Eliasson hopefully will be in the starting eleven. Norwich guy, we will see. Kelly, Vyner and other young players we also have. Thank god we are not in the Villa situation, they have to sell 50 mil in two windows to keep the Club running. Our situation is a walk in the park compare to Villas. So all and all I think it looks ok. We are now established in this leauge and thats is in the plans. Think the goal this season is top six. We are learning and we move forward, thats the mainthing. COYR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 18 hours ago, Davefevs said: Beat me to it. I recall an Easter game v Fulham (5-1 I think), where every free-kick, we just took short and gave it to either of those and they terrorised them. One of my favourite City performances of 40 years of watching. We even went 1-0 Down. My first ever City game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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