ashton_fan Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 After making a packet on Kodjia last season's window was full of talk about foreign signings and we ended up getting Diedhiou, Pisano and Elliasson. Diedhiou didn't have enough games to judge but Elliasson has been a disappointment as was Engvall previously, the jury's still out on Pisano who also had injury problems. But the signing of Diony on loan in January was a wake-up call to LJ that maybe our foreign scouts aren't particularly reliable, he thought it was a real coup but it was more of a disaster which could have been worse if we'd signed him permanently the previous summer as we'd tried to do. It seems now the focus is again on players in this country, a mixture of tried and tested Championship players and younger players with promise from the lower leagues. Maybe we've seen the last of the foreigners for a while? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 After the successes with Kodjia and Fammy I doubt we have gone off foreign players. However, what Engval and Diony particularly have shown is that it is easy for them not to work out as hoped. There are a few more variables than you would have with English/British players - new culture, different country, different style, pace and physicality to our football - and especially for younger players this could be too much of an adjustment. I can see that younger foreign players still being on our radar as "ones for the future" giving them time to adapt to all the changes before they become exposed to first team football. While finances allow, as we are seeing this window, I think we might well prefer to go for known quantities that can integrate into the first team set up with little problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColeCiderRed Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 Just preparing for Brexit and potential visa problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 5, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 The whole ethos seems to have changed, the age demographic of signings is older than that of previous windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 Weimann is Austrian......so it doesn’t look like we’ve ‘gone off foreign players’... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Weimann is Austrian......so it doesn’t look like we’ve ‘gone off foreign players’... he started at Villa in 2007 ....plenty of time for integration. I know Ipswich and Tottenham had a deliberate policy of bringing in two players from the same country back in the day. Two from Argentina, Two from Holland etc...which must have been a lot easier for those players to integrate when at least one other person shared their cultural values, language etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee0 Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 57 minutes ago, ColeCiderRed said: Just preparing for Brexit and potential visa problems OH WOW.......project fear arrives at OTIB..........is that you Chukka ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 40 minutes ago, phantom said: The whole ethos seems to have changed, the age demographic of signings is older than that of previous windows Im not sure the ethos has changed at all, I think it's more to do with what we need at the time, but it's not as if we are buying 30+ year olds either. We were always likely to loose some expirienced pros in this Window (as well as it being patently clear that a bit more expirience would be helpful after last season) yet we have still stuck broadly to the Ethos, There isn't a single player that we have brought in that we won't be able to seel for significantly more than we paid should they do well, Wiemann if he can recover his form will court good interest from Prem sides as he has done it before at that level but hasn't managed to re-capture that form since leaving Villa. Webster if he has a season where our defence transitions from being largely god awful to a very solid back line, he's immediately worth significantly more than Flint due to his age. So I don't think the Ethos has changed at all, it has been refined for the particular situation we are in currently, which is we have a lot of good young players but lack somewhat in the expirience department, so we have brought in expirience but retaine dthe ability for them all to be sold at a good profit should they do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 5, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Spud55 said: So I don't think the Ethos has changed at all, it has been refined for the particular situation we are in currently, which is we have a lot of good young players but lack somewhat in the expirience department, so we have brought in expirience but retaine dthe ability for them all to be sold at a good profit should they do well. So basically we are agreeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted July 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Weimann is Austrian......so it doesn’t look like we’ve ‘gone off foreign players’... Slightly different as he's been playing over here since a youth player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 2 hours ago, ashton_fan said: After making a packet on Kodjia last season's window was full of talk about foreign signings and we ended up getting Diedhiou, Pisano and Elliasson. Diedhiou didn't have enough games to judge but Elliasson has been a disappointment as was Engvall previously, the jury's still out on Pisano who also had injury problems. But the signing of Diony on loan in January was a wake-up call to LJ that maybe our foreign scouts aren't particularly reliable, he thought it was a real coup but it was more of a disaster which could have been worse if we'd signed him permanently the previous summer as we'd tried to do. It seems now the focus is again on players in this country, a mixture of tried and tested Championship players and younger players with promise from the lower leagues. Maybe we've seen the last of the foreigners for a while? Just a couple of questions; FD , not enough games to judge? 32. games 13 goals, approaching 1 in 2 . I'd say success , although with a big turn around in staff it will be interesting to see how he goes this season. Eliasson , you judge as a disappointment when he played half the games that FD did. I'm hoping he'll come through this year, needs more game time somewhere, possible loan? Engvall was a strange one, homesick, didn't try , didn't fit who knows = cock up I think as people have said, we needed players who knew the division and could settle quickly with senior pros leaving. I hope we still scout all over Europe, and are a little more selective. More Kodjia's and less Engvall's in the future. All about the scouting and round pegs for round holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe hicks Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Spud55 said: Im not sure the ethos has changed at all, I think it's more to do with what we need at the time, but it's not as if we are buying 30+ year olds either. We were always likely to loose some expirienced pros in this Window (as well as it being patently clear that a bit more expirience would be helpful after last season) yet we have still stuck broadly to the Ethos, There isn't a single player that we have brought in that we won't be able to seel for significantly more than we paid should they do well, Wiemann if he can recover his form will court good interest from Prem sides as he has done it before at that level but hasn't managed to re-capture that form since leaving Villa. Webster if he has a season where our defence transitions from being largely god awful to a very solid back line, he's immediately worth significantly more than Flint due to his age. So I don't think the Ethos has changed at all, it has been refined for the particular situation we are in currently, which is we have a lot of good young players but lack somewhat in the expirience department, so we have brought in expirience but retaine dthe ability for them all to be sold at a good profit should they do well. Thing is, the players we are signing now I believe wouldn't have been possible last pre season. We are now seen as a good club, progressing season on season, despite what some think of last year. Decent championship players are now within our reach, and was always part of the long term strategy. Aa we are now selling at vast profit on one or two, this allows our net to be looking at home players As well as still looking at foreign bargains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe hicks said: Thing is, the players we are signing now I believe wouldn't have been possible last pre season. We are now seen as a good club, progressing season on season, despite what some think of last year. Decent championship players are now within our reach, and was always part of the long term strategy. Aa we are now selling at vast profit on one or two, this allows our net to be looking at home players As well as still looking at foreign bargains. That is indeed very possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted July 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 2 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Just a couple of questions; FD , not enough games to judge? 32. games 13 goals, approaching 1 in 2 . I'd say success , although with a big turn around in staff it will be interesting to see how he goes this season. Eliasson , you judge as a disappointment when he played half the games that FD did. I'm hoping he'll come through this year, needs more game time somewhere, possible loan? Engvall was a strange one, homesick, didn't try , didn't fit who knows = cock up I think as people have said, we needed players who knew the division and could settle quickly with senior pros leaving. I hope we still scout all over Europe, and are a little more selective. More Kodjia's and less Engvall's in the future. All about the scouting and round pegs for round holes. FD has done ok but enough to justify his £5.3M fee? Not sure on that one. As for his goal ratio it has been 1 in 2.5 games, which would be good if he can do it again this season, let's wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 For me Pisano was a poor signing also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 There are definitely bargains to be found in mainland Europe, but I think we've found it difficult to persuade good players to come over to play second-division football in England, unless they are playing for a big name, or we're paying for a big name. Unless we can get a solid link with a top side (or do a Wolves and get favourable links with an agent) then I think we'll cool off on signing players based in Europe. We're cementing ourselves as a mid-table club, so there's a need to add experience and fix holes in the squad, especially with so many key players leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 2 hours ago, ashton_fan said: FD has done ok but enough to justify his £5.3M fee? Not sure on that one. As for his goal ratio it has been 1 in 2.5 games, which would be good if he can do it again this season, let's wait and see. FD: 13 in 32 (1 in 2.46) BR: 19 in 46 (1 in 2.42) If Reid's worth 10m, then I'd say Fammy has justified his price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman_Red Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Joe hicks said: Thing is, the players we are signing now I believe wouldn't have been possible last pre season. We are now seen as a good club, progressing season on season, despite what some think of last year. Decent championship players are now within our reach, and was always part of the long term strategy. Aa we are now selling at vast profit on one or two, this allows our net to be looking at home players As well as still looking at foreign bargains. Agree with this. Whilst as fans we had to endure the second half of the season week in/week out, to an outsider we're a team that ran Man City close in a major cup semi-final and finished in the top half of the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 Think the club is trying to stay ahead of Brexit so no Johnny Foreigner!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 11 hours ago, ashton_fan said: Diedhiou didn't have enough games to judge How many games do you need to see this powerhouse play to know he's alright, better than alright. I couldn't give a fig about stats, but he barraged enough for me, bustled enough for me and did that Superman celebration enough for me to know I judge him as a hit. His control can be wonky but other touches are sublime. If it was all sublime he uddn't be playin fer us. I think 30 games or so is more than enough to see he's worth building around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lerring Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 Diedhiou was 12th top scorer in the league whilst missing nearly 3 months injured. Honest question, what more could he have done in order to be able to judge him? He might have a slightly unorthodox (almost cumbersome) style, but surely his return qualifies him as a successful signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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