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England v Panama Match Day Thread

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Looking forward to this one following a reasonable start against Tunisia, though Belgium showed yesterday how it should be done. 1pm kick off for anyone who might have forgotten.

Seems like Deli Ali is out and will be replaced by Loftus-Cheek. I've not seen too much of him, but hope he does well.  Rashford in for Sterling, maybe.  I have been a bit disappointed with Raheem's goal tally, though his end product at international level seems to be lacking a bit too.

We need quite a few goals now to match Belgium's goal difference if we want to be in with a chance of winning the group with a draw against them.  I can't see that happening though as Panama seem to keep 11 behind the ball.

I would certainly like to see England being a bit more adventurous against teams like this and hope that Gareth doesn't have to shoulder the blame for a dislocated performance. The Belgium game is of course the one to test our mettle on Thursday.

I've been picking up some of the games on BBC 4k.  Anyone like to comment on their 4k experience.  For me, going back th HD after watching 4k was like going back to SD after watching HD.

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Nizhny Novgorod looking fantastic in the sun, the stadium a little futuristic from the distance and hoping for a solid but not spectacular win. We don't want to finish first surely!

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Loftus cheek could really give Southgate a head ache with a strong performance today. Has been very impressive in an England shirt, and Tunisia couldn't cope with him when he came on. I'm not so sure on rashford yet though. He might well have a great game today, but doesn't do it consistently against top opposition. Would like to see how he gets on against a strong side like Belgium before deciding to pick him in front of sterling, who has been superb in recent friendlies, and had a much better season at club level than rashford. Panama looked bloody awful I thought against Belgium. Would be surprised if they can cope with our pace and movement. 

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Panama defended solidly for about 70 minutes v Belgium, were lucky to only be one down, but then tired badly. I can see the same thing happening today.

It would be nice to go a couple up early doors though and have a comfortable win for once mind!

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29 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Panama defended solidly for about 70 minutes v Belgium, were lucky to only be one down, but then tired badly. I can see the same thing happening today.

It would be nice to go a couple up early doors though and have a comfortable win for once mind!

Just like Tunisia yesterday they’ll have to be more attacking really as it’s all or bust 

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I hope we don't try going all out intense early, it's supposedly 30 degrees plus and I could see us tiring early in second half if we go for it with high intensity. 

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According to my wall chart wouldn't it be better to avoid winning the group due to Germany's loss to Mexico. The group runner up would play maybe Senegal or Poland and then Mexico in the quarters.

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2 minutes ago, Redsox said:

According to my wall chart wouldn't it be better to avoid winning the group due to Germany's loss to Mexico. The group runner up would play maybe Senegal or Poland and then Mexico in the quarters.

Yeah I've said that, not getting a result vs Belgium really wouldn't be bad 

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Currently stood outside my local shop waiting for the alcoholic’s to come round so I can ask them to get my cider, failing that I’m gonna have to go home and dig out my glasses/big nose/moustache disguise. 

Note to self-buy alcohol on the night before an early game. 

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33 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Sterling keeps his place apparently.

I may be in a minority of one but I'm quite pleased by that, Rashford seems to have far more impact when he comes on a sub  Sterling seems to start like a train then lose momentum .

Could someone please explain how Ashley Young is the preferred choice over Danny Rose

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34 minutes ago, SuperRed said:

Nooooooooo. 

Think this is his last chance in terms of starting , opposition that we should win against easily. I think if he doesn’t perform then Rashford will play Thursday 

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20 minutes ago, hodge said:

Yeah I've said that, not getting a result vs Belgium really wouldn't be bad 

If not winning the group is preferable, surely the ideal scenario would be a draw with Belgium and finish second on goal difference. Better to avoid the psychological damage of a defeat.

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22 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

So now dunder is our kit sponsor, if I buy the shirt I am more likely to become a gambling addict? What absolute nonsense. Gambling is something that brings a lot of joy to people, just like many other addictive things like alcohol, food, sex, otib! Almost anything can be addictive. As long as it doesnt say something like heroin or crack cocaine on our shirt, then pretty much anything goes as far as I'm concerned. 

So what about Wonga for example, or any of the other payday loan scumbags? Similar target sectors of the population to gambling firms in terms of majority of their revenues I would have thought?

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12 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

If not winning the group is preferable, surely the ideal scenario would be a draw with Belgium and finish second on goal difference. Better to avoid the psychological damage of a defeat.

Either way, just dont finish top of the group. Can picture Southgate today 'alright lads just don't score too many' .... 'not a problem boss'

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30 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

I may be in a minority of one but I'm quite pleased by that, Rashford seems to have far more impact when he comes on a sub  Sterling seems to start like a train then lose momentum .

Could someone please explain how Ashley Young is the preferred choice over Danny Rose

Agree and agree. Danny rose has to be in over young. Or if lack of game time is the problem then play Delph, who is a regular on the left for guardiola, so if he's good enough for him then surely he's good enough for england. A few times young had to get it in early and took too long by cutting it back onto his right foot. It does have some advantages being able to do that, but not such a great weapon when he does it every single time.

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Sterling keeps his place apparently.

 

1 hour ago, hodge said:

Yeah I've said that, not getting a result vs Belgium really wouldn't be bad 

If England win today I would hope for Southgate to unashamedly 'shuffle the pack for that Belgium game......minimum four changes to today's starting eleven,then again fairly early from the bench-and hope the players don't Ball's it up for him!!

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2 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

Nizhny Novgorod looking fantastic in the sun, the stadium a little futuristic from the distance and hoping for a solid but not spectacular win. We don't want to finish first surely!

Due to venture out in a short while. 

Hopefully it has cooled down since yesterday: was cracking the flags at 3pm.

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38 minutes ago, Savino said:

So what about Wonga for example, or any of the other payday loan scumbags? Similar target sectors of the population to gambling firms in terms of majority of their revenues I would have thought?

Well where do you draw the line on morals and stupidity then?

How about Brighthouse? 

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1 hour ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

I may be in a minority of one but I'm quite pleased by that, Rashford seems to have far more impact when he comes on a sub  Sterling seems to start like a train then lose momentum .

Could someone please explain how Ashley Young is the preferred choice over Danny Rose

I can only assume he possesses Kompromat on Southgate. 

Whilst I wanted him turfed, I guess the inclusion of both him and Sterling means I can alternate the subject of my foul-mouthed venting.

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22 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

 

If England win today I would hope for Southgate unashamedly 'shuffle the pack for that Belgium game......minimum four changes to today's starting eleven,then again fairly early from the bench-and hope the players don't Ball's it up for him!!

Martinez was already saying that the 3 taken off Vs Tunisia would probably miss the England game, true or trying for 2nd place ? Who knows. 
First thing is win the game, qualify and then worry about what lies ahead. We, on our day , can lose to anyone so we have to be careful what we wish for. But the route does look to be a little easier potentially .

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4 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Martinez was already saying that the 3 taken off Vs Tunisia would probably miss the England game, true or trying for 2nd place ? Who knows. 
First thing is win the game, qualify and then worry about what lies ahead. We, on our day , can lose to anyone so we have to be careful what we wish for. But the route does look to be a little easier potentially .

Remember when we thought we had the easier route when we played Iceland in the Euros? That went well.

That said, I think we have a better squad and tactics this time round.

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5 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Martinez was already saying that the 3 taken off Vs Tunisia would probably miss the England game, true or trying for 2nd place ? Who knows. 
First thing is win the game, qualify and then worry about what lies ahead. We, on our day , can lose to anyone so we have to be careful what we wish for. But the route does look to be a little easier potentially .

That’s the English World Cup spirit right there! :laugh:

Was thinking that on our day we can beat anyone too and that we shouldn’t be scared of Germany. I think that may potentially be an easier game than Mexico! Neither will be gimmes, but we have a chance against anyone the way this World Cup has gone so far.

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7 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Remember when we thought we had the easier route when we played Iceland in the Euros? That went well.

That said, I think we have a better squad and tactics this time round.

That single game, after so many others over the years killed my spirit.

4 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

That’s the English World Cup spirit right there! :laugh:

Was thinking that on our day we can beat anyone too and that we shouldn’t be scared of Germany. I think that may potentially be an easier game than Mexico! Neither will be gimmes, but we have a chance against anyone the way this World Cup has gone so far.

I still go into games thinking we can/will win , but as I said above since the Iceland game it's harder. 
I like this group, starting to come around to Southgate , but can't help that feeling in the back of my mind . Like to see us put up a good , confident display today, and over the 90. 
 

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2 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Looking forward to this one following a reasonable start against Tunisia, though Belgium showed yesterday how it should be done. 1pm kick off for anyone who might have forgotten.

Seems like Deli Ali is out and will be replaced by Loftus-Cheek. I've not seen too much of him, but hope he does well.  Rashford in for Sterling, maybe.  I have been a bit disappointed with Raheem's goal tally, though his end product at international level seems to be lacking a bit too.

We need quite a few goals now to match Belgium's goal difference if we want to be in with a chance of winning the group with a draw against them.  I can't see that happening though as Panama seem to keep 11 behind the ball.

I would certainly like to see England being a bit more adventurous against teams like this and hope that Gareth doesn't have to shoulder the blame for a dislocated performance. The Belgium game is of course the one to test our mettle on Thursday.

I've been picking up some of the games on BBC 4k.  Anyone like to comment on their 4k experience.  For me, going back th HD after watching 4k was like going back to SD after watching HD.

with a draw against them! hope England have got a bit more ambition than you.

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2 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

Nizhny Novgorod looking fantastic in the sun, the stadium a little futuristic from the distance and hoping for a solid but not spectacular win. We don't want to finish first surely!

Good on you, enjoy the live match.

1 hour ago, Redsox said:

According to my wall chart wouldn't it be better to avoid winning the group due to Germany's loss to Mexico. The group runner up would play maybe Senegal or Poland and then Mexico in the quarters.

Good investigative work Sox. So you are saying Germany likely to finish 2nd and would play the winners of our group? 

18 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said:

If Panama beat us, I'll eat my hat.

panama hat 2.jpg

I have two at the ready and newly procurred, soaking in local beer for a fuller flavour.

And thanks for the Match Day Wendy.

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just Loftus cheek in for Alli then. fair enough. I would have had Rose in for Young but there

it is....

1 hour ago, havanatopia said:

Good on you, enjoy the live match.

Good investigative work Sox. So you are saying Germany likely to finish 2nd and would play the winners of our group? 

I have two at the ready and newly procurred, soaking in local beer for a fuller flavour.

And thanks for the Match Day Wendy.

thats what i have as well, we play columbia in the round of 16 then Germany.

 

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4 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Looking forward to this one following a reasonable start against Tunisia, though Belgium showed yesterday how it should be done. 1pm kick off for anyone who might have forgotten.

Seems like Deli Ali is out and will be replaced by Loftus-Cheek. I've not seen too much of him, but hope he does well.  Rashford in for Sterling, maybe.  I have been a bit disappointed with Raheem's goal tally, though his end product at international level seems to be lacking a bit too.

We need quite a few goals now to match Belgium's goal difference if we want to be in with a chance of winning the group with a draw against them.  I can't see that happening though as Panama seem to keep 11 behind the ball.

I would certainly like to see England being a bit more adventurous against teams like this and hope that Gareth doesn't have to shoulder the blame for a dislocated performance. The Belgium game is of course the one to test our mettle on Thursday.

I've been picking up some of the games on BBC 4k.  Anyone like to comment on their 4k experience.  For me, going back th HD after watching 4k was like going back to SD after watching HD.

Find the picture a bit darker on 4 k so just change the picture setting to dynamic which seems to do the trick .just remember that it’s delayed a few seconds

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2 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Good on you, enjoy the live match.

Good investigative work Sox. So you are saying Germany likely to finish 2nd and would play the winners of our group? 

I have two at the ready and newly procurred, soaking in local beer for a fuller flavour.

And thanks for the Match Day Wendy.

That's my thinking. I'm assuming Mexico win their group. England runners up will play winners of the Senegal etc group. Then potentially a quarter final against Mexico. The only fly in the ointment would be Brazil failing to win their group if they only get a draw against Serbia. Then they'd play Mexico in the round of 16 then maybe England. If  Brazil do win their group they maybe playing Germany in the round of 16!!!

All very maybe/possibly

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