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I agree with right Roberts goal, beating Man U was amazing but losing to them wouldn’t have been too bad. However if we would have lost last night or lost to Hartlepool as with the Roberts goal it’s the heart brake I couldn’t have taken. Guess that’s why diers penalty meant more as it could so easily have been another horrible night 

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Korey. All the way.

The outpouring of celebration of us winning a penalty shootout against a side we should have put to sleep in the first 20 minutes last night is concerning.

We won nothing last night. Other than a game against European opposition in the next round. How did our last game go against a European opponent?

I really hope. Really hope. That England progress and do well, but the way some people are carrying on, you'd think we had already won it.

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Dier for me - although, watching them each at home on TV, my reaction was pretty similar, involving vaulting off the sofa, jumping around the living room laughing and screaming. I may have used some naughty words on each occasion.

Beating Man U was great, but my disappointments with England World Cup performances/results go back to 1970 and Peter Bonetti.

Once it went to penalties last night I had no doubt we would lose. So even though there may be another let-down round the corner, there was nearly 50 years' worth of frustration to let out when we actually won. Watching England, it's probably only David Platt's 119th minute winner against Belgium in 1990 that could rival the feeling last night.

There are a few City goals that I enjoyed more than Smith's winner (maybe in part because I was at the games):

- Martyn Hirst's winner at Eastville in the FA Cup in 1983 (before I was a City fan, really, but knowing Martyn a bit made that special)

- Steve Neville's 119th(?) minute Freight Rover winner against Hereford in 1986

- both the goals against Hartlepool in the play-off semi-final

Nothing like a late, late winner, when not winning would be utterly horrible, to remind us just why we watch football! Maybe that's why the Smith goal doesn't quite make the cut for me: however good it was to beat Man U, losing wouldn't have been terrible. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Korey. All the way.

The outpouring of celebration of us winning a penalty shootout against a side we should have put to sleep in the first 20 minutes last night is concerning.

We won nothing last night. Other than a game against European opposition in the next round. How did our last game go against a European opponent?

I really hope. Really hope. That England progress and do well, but the way some people are carrying on, you'd think we had already won it.

Why is it “concerning” that we celebrated a dramatic victory in an important match that keeps us in with a shout of winning the World Cup?!

It’s been a great World Cup, England have a realistic chance of doing very well, the sun has been shining for weeks on end and people are enjoying the summer. What’s wrong with getting excited?!

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4 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Why is it “concerning” that we celebrated a dramatic victory in an important match that keeps us in with a shout of winning the World Cup?!

It’s been a great World Cup, England have a realistic chance of doing very well, the sun has been shining for weeks on end and people are enjoying the summer. What’s wrong with getting excited?!

I think the fact we won, masked our inability to see off a game in normal time we were more than capable of winning. Like I say, it's great we won, but the fact it took pens... leaves we concerned if we are going to have a chance of lifting the cup.

I hope my concerns are unfounded, but last night wasn't (in my view) as epic a win as many are making out.

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25 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Korey. All the way.

The outpouring of celebration of us winning a penalty shootout against a side we should have put to sleep in the first 20 minutes last night is concerning.

We won nothing last night. Other than a game against European opposition in the next round. How did our last game go against a European opponent?

I really hope. Really hope. That England progress and do well, but the way some people are carrying on, you'd think we had already won it.

Why should we have put them to sleep in the first 20 minutes? 

Slightly disrespectful to a team who reached the quarter finals 4 years ago and who put three unanswered goals past a Poland team that some on here were predicting would knock us out, no?

As for our last game against European opposition...it was two reserve teams playing each other in little more than a dead rubber. 

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2 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I think the fact we won, masked our inability to see off a game in normal time we were more than capable of winning. Like I say, it's great we won, but the fact it took pens... leaves we concerned if we are going to have a chance of lifting the cup.

I hope my concerns are unfounded, but last night wasn't (in my view) as epic a win as many are making out.

If your concern is with the performance rather than the celebrations, that makes more sense. I certainly agree there are still plenty of questions about this England side.

I don’t think people were celebrating just because of the win itself - it was the fact that it was such a dramatic and traumatic way to win! If we’d coasted to a 3-0 win the reaction wouldn’t have been quite as extreme.

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1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

I think the fact we won, masked our inability to see off a game in normal time we were more than capable of winning. Like I say, it's great we won, but the fact it took pens... leaves we concerned if we are going to have a chance of lifting the cup.

I hope my concerns are unfounded, but last night wasn't (in my view) as epic a win as many are making out.

Completely understand where you’re coming from, but for me it’s precisely the fact that it was on penalties that made it so epic.

Had we cleared that header off the line, and won 1-0, it wouldn’t have been celebrated as much. It would have been, as you suggest, a win which should have happened, and people would have been happy but raised certain concerns (like nearly any England match won by a small margin).

But the fact that we nearly threw it away, and put ourselves in the position we are all far too familiar with, and then had the wherewithal to actually come through it for once gives it that added sense of importance, and heightens the achievement.

Like the old “1-1 from 1-0 up is crap, 1-1 from 1-0 down is great”. It’s not the result that’s being celebrated, but the means.

Chuffing champion, if you ask me.

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33 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Korey’s goal was the single greatest moment of sport I’ve ever witnessed in person.

The only way that I could envisage England surpassing that moment would be if the unthinkable was to happen on Sunday week.

Bristol beat Manchester, still as totally underwhelmed by it as I was on the day. 

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1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said:

Bristol beat Manchester, still as totally underwhelmed by it as I was on the day. 

Why do you watch football then? Surely every game is just City x vs City y?

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Korey.

Last night was good and winning a penalty shoot out in the World Cup for first time has nice.

However, the Korey goal- was in a great run, a great first half of season and just unbelievable- in a Cup run which had been steadily building momentum through the season and that unbelievable moment- beating the team who have been last minute specialists as well as being major favourites as well as the biggest club in the world in the last minute? To say nothing of the fact there was disgruntlement aplenty about LJ and the team towards the end of 16/17, pessimism too.

As an individual moment, , 6 monI don't see how that can be topped tbh!

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Smith. 

International football means nothing to me. We follow City week in, week out.  When it comes to internationals we switch on every two years. It just doesn't matter at the end of it. There's no attachment, no new signings, no build up to the new season and #AnnounceTheKit arguments. It's all about club football. 

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