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Finley_Smith10

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At this moment in time what dyou think is our strongest line up atm? Mine is

Fielding

Pisano Webster Baker Kelly

COD Smith Pack Brownhill Paterson

 

Fammy

Bryan replacing Pato if stays but highly unlikely imo 

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Based on the players here today:

                    Fielding 

     Pisano Webster Baker Bryan 

    Watkins Pack Smith O’Dowda

                  Brownhill

                  Diedhiou

 

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I won't name it yet as going to be making another 4 signings minimum as LJ said we were close to 5 before Webster was signed. One thing I will say is I hope Pisano is not our first choice right back next season. Really was so poor, I can't see him ever coping with the championship. Dodgy defensively, a bit crazy in his decision making at times, and he can't get back after overlapping the winger. People will say he might be ok after a preseason, but to me he looks like he's come to English football too late in his career to adapt to the pace of the game. He looked no fitter after a run of games at the end of the season than he did on his first game rushed back from injury.

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As it currently stands, for 1st game:

Fielding

Wright, Webster, Baker, Bryan (:whistle:)

Brownhill, Pack, Smith

Watkins, Taylor, O’Dowda

Subs: O’Leary, Pisano, Kelly, Hegeler, Djúric, Eliasson, Paterson

Those not getting changed:

Vyner, Moore, Walsh, Bakinson, Morrell, Hinds, McCoulsky

Those not available:

Diedhiou

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11 hours ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

At this moment in time what dyou think is our strongest line up atm? Mine is

Fielding

Pisano Webster Baker Kelly

COD Smith Pack Brownhill Paterson

 

Fammy

Bryan replacing Pato if stays but highly unlikely imo 

Certainly not with Pisano..!

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If Bryan and pack do go I'd like to see this... 

Fielding

Vyner Webster Baker kelly

Watkins Brownhill Smith COD Elliasson 

Diedhiou

Lots of energy there, new keeper needed and if Joe does go a new left back plus new centre mid as well which would allow odowda to go out wide

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4 hours ago, JBFC II said:

If Bryan and pack do go I'd like to see this... 

Fielding

Vyner Webster Baker kelly

Watkins Brownhill Smith COD Elliasson 

Diedhiou

Lots of energy there, new keeper needed and if Joe does go a new left back plus new centre mid as well which would allow odowda to go out wide

I sincerely hope not. Without disrespecting those players you have mentioned that team has got relegation battle written all over it.

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38 minutes ago, bris red said:

I sincerely hope not. Without disrespecting those players you have mentioned that team has got relegation battle written all over it.

I'd agree but at the minute that's the best I can think of, depending on whether pack and joe stay. 

A few additional signings and that's a mid table team though in my opinion

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17 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

So - I think it was mentioned that Webster is left footed is that correct? In which case it seems like him next to Baker might not be an ideal combo?

He's very much two footed. Predominantly a lefty but he can use both.

Even then it can be helpful for pressing. There have been plenty of quality defensive pairings who were both left footed.

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2 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Pugh

Pugh. Barney Mcgrew. Cuthbert. Dibble.

& Grubb for sure.

Not sure if Grubb is good enough. Also if both Pugh brothers are in the team and we re-sign the Rougier twins does that mean we break a world record for the number of siblings in the starting eleven?

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I'd move away from 442

fielding

RCB - Wright

CB - Webster

LCB - Baker

RWB - O'Dowda

LWB - Bryan 

CM - Brownhill 

CM - Pack

CM - Smith 

ST - Taylor

ST - Diedhiou 

I'd expect a new striker so Taylor there for now out of who we have, could have put Paterson in a free role with Diedhiou. Think O'Dowda could play wing back, definitely willing to put a defensive shift in. Think Vyner would slot in well instead of Wright if we give him exposure over time. The players involved can also switch to a 442 if needed without a sub being made. 

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Still very much hypothetical so only a bit of fun at this stage, but I like some of the 4-3-3/4-5-1's that are being thrown around so I'd go (transfers and Diedhiou's suspension aside):

Fielding

Pisano Webster Baker Bryan

Smith Pack Brownhill

Watkins Diedhiou O'Dowda

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13 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Pugh

Pugh. Barney Mcgrew. Cuthbert. Dibble.

& Grubb for sure.

I think if we just start with six players we could well be handing Forest the advantage. Try it against Plymouth in the cup by all means but not in the league.

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With the players we have at mo and assuming Bryan goes and including Diedhous suspension 

--------------O'Leary

Wright, Webster, Baker, Kelly

----------------Pack---------------

Watkins-------------------O'Dowda

----------------Brownhill----------

--------Eliasson-------------------

------------------------McCoulsky or Taylor 

 

 

 

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Think Joe will definitely be off just matter of when. Likewise Pack appears to be going to.Fammy has 6 match ban.

With above in mind think we need as a minimum  2 fullbacks.Central midfielder who can create goals and hit set pieces,experienced would be good.

Finally quality centre forward with proven record.

With the cash we have generated 4 players is not out of reach even if we have to pay high for a centre forward.

 

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16 hours ago, ZiderEyed said:

He's very much two footed. Predominantly a lefty but he can use both.

Even then it can be helpful for pressing. There have been plenty of quality defensive pairings who were both left footed.

Like who?  I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

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Far too early to even attempt this.

Be amazed if we don’t have 4 more new players by the Forest game & probably two more will have left, too.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Like who?  I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

Materazzi and Samuel. Chiellini and Romagnoli.

It's about splitting the pitch in two isn't it, one of the main reasons people are desperate for a R and L next to each other. Passing lanes are opened up more when you've got a lefty and a righty next to each other. The other issue you get with, for example a lefty at RCB is you're dropping off with your right shoulder, so you have to be capable with your right anyway. Webster as far as I'm aware is two footed though.

IMO if you had Webster next to Baker the team would need time to familiarize and get used to the angles of passing that two left foot dominant centre backs would create. There'd have to be minimal rotation which is obviously not ideal with both of their injury histories.

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24 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

Materazzi and Samuel. Chiellini and Romagnoli.

It's about splitting the pitch in two isn't it, one of the main reasons people are desperate for a R and L next to each other. Passing lanes are opened up more when you've got a lefty and a righty next to each other. The other issue you get with, for example a lefty at RCB is you're dropping off with your right shoulder, so you have to be capable with your right anyway. Webster as far as I'm aware is two footed though.

IMO if you had Webster next to Baker the team would need time to familiarize and get used to the angles of passing that two left foot dominant centre backs would create. There'd have to be minimal rotation which is obviously not ideal with both of their injury histories.

Which makes you wonder why, if you are looking to replace a RCB, you go out and buy a leftie?

Yes I expect you can 'get round it', but when you know EXACTLY what position you are filling why not buy someone who is a perfect for it. Just sounds a bit like creating a problem before you start.

Unless Wright plays with one of Baker/Webster?

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2 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Yes. The midfield will press as a Pack.

It looks like the midfield players can easily interchange with the back four and the front two if the game dictates too.

This could be a goer - I do have reservations about your choice of keeper though (unless we`re playing rush goalies)

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Just now, robin_unreliant said:

Which makes you wonder why, if you are looking to replace a RCB, you go out and buy a leftie?

Yes I expect you can 'get round it', but when you know EXACTLY what position you are filling why not buy someone who is a perfect for it. Just sounds a bit like creating a problem before you start.

Unless Wright plays with one of Baker/Webstsr?

I expect Webster will play next to Baker on the right simply by the virtue of him being relatively two footed.

Who knows if there was a ball playing, young, Championship experienced centre back of high ability and potential to improve, who was also right footed and available for around £5m? It's quite the criteria to fill.

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20 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

Materazzi and Samuel. Chiellini and Romagnoli.

It's about splitting the pitch in two isn't it, one of the main reasons people are desperate for a R and L next to each other. Passing lanes are opened up more when you've got a lefty and a righty next to each other. The other issue you get with, for example a lefty at RCB is you're dropping off with your right shoulder, so you have to be capable with your right anyway. Webster as far as I'm aware is two footed though.

IMO if you had Webster next to Baker the team would need time to familiarize and get used to the angles of passing that two left foot dominant centre backs would create. There'd have to be minimal rotation which is obviously not ideal with both of their injury histories.

Ah, you had to go to Italy....I’ve lost touch since CM97 Italia version :P

I agree with all you say, it makes a lot of sense.  The only thing that I’d counter with is where it restricts who marks who.

My example was Flint and Magnússon v Blackburn in 16/17.  Perfect R&L combo in theory.

However Sam Gallagher made sure for every dead ball he stood in the left channel (between Mags and our LB - probably Bryan).  Their keeper kicked everything down that channel and although Mags stood up well to the physical challenge, Gallagher won lots of flicks (luckily to no-one) and occasionally strong enough to get it on his chest.

I couldn’t help thinking that had we been more versatile, Flint could’ve came over and took on the challenge of the aerial stuff.  Who knows, Gallagher might end of thinking Flint’s gonna follow me, I might as way stay Central, and we win the mini-battle.

Another potential problem is that where one plays right and one plays left, CBs become too keen to pass-on a player to their partner, when sometimes you’d be better staying with him.  Hogan at Brentford was magnificent at being marked by Flint, but as he moved into Mags’s zone, Flint would pass him on.  However Hogan would then change him run back towards Flint, and no-one would be marking him.  I think he had about 4 one-on-ones in 20 minutes that night.

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19 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Pugh

Pugh. Barney Mcgrew. Cuthbert. Dibble.

& Grubb for sure.

Great team, the only problem is they might be called away during the game to put out a fire, or rescue a cat. Do we have enough subs of their quality to cover them? I don't think so!

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14 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

It looks like the midfield players can easily interchange with the back four and the front two if the game dictates too.

This could be a goer - I do have reservations about your choice of keeper though (unless we`re playing rush goalies)

Fair enough..Fielding in goal. But I’m keeping the flat Pack four.

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5 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Fair enough..Fielding in goal. But I’m keeping the flat Pack four.

That’s why we signed Joel Ekstrand then :laughcont:

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ah, you had to go to Italy....I’ve lost touch since CM97 Italia version :P

I agree with all you say, it makes a lot of sense.  The only thing that I’d counter with is where it restricts who marks who.

My example was Flint and Magnússon v Blackburn in 16/17.  Perfect R&L combo in theory.

However Sam Gallagher made sure for every dead ball he stood in the left channel (between Mags and our LB - probably Bryan).  Their keeper kicked everything down that channel and although Mags stood up well to the physical challenge, Gallagher won lots of flicks (luckily to no-one) and occasionally strong enough to get it on his chest.

I couldn’t help thinking that had we been more versatile, Flint could’ve came over and took on the challenge of the aerial stuff.  Who knows, Gallagher might end of thinking Flint’s gonna follow me, I might as way stay Central, and we win the mini-battle.

Another potential problem is that where one plays right and one plays left, CBs become too keen to pass-on a player to their partner, when sometimes you’d be better staying with him.  Hogan at Brentford was magnificent at being marked by Flint, but as he moved into Mags’s zone, Flint would pass him on.  However Hogan would then change him run back towards Flint, and no-one would be marking him.  I think he had about 4 one-on-ones in 20 minutes that night.

Agreed.

Perhaps in your example though it was a case of HM being the obviously weaker partner in the duo and AF being unwilling to do what he perceived to be HM's dirty work. It wouldn't surprise me knowing what we know about Flint's psyche.

Good post though.

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It will be interesting to see who gets captaincy this season, if its Bailey then i can see him possibly being preferred to Baker especially after all his injury niggles last season.

I don't know, hes not old enough to be a Louis Carey statesman captain who is happy to be backup but a steady head in the dressing room. I know the fans prefer Baker but LJ will have a tough decision as CB isn't a great position for rotation unless one gets a long injury.

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20 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Pugh

Pugh. Barney Mcgrew. Cuthbert. Dibble.

& Grubb for sure.

Mary,mungo & midge with Bod as a floating midfielder to complete the 11

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                                                                                                              Fielding                                                

Pisano                                                         Webster                                                            Baker                                           Kelly               

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                  Pack

 

                                                                   Brownhill                                                         New  £15m captain

 

Watkins                                                                                                                                                                                   ODowda

 

                                                                                                                 Fammy                                                                                  

   

In my mind  this team would be good enough to get us into the play offs. What we have been missing is a ball winning ball playing captain.

For £15 m im sure we can find this man. Why waste money on other positions while we have youngsters who can play a part in our progress.

We could also loan in a couple of players to cover our short falls.                                             

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33 minutes ago, kelbcfc said:

                                                                                                              Fielding                                                

Pisano                                                         Webster                                                            Baker                                           Kelly               

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                  Pack

 

                                                                   Brownhill                                                         New  £15m captain

 

Watkins                                                                                                                                                                                   ODowda

 

                                                                                                                 Fammy                                                                                  

   

In my mind  this team would be good enough to get us into the play offs. What we have been missing is a ball winning ball playing captain.

For £15 m im sure we can find this man. Why waste money on other positions while we have youngsters who can play a part in our progress.

We could also loan in a couple of players to cover our short falls.                                             

Korey Smith is a ball winning, ball playing captain.

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1 hour ago, Red Right Hand said:

I`d have Morph in for Midge - it makes us more flexible.

Signed, doing cartwheels over the transfer.  Midfield “Aardma:P

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Fielding, Wright  Webster Baker , COD Pack   Smith   Brownhill Kelly , Huglli Marriott                        

 

 

 

           

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On 30/06/2018 at 11:24, JBFC II said:

If Bryan and pack do go I'd like to see this... 

Fielding

Vyner Webster Baker kelly

Watkins Brownhill Smith COD Elliasson 

Diedhiou

Lots of energy there, new keeper needed and if Joe does go a new left back plus new centre mid as well which would allow odowda to go out wide

No Diedhiou for six weeks?

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37 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said:

No Diedhiou for six weeks?

Wait and see about whether we get it overturned... 

If not I'd imagine we'll bring in someone else who will start

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4 minutes ago, Whale Eye Beef Hooked said:

.........,,,,... fielding...,....,...

pisano....baker....webster......kelly

......................Pack.....................

....,,Brownhill ...........     O’Dowda

watkins ..........Diedhiou........Weimann

Weimann is apparently wasted on the wing, I'd also put korey Smith in for O'dowda to be honest

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On 30/06/2018 at 16:42, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Pugh

Pugh. Barney Mcgrew. Cuthbert. Dibble.

& Grubb for sure.

Think I would move Dibble into midfield Cuthbert to LWB, Mcgrew to LCB and recruit Muffin the mule as CB. I have heard he has a big kick and is two footed

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