sephjnr Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: I am surprised that we appear to have so many players now running into their last year of contract. Mark Ashton's award-winning negotiation hard at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: A ' must keep ' if he wants to stay . I believe there's no smoke without fire , I am surprised that we appear to have so many players now running into their last year of contract. Is it any different to other clubs though? I see many fans of opposition complaining of the same problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, sephjnr said: Mark Ashton's award-winning negotiation hard at work. Well.......it could be that MA is a very tough negotiator and adopts a 'take it or leave it' position in line with SLs transfer strategy. The fact that players might move on is part of his stance and therefore acceptable. Lets face it - players come and go twice every season and fans of all clubs tend to panic when better/senior players move on but just look at when Kodjia and then Tammy moved on - panic!!!! but did those moves actually make a difference? It'll be the same this season. Both Flint and Reid (£17m) have gone but City have signed a ball playing CB in Webster and an experienced RB along with several other attack minded players. Kelly has matured tremendously and will be another 'club in the bag'. City will be fine next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: Well.......it could be that MA is a very tough negotiator and adopts a 'take it or leave it' position in line with SLs transfer strategy. The fact that players might move on is part of his stance and therefore acceptable. The notion is completely acceptable. The proximity of these expiries is an issue that warrants a bit more than a shoulder-shrug as it would surely put more strain on him and his team to have to do these negotiations at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Have I missed something? He was found guilty of this offence....I’m not sure anyone is questioning his character...but he has been found guilty of spitting....so there must have been evidence of this.... I'm coming late to this conversation and have not read it all on this thread or others, but as others may have mentioned, it's all about intent. Like it or not, every player spits multiple times during a game; it may be that one of Fammy's connected with a Brum player. There is always that chance but that does not mean it was intentional, or worthy of a ban. Fammy swears he didn't spit at anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I'm coming late to this conversation and have not read it all on this thread or others, but as others may have mentioned, it's all about intent. Like it or not, every player spits multiple times during a game; it may be that one of Fammy's connected with a Brum player. There is always that chance but that does not mean it was intentional, or worthy of a ban. Fammy swears he didn't spit at anybody. Wrong thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 hours ago, J D said: We don't need another. He would've scored 20 had he not been injured. Oh yes we do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, sephjnr said: Wrong thread? No, just adding my bit to a conversation already in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J D Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, swanker said: Oh yes we do!. Right. So we need 2 strikers that regularly score 20 goals a season. Remind me, how many of the promoted teams last year had 2 strikers who scored 20 goals? Our defence could end up being worse off without Flint but we won't need 2 strikers to score 20 goals to compensate for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbeast Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Given Diedhiou's suspension the club don't need to sanction a move for Djuric until the end of August. If I were in charge I'd be telling Djuric he's got 6 games to win his place. I know many would disagree with me here but I think the two big men could work together. Famara's not an out and out target man but could feed off Milan knock downs. Given we've strengthened the wings I think that would be effective. Obviously if we sign Marriott or someone similar then we would play them instead of Djuric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, numbeast said: Given Diedhiou's suspension the club don't need to sanction a move for Djuric until the end of August. If I were in charge I'd be telling Djuric he's got 6 games to win his place. I know many would disagree with me here but I think the two big men could work together. Famara's not an out and out target man but could feed off Milan knock downs. Given we've strengthened the wings I think that would be effective. Obviously if we sign Marriott or someone similar then we would play them instead of Djuric. Doesn't window shut before the season starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, J D said: Right. So we need 2 strikers that regularly score 20 goals a season. Remind me, how many of the promoted teams last year had 2 strikers who scored 20 goals? Our defence could end up being worse off without Flint but we won't need 2 strikers to score 20 goals to compensate for that. It’s not that we need 2 strikers that will score 20 goals. What I’m a bit concerned about is, other than Fammy, do we have someone who will get into double figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, swanker said: It’s not that we need 2 strikers that will score 20 goals. What I’m a bit concerned about is, other than Fammy, do we have someone who will get into double figures? We do really lack goals from midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, J D said: Right. So we need 2 strikers that regularly score 20 goals a season. Remind me, how many of the promoted teams last year had 2 strikers who scored 20 goals? Our defence could end up being worse off without Flint but we won't need 2 strikers to score 20 goals to compensate for that. Have I missed something Do we have one ? We didn’t last season and as yet havnt one let alone 2 atm for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbeast Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Super said: Doesn't window shut before the season starts? Only for incoming transfers to English clubs, out going transfer abroad go to that countries transfer windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Super said: Doesn't window shut before the season starts? No, August 9th, so after the first game. Loan window closes on August 31st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Robbored said: Well.......it could be that MA is a very tough negotiator and adopts a 'take it or leave it' position in line with SLs transfer strategy. The fact that players might move on is part of his stance and therefore acceptable. Lets face it - players come and go twice every season and fans of all clubs tend to panic when better/senior players move on but just look at when Kodjia and then Tammy moved on - panic!!!! but did those moves actually make a difference? It'll be the same this season. Both Flint and Reid (£17m) have gone but City have signed a ball playing CB in Webster and an experienced RB along with several other attack minded players. Kelly has matured tremendously and will be another 'club in the bag'. City will be fine next season. I agree we will be fine, as long as the 2nd half season' form' from the last is not replicated, but with another 'new look' team the slate is wiped clean, as it is with almost every other club. So we start again, always hoping for the best and you never know, we might be surprised. We have after all signed a Premier league striker with bags of experience to replace BR and until it starts for real no one knows how things will pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J D Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 hours ago, swanker said: It’s not that we need 2 strikers that will score 20 goals. What I’m a bit concerned about is, other than Fammy, do we have someone who will get into double figures? That's a better point. Though i'm not sure it's something worth being concerned over: Diédhiou alone will be fine imo. 3 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Have I missed something Do we have one ? We didn’t last season and as yet havnt one let alone 2 atm for next season True tbf, though Diédhiou would've done had it not been for injury imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 12 hours ago, J D said: He would've scored 20 had he not been injured. You will never know that...impossible to prove.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Dazzler Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Buckeyed said: He showed against Palace that he is a good player, completely turned that game around for us. Very much the case with that game, we were losing 0-1 to a confident Palace team, he came on for the injured FD, and within minutes he won the header that set up Matty Taylor's goal and then scored one himself. Fairly safe to say that the financial consequences of winning that game and progressing in the cup more than paid off his fee. Not forgetting the winning goal v Rotherham in the previous season, which was a massive win and helped turn the corner in our fight against the dreaded drop. I would say that he has definitely proved his worth, would love to see him stay and show what he can do when fully fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 hours ago, J D said: Right. So we need 2 strikers that regularly score 20 goals a season. Remind me, how many of the promoted teams last year had 2 strikers who scored 20 goals? Our defence could end up being worse off without Flint but we won't need 2 strikers to score 20 goals to compensate for that. Our defense was shit with Flint in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Robbored said: Well.......it could be that MA is a very tough negotiator and adopts a 'take it or leave it' position in line with SLs transfer strategy. The fact that players might move on is part of his stance and therefore acceptable. Lets face it - players come and go twice every season and fans of all clubs tend to panic when better/senior players move on but just look at when Kodjia and then Tammy moved on - panic!!!! but did those moves actually make a difference? It'll be the same this season. Both Flint and Reid (£17m) have gone but City have signed a ball playing CB in Webster and an experienced RB along with several other attack minded players. Kelly has matured tremendously and will be another 'club in the bag'. City will be fine next season. Alan injured again all ready our right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 16/07/2018 at 07:28, Chris_Brown said: This nonsense about needing a 20 goal striker rears it's head again. Would be far better to have goals spread around the team than be reliant on one striker (again). We have had a (different) 20 goal striker every season for the last 5 and it doesn't seem particularly to correlate to where we finish. And we got to the playoff final in the relatively recent past with a top scorer of 8. Would be better to concede less, then we would;t need to have to score so many to get results. When you need 5 to get get a draw it tells you that scoring goals is not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xspence Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 hours ago, New Dazzler said: Very much the case with that game, we were losing 0-1 to a confident Palace team, he came on for the injured FD, and within minutes he won the header that set up Matty Taylor's goal and then scored one himself. Fairly safe to say that the financial consequences of winning that game and progressing in the cup more than paid off his fee. Not forgetting the winning goal v Rotherham in the previous season, which was a massive win and helped turn the corner in our fight against the dreaded drop. I would say that he has definitely proved his worth, would love to see him stay and show what he can do when fully fit. Arguably our most important goal of that season. Without it I fear we would have gone down, Chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing” when lj brought him on for Tammy. If he wants to stay (and I think that’s a big if as he is a 28 year old international who will start on the bench most weeks) then a definite keep for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J D Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 11 hours ago, frenchred said: Our defense was shit with Flint in it! It was average tbh. It was the 11th best in the league based on goals conceded. 11 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: You will never know that...impossible to prove.... True I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 12 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: You will never know that...impossible to prove.... True, but if speculation wasn’t allowed this would be a deadly dull place!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, italian dave said: True, but if speculation wasn’t allowed this would be a deadly dull place!! People love to speculate, why do you suppose you don't see a poor bookie? Most of us like the odd bet or two. That said, when it comes to City transfers I prefer to simply believe facts rather than the wild speculation we see everywhere in the media and of course the ever unreliable social media.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, Robbored said: People love to speculate, why do you suppose you don't see a poor bookie? Most of us like the odd bet or two. That said, when it comes to City transfers I prefer to simply believe facts rather than the wild speculation we see everywhere in the media and of course the ever unreliable social media.......... Which begs the eternal question RR, why do you continue to use this particular sub forum which is almost all ‘wild speculation’ by your definition? When things become official (ie on the OS) they move to the main Football Chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Which begs the eternal question RR, why do you continue to use this particular sub forum which is almost all ‘wild speculation’ by your definition? When things become official (ie on the OS) they move to the main Football Chat. Tbh, PF, I don't actually know which sub forum or forum I'm in. It makes no difference to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Tbh, PF, I don't actually know which sub forum or forum I'm in. It makes no difference to me. Let me explain then - the purpose of this sub forum (the one named Transfer Forum) is for rumours and general ‘wild speculation’. Probably not suitable for someone with your attitude towards ‘wild speculation’. If said rumours become official - ie on the OS - they are then transferred to the main forum (the one named Football Chat), I’ve left some examples below for your reference. That would be more suitable for someone with your attitude towards ‘wild speculation’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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