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John Atyeo statue

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Not for me to tell people how to behave but I found today's behaviour truly cringeworthy.

I'll find somewhere else to watch Thursday's game.

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24 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Let’s be fair here, there were 2 or 3 idiots who climbed on the statue. 

It was disrespectful and wrong, but it was not done maliciously. They were just being a bit over excited and stupid. 

It was great down there today. Massive crowds, great atmosphere, sunshine and obviously a great result. 

I’ll definitely be going down there again on Thursday. It would be good if the statue was fenced off or something though. As a city fan, I didn’t like it being climbed on. 

Or people could just be respectful. Not asking a lot surely?

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35 minutes ago, Super said:

Or people could just be respectful. Not asking a lot surely?

I agree completely. They were idiots, but it wasn’t troublesome and the whole event down there was excellent, overall. 

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6 hours ago, RedM said:

But that doesn’t make it right, on both counts.

Yes, I’ve done daft stuff too, but never pissed in a bus stop or climbed a statue.

Well, you would say that wouldn't you, Mrs M, although I am sure (hope) you never have.

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Disgraceful. Am going to try and get hold of Tom Murphy today to check how sturdy the arms are and whether he needs to come down from Liverpool to check on it. 

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Re video above...

At least the statue climbing idiot making a spectacle of himself ended up taking a spectacularly accurate beer can to his bespectacled face.... Hope he has to go to reSpectsavers now to repair his damaged spectacles and learn an expensive lesson about respect.

(Nice Shot! btw to whoever launched that particular can, you scored a bores-eye! :thumbsup:)  

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2 minutes ago, Dollymarie said:

Disgraceful. Am going to try and get hold of Tom Murphy today to check how sturdy the arms are and whether he needs to come down from Liverpool to check on it. 

Hopefully no damage, this kind of thing could literally end up costing an arm and a leg!  

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10 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Like the knob with this banner per chance?.

 

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Someone needs to give that remoaner a history lesson. Trying to control all of Europe with a single government was very much a Hitler idea.

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Don’t know why people are surprised this happened.. great England win, sunny day, weekend, day drinking.. add in the fact that the Atyeo statue is basically tailor made for climbing on with that arm pose! 

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1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Don’t know why people are surprised this happened.. great England win, sunny day, weekend, day drinking.. add in the fact that the Atyeo statue is basically tailor made for climbing on with that arm pose! 

I'm amazed people can actually scale it, now I've always been notoriously bad at climbing, but it looks pretty difficult to climb up.

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People mentioning there were 2 of them - I distinctly remember it happening at least 4 times. One guy may have tried twice but it definitely happened far more often than twice.

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1 hour ago, Dollymarie said:

Disgraceful. Am going to try and get hold of Tom Murphy today to check how sturdy the arms are and whether he needs to come down from Liverpool to check on it. 

You can actually see the statue move a little in the video because of the unexpected forces it experiences due to the idiot putting pressure on the arms as he climbs down. Getting the sculpturer,who I assume Tom Murphy is, to travel for a site visit is additional expense I guess the SC&T will have to cover instead of investing in other projects, as you say disgraceful. I hope that idiot is proud of himself.

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10 minutes ago, RedM said:

You can actually see the statue move a little in the video because of the unexpected forces it experiences due to the idiot putting pressure on the arms as he climbs down. Getting the sculpturer,who I assume Tom Murphy is, to travel for a site visit is additional expense I guess the SC&T will have to cover instead of investing in other projects, as you say disgraceful. I hope that idiot is proud of himself.

Surely someone must know who it is, maybe they would like to pay towards the cost of getting it assessed.

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Selling piss to people in the sun. BS want them to drink. There is a statue. That will happen. Control measure for the price of ten pints BS can stick a steward next to the statue. Its pretty basic risk assessment and should have been thought of. 

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6 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Selling piss to people in the sun. BS want them to drink. There is a statue. That will happen. Control measure for the price of ten pints BS can stick a steward next to the statue. Its pretty basic risk assessment and should have been thought of. 

Pretty much everyone I know could drink themselves silly, but would never consider it proper to climb on the statue...regardless of age or maturity...it just wouldn't happen.

Isn't this the problem in certain parts of society now...where people can't control their own actions, and blame others for not controlling them?

Sad state of affairs...we've become a blame culture, where so many can't control themselves.

Like I said before...too many like this follow football.

 

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Just now, spudski said:

Pretty much everyone I know could drink themselves silly, but would never consider it proper to climb on the statue...regardless of age or maturity...it just wouldn't happen.

Isn't this the problem in certain parts of society now...where people can't control their own actions, and blame others for not controlling them?

Sad state of affairs...we've become a blame culture, where so many can't control themselves.

Like I said before...too many like this follow football.

 

No. Risk assessment does not work like that. It is as basic as it gets. You sell alcohol to people outdoors for hours in the sun YOU have the responsibility to assess risk. 

When Massive Attack played in Queens square the statues were boarded off and stewards placed in the vicinity. That is not football

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Went down for the Tunisia game and there were some absolute dick heads at the end. Destroying the bean bags and throwing all the polystyrene everywhere

What is this constant need now to throw beer everywhere to? You can enjoy a goal and go potty without acting a bellend 

Sadly it's the 'English lads culture '. You see how badly England fans acting in Holland the other month 

 

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4 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Went down for the Tunisia game and there were some absolute dick heads at the end. Destroying the bean bags and throwing all the polystyrene everywhere

What is this constant need now to throw beer everywhere to? You can enjoy a goal and go potty without acting a bellend 

Sadly it's the 'English lads culture '. You see how badly England fans acting in Holland the other month 

 

On twitter there's a trend this tournament to film the craziest goal celebrations.. usually involving beer throwing, limbs and general destruction. That'll explain the bean bag thing.

I think this statue thing is pretty straightforward really.. just the result of people drinking. Would've happened with any post-war generation since football has been a spectator sport. Alcohol + sun + England winning does things to people!

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21 minutes ago, spudski said:

Pretty much everyone I know could drink themselves silly, but would never consider it proper to climb on the statue...regardless of age or maturity...it just wouldn't happen.

Isn't this the problem in certain parts of society now...where people can't control their own actions, and blame others for not controlling them?

Sad state of affairs...we've become a blame culture, where so many can't control themselves.

Like I said before...too many like this follow football.

 

So very true.

Far too many people have no respect for anything or anyone else and have the attitude of "I'll do whatever I want and don't give a **** about anybody else."

 

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15 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Went down for the Tunisia game and there were some absolute dick heads at the end. Destroying the bean bags and throwing all the polystyrene everywhere

What is this constant need now to throw beer everywhere to? You can enjoy a goal and go potty without acting a bellend 

Sadly it's the 'English lads culture '. You see how badly England fans acting in Holland the other month 

 

Yep. Part of the reason I and many others stay away from places like AG and city centre because it is full of idiots. You can guarantee it will be mayhem when we get knocked out, don't miss it one bit.

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9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

On twitter there's a trend this tournament to film the craziest goal celebrations.. usually involving beer throwing, limbs and general destruction. That'll explain the bean bag thing.

I think this statue thing is pretty straightforward really.. just the result of people drinking. Would've happened with any post-war generation since football has been a spectator sport. Alcohol + sun + England winning does things to people!

Exactly, this isn't a generation thing. I don't want a whole millenials v old folk argument ;), but let's face it, it was the older generations who were beating the **** out of each other in the 80's, and getting us banned from European competition. Fact is, there are knobheads in all age groups.

It's 100% a lad culture issue but this is not a new phenomenon. 

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44 minutes ago, Dollymarie said:

Ive sent Tom a message. Will keep people posted on his thoughts 

Can you start the ball rolling on the club erecting panels around the statue?  Would not be surprised to see an arm snapped off over the next few weeks.

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The amount of cans / bottles hitting the statue. Really makes me feel sick. Embarrassing.

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17 hours ago, Robbored said:

Blokes do stupid things when they're pissed up - I once took a very desperate  slash  in a bus stop on my way back from a night on the lash just as a police car went by - luckily they let me off.............:cool2:

Did they give you a rocket ? 

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19 minutes ago, Super said:

The amount of cans / bottles hitting the statue. Really makes me feel sick. Embarrassing.

Does doesn't it? It's so disrespectful to the memory of a man who did wonders for this club.

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I wasn’t there but there seems a bit of an overreaction if it was simply clambering up a statue.

Im old and old fashioned but statues have been fair game at celebrations since time immemorial, haven’t they? Look at Trafalgar Square and suchlike at New Years Eve and so on. Look at Dickie Bird’s statue in Barnsley.

I know Atyeo is a hero and deserves respect, but let’s not get all religious about it. He was just a footballer after all.

The damage issue is the only one that matters to me, but if it’s solid bronze it’s probably pretty strong.

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13 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Let’s be fair here, there were 2 or 3 idiots who climbed on the statue. 

It was disrespectful and wrong, but it was not done maliciously. They were just being a bit over excited and stupid. 

It was great down there today. Massive crowds, great atmosphere, sunshine and obviously a great result. 

I’ll definitely be going down there again on Thursday. It would be good if the statue was fenced off or something though. As a city fan, I didn’t like it being climbed on. 

Very well said. I was stood only meters away from the statue so can give a good account.

Honestly think a lot of our fans need to pipe down - it wasn't malicious, they weren't being offensive, it was a glorious sunny day, at this point England were 6 nil up, everyone was on the Source and it was jubilant scenes. Grated some who had too much beer took it upon themselves to scale the statue to celebrate but it wasn't meant in a nasty way. They got pelted with beer and bottles by other jubilant supporters and everyone was having a good laugh whilst doing it.

Thought the Gate was fantastic yesterday, better than some City home games, and I'll definitely be attending on Thurs night for the Belgium game.

Appreciate getting drenched in beer in huge crowds may not be everyone's scene but for those in attendance it was a great day! 

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Bit of an over reaction on here imo.

The club have set up a seething, boisterous area for large numbers to watch England and encouraged fans to arrive early to drink so it's no surprise this sort of revelry occurs in celebration after hours of drinking in the sun.

It appears to have been spur of the moment high spirits, not violent or malevolent in any way, and no doubt there are those on here displaying outrage who've previously thought it was a reasonable idea to have a go at climbing Neptune's statue when under the influence after a night out.

I doubt any disrespect was intended though John Atyeo's statue obviously needs to be fenced off on these occasions from now on, it's clearly a temptation to some and the club have a duty of care to take measures to prevent inebriated fans putting themselves at risk.

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I have no concerns over the high jinks involving statues and alcohol that have always happened regardless of the subject of the statue or the era. Look at pictures of Queen Square during the riots of 1831. However, I am concerned for the preservation of the statue and also the fact that we live in a litigious society. People do actually  sue for falling off of statues!

Indeed, in the US recently there have been so many cases of people falling from statues and then suing, that several states have introduced a law restricting people from climbing upon them. These are called Statues of Limitations.

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I was a couple of metres away and to be honest i just thought the statue climbing was just cringy and predictable- i was more concerned about a FULL  can of stella that nearly took my head off . Fence statue off with stewards in attendance and job done , luckily no one got hurt or statue damaged and all in all it was a good afternoon - and just for the record im a so called 'remoaner 'but found that brexit comment as a feeble irrelevant cheap shot . 

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2 hours ago, nebristolred said:

Exactly, this isn't a generation thing. I don't want a whole millenials v old folk argument ;), but let's face it, it was the older generations who were beating the **** out of each other in the 80's, and getting us banned from European competition. Fact is, there are knobheads in all age groups.

It's 100% a lad culture issue but this is not a new phenomenon. 

It was those who are now middle aged! 

Those of us who are OLD, stood side by side with opposing supporters exchanging nothing but banter. And queued in the local newsagents for the Green Un without any bad behaviour at all. 

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1 hour ago, Leveller said:

if it’s solid bronze it’s probably pretty strong

Most bronze statues are hollow, with it being so expensive and difficult to manage large, solid pieces. I suspect Big John is at least partly hollow and not designed to withstand extra loads.

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2 hours ago, Cowshed said:

No. Risk assessment does not work like that. It is as basic as it gets. You sell alcohol to people outdoors for hours in the sun YOU have the responsibility to assess risk. 

When Massive Attack played in Queens square the statues were boarded off and stewards placed in the vicinity. That is not football

Like I said...sad state of affairs, where you need 'Authority' to think ahead, because certain people can't control themselves.

Just wish everyone could be civilised.

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24 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

It was those who are now middle aged! 

Those of us who are OLD, stood side by side with opposing supporters exchanging nothing but banter. And queued in the local newsagents for the Green Un without any bad behaviour at all. 

Okay fair enough, point was that it's not something that is only typical of the youth of today, it's not a new thing whatsoever. 

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23 minutes ago, ziderheadarmy said:

Would it still be “harmless” fun if they broke a arm or his head off? 

No, then it would be "armless" fun.

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3 hours ago, nebristolred said:

Exactly, this isn't a generation thing. I don't want a whole millenials v old folk argument ;), but let's face it, it was the older generations who were beating the **** out of each other in the 80's, and getting us banned from European competition. Fact is, there are knobheads in all age groups.

It's 100% a lad culture issue but this is not a new phenomenon. 

It is compared to The Fifties when I and other fans were young

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3 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

On twitter there's a trend this tournament to film the craziest goal celebrations.. usually involving beer throwing, limbs and general destruction. That'll explain the bean bag thing.

I think this statue thing is pretty straightforward really.. just the result of people drinking. Would've happened with any post-war generation since football has been a spectator sport. Alcohol + sun + England winning does things to people!

Sadly, the beer throwing craze seemed to start from Ashton Gate. The video of the game against Wales was the first of the bunch, now it just seems rather predictable. 

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33 minutes ago, JasonM88 said:

Sadly, the beer throwing craze seemed to start from Ashton Gate. The video of the game against Wales was the first of the bunch, now it just seems rather predictable. 

Yeap. Making the fan village less family friendly than it should be.

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20 hours ago, ashtonphil mk2 said:

 

 

I wouldn’t surprise me if CIty stopped showing the football as the scenes were embarrassing at the end. Which arfter the result is pretty sad.

What happened?

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