daored Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 England v Belgium tonight both have qualified. Looks like both teams are going to make changes, would you ? Whoever finishes top potentially has a slightly easier looking run into semi finals. I would keep the back three , think they need game together. Would play Alexander-Arnold and Rose as wingbacks , Dier instead of Henderson, Welbeck and Rashford for Sterling and Lingard. Would play Kane but only as got him as top goal scorer !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Play for the draw. Make sure we pick up loads of yellows to ensure we finish second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Make a few changes but go for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Don’t like this concept of trying to engineer an ‘easy’ tie. People looking to the quarters and semis like we don’t have a last 16 side to play. Play your best team, win your games and make it a habit. Massively arrogant to expect a certain outcome based on certain fixtures when we have a history of bottling knock out football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Play for the draw. Make sure we pick up loads of yellows to ensure we finish second. Why second @Fordy62? Potential Brazil in QF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, daored said: Why second @Fordy62? Potential Brazil in QF No that’s if we win the group. If we come 2’d it’ll be Sweden or Switzerland in the QF but would still have to navigate a tricky last 16 game plus a semi final against (most likely) Spain or Croatia. It would be typical to try and engineer 2nd for the ‘easy’ route then go out to Sweden while Belgium hammer Brazil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, BRISTOL86 said: No that’s if we win the group. If we come 2’d it’ll be Sweden or Switzerland in the QF but would still have to navigate a tricky last 16 game plus a semi final against (most likely) Spain or Croatia. It would be typical to try and engineer 2nd for the ‘easy’ route then go out to Sweden while Belgium hammer Brazil Don’t disagree but for me we win the group. Although I do think changes should be made , would certainly change the wing backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, daored said: Why second @Fordy62? Potential Brazil in QF Sweden isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Winning is a habit and momentum is important especially for a young confident team like we have. Want to see us push for the win and score a few more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I don't see a Swedish QF as an easy prospect.. remind me when we last beat them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, daored said: Don’t disagree but for me we win the group. Although I do think changes should be made , would certainly change the wing backs Absolutely, I’d be going for a win personally tonight. Winning is a habit and I don’t want to be going into the last 16 having not won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Sweden isn’t it? Apologies I had it the other way round ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I want us to win but finishing second is actually a little bit more convenient for my schedule. Not saying they should lose a game to suit me but I've plans on Monday and Friday next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 34-33 to England please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Er we need to beat probably Senegal or Columbia first! 2 minutes ago, Tomarse said: I don't see a Swedish QF as an easy prospect.. remind me when we last beat them 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'd ring the changes but more a case of making sure it keeps everyone fresh, still play to win but should injuries come later in the tournament then we've given game time to as many players as possible already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm still annoyed England didn't use a bit more intelligence and win only 5-0 Or 5-1 so we could get a draw v Belgium to keep 'momentum' and a great run in to the semis. Anyone who looked at the results could see how it was panning out and so it has proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'm still annoyed England didn't use a bit more intelligence and win only 5-0 Or 5-1 so we could get a draw v Belgium to keep 'momentum' and a great run in to the semis. Anyone who looked at the results could see how it was panning out and so it has proven. In fairness Kane wasn't trying to score that 6th goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'm still annoyed England didn't use a bit more intelligence and win only 5-0 Or 5-1 so we could get a draw v Belgium to keep 'momentum' and a great run in to the semis. Anyone who looked at the results could see how it was panning out and so it has proven. Pretty arrogant for England to think of it as an ‘easy’ run though. Ask Germany how easy their group is! The worst thing is a QF against Colombia or Senegal will be a stern test and is by no means a foregone conclusion, yet everyone’s talking like we’ve won it already. Trying to engineer what we do now based on thelikely opponent in a game which we may not even get to doesn’t sit too well with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Not that it means too much in such an unpredictable tournament.. but some football stats boffin I follow on Twitter has calculated that if we win the group - we'd have a 20% chance of reaching a semi-final whereas if we finish second, that becomes a 54% chance. Lots of variables of course but he's been incredibly accurate this World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Don’t like this concept of trying to engineer an ‘easy’ tie. People looking to the quarters and semis like we don’t have a last 16 side to play. Play your best team, win your games and make it a habit. Massively arrogant to expect a certain outcome based on certain fixtures when we have a history of bottling knock out football. Should totally go for the win. I don't see an issue with us doing that by utilising the squad and maybe leaving out those players already on yellows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm looking forward to seeing Southgate head butting Martinez myself with 5 mins to go. .... Even if we're winning anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Leave out those with yellow cards but otherwise put out the strongest side and go for it. Winning breeds confidence and i have not seen any team this tournament that England should be concerned about. Trying to engineer a result is utter b....cks. This World Cup is far too unpredictable to suggest there are ‘easier’ routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I am for big changes and try and let as many players as possible have a run out and experience playing in the world cup. Not to try and engineer 2nd place, but if we need those players to step in during the later stages, at least they will have game time. If we lose with a different team, then oh well we made major changes, if you go full strength and lose to maybe a weakened Belgium team then that could really damage confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I've seen a lot of optimism about England's chances after the first two matches. That's fair enough because on the whole I think they've played quite well. I don't think they should be worried about the 'harder' side of the draw. If they get smashed by Belgium tonight the same press that are pontificating about how great they are will turn and suddenly whoever they meet in the next round will seem like a much more difficult game. Just keep winning matches, I haven't seen much for them to be afraid of so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, Tomarse said: I don't see a Swedish QF as an easy prospect.. remind me when we last beat them Obviously history is irrelevant really anyway, but: Sweden have never beaten England in a major tournament (World Cup or Euros). England beat Sweden the last time the two nations met in a major tournament. 3-2 in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 27 minutes ago, Super said: In fairness Kane wasn't trying to score that 6th goal! True and the fact we then spent 30 mins trying to let Panama score shows what a bad scoreline that was for our statistical chances of winning this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBrizzleRobin Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 46 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Sweden isn’t it? Mind you we've only beaten Sweden twice in our last 15 attempts in 90 mins (2W 8D 5L). In fact we have a slightly better record against Brazil over the same period! (3W 7D 5L) . Always thought our record against them was a bit shit, forever a pain in the backside to play against, didn't realise it was just that shit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Some people seem to be a bit worried about England's record against Sweden should they go down to Belgium tonight but I think that Sweden - Switzerland is one of the closer ties in the last 16. I'd say that it's pretty much 50/50. The Swedes have played better in the tournament so far but both progressed from tough groups and I think the Swiss have lost one game in 24 or something like that. England have won 16 of 24 meetings with the Swiss and haven't lost to them since 1981. Switzerland also lost their only ever World Cup penalty shootout 3-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said: Some people seem to be a bit worried about England's record against Sweden should they go down to Belgium tonight but I think that Sweden - Switzerland is one of the closer ties in the last 16. I'd say that it's pretty much 50/50. The Swedes have played better in the tournament so far but both progressed from tough groups and I think the Swiss have lost one game in 24 or something like that. England have won 16 of 24 meetings with the Swiss and haven't lost to them since 1981. Switzerland also lost their only ever World Cup penalty shootout 3-0. I'm not worried but I guess I don't see Sweden much easier than Brazil. As crazy as it sounds maybe our style would suit better against Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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