Undy English Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Surprised there wasn't a thread on this yet, so thought I'd start one. For those unaware, Ozil has retired from international duty today, citing 'racism' as a cause: he no longer feels he can wear the shirt because he's 'an immigrant' when he loses, but 'a German' when he wins. Again, for those unaware, Ozil is a Turk and holds dual citizenship, meaning he maintains voting rights in Turkey during General Elections. He was recently pictured with Turkish President Erdogan in a photo that caused a lot of controversy, hence all the spot light this incident is getting. This particular case raises lots of interesting and complex questions on nationality within football and whether fans/media are indeed 'racist' when it comes to foreign-born of mixed race players. That said, should players have a bit more common sense i.e. sing the national anthem of the county they're representing and avoid photos and politics dabbling with foreign heads of state with dodgy human rights records? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, Undy English said: Surprised there wasn't a thread on this yet, so thought I'd start one. For those unaware, Ozil has retired from international duty today, citing 'racism' as a cause: he no longer feels he can wear the shirt because he's 'an immigrant' when he loses, but 'a German' when he wins. Again, for those unaware, Ozil is a Turk and holds dual citizenship, meaning he maintains voting rights in Turkey during General Elections. He was recently pictured with Turkish President Erdogan in a photo that caused a lot of controversy, hence all the spot light this incident is getting. This particular case raises lots of interesting and complex questions on nationality within football and whether fans/media are indeed 'racist' when it comes to foreign-born of mixed race players. That said, should players have a bit more common sense i.e. sing the national anthem of the county they're representing and avoid photos and politics dabbling with foreign heads of state with dodgy human rights records? I respect what ozil has done in terms of retiring from international football but I also agree with the Bryan that he's been dog shit for years, I don't know if that makes me a raciest or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 He has to be one of (if not the) most frustrating players to watch. You never know, the new manager at Arsenal may give him a kick up the arse and turn him into a consistent player. Rather than one who just turns up occasionally with some of the most sublime skill and passing we're likely to witness in English football. When he signed, we were supposed to be seeing someone who could rival David Silva for the best player in that role in the Premier League, but DS has blown him out the water every year in my opinion. The whole German vs immigrant tag, very harsh on him. He's represented Germany for many years now and (bar this year) they've been a dominant force with World Football with him in the side. You dont play that many games for your country without having something about you. 92 caps according to wikipedia, and he's not even 30. That being said, he's played with some phenomenal German players who have grown together over the last decade. Mind you, Andy Murray is Scottish when he loses but British when he wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 He's won German National Team Player of the Year 5 times. I don't know if thats voted for by German fans? Seems to be a bit of a backlash from a bad World Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Fall guy for the diabolical German WC performance I'm afraid. Any form of racism is wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Monkeh said: I respect what ozil has done in terms of retiring from international football but I also agree with the Bryan that he's been dog shit for years.... Not really ‘dog shit’ ...... http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/11286094/mesut-ozil-brings-up-50-premier-league-assists-in-record-time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Ozil isn’t a Turk, he was born in Germany therefore he is German. He isn’t Turkish, his family is from Turkey he isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, AshtonPark said: Ozil isn’t a Turk, he was born in Germany therefore he is German. He isn’t Turkish, his family is from Turkey he isn’t. Thanks for clearing that up. Do you want to let Mezit Ozil know the outcome of your Genealogists report..?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 The Bayern Munich chairman wasn't exactly complementary.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, AshtonPark said: Ozil isn’t a Turk, he was born in Germany therefore he is German. He isn’t Turkish, his family is from Turkey he isn’t. It's quite funny really I have two brother in laws both were born in England. One claims to be Welsh the other a New Zealander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: Thanks for clearing that up. Do you want to let Mezit Ozil know the outcome of your Genealogists report..?! sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, it seems to be the only thing you can do on posts on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 He’s got Freddy Davis eyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 16 hours ago, Monkeh said: I respect what ozil has done in terms of retiring from international football but I also agree with the Bryan that he's been dog shit for years, I don't know if that makes me a raciest or not Is that the Ozil who was ‘dog shit’ when they won the World Cup ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedJim Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 16 hours ago, Monkeh said: I respect what ozil has done in terms of retiring from international football but I also agree with the Bryan that he's been dog shit for years, I don't know if that makes me a raciest or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 14 hours ago, The Batman said: He has to be one of (if not the) most frustrating players to watch. You never know, the new manager at Arsenal may give him a kick up the arse and turn him into a consistent player. Rather than one who just turns up occasionally with some of the most sublime skill and passing we're likely to witness in English football. When he signed, we were supposed to be seeing someone who could rival David Silva for the best player in that role in the Premier League, but DS has blown him out the water every year in my opinion. The whole German vs immigrant tag, very harsh on him. He's represented Germany for many years now and (bar this year) they've been a dominant force with World Football with him in the side. You dont play that many games for your country without having something about you. 92 caps according to wikipedia, and he's not even 30. That being said, he's played with some phenomenal German players who have grown together over the last decade. Mind you, Andy Murray is Scottish when he loses but British when he wins. The difference is Andy Murray's a nause........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, AshtonPark said: sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, it seems to be the only thing you can do on posts on this forum. The only people who actually believe it’s the lowest form of wit are those who are incapable of it. But if you don’t like my posting style, feel free to block me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 hours ago, swanker said: He’s got Freddy Davis eyes! Sick sick sick up to ear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonR Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: The only people who actually believe it’s the lowest form of wit are those who are incapable of it. But if you don’t like my posting style, feel free to block me. I gotta stand by Bar here, Sarcasm and especially Dark sarcasm should be taught in schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: The only people who actually believe it’s the lowest form of wit are those who are incapable of it. But if you don’t like my posting style, feel free to block me. Ozil has said there are claims of racism, as one minute he is German the next when he loses he is an immigrant, which is isn’t. The poster made a post saying he is Turkish, ozil doesn’t class himself as Turkish he classes himself as German. Hence the racism claims etc. Can’t you see why i posted it? I fail to see how a sarcastic reply to something like this is funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 12 hours ago, Chairman Mao said: The Bayern Munich chairman wasn't exactly complementary.... All very correct and totally clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, AshtonPark said: Ozil has said there are claims of racism, as one minute he is German the next when he loses he is an immigrant, which is isn’t. The poster made a post saying he is Turkish, ozil doesn’t class himself as Turkish he classes himself as German. Hence the racism claims etc. Can’t you see why i posted it? I fail to see how a sarcastic reply to something like this is funny? Ozil clearly does embrace his dual nationality, so the Turkish aspect can’t be ignored. I agree that he’s being made a scapegoat for Germany’s failure in this World Cup and I agree with him that he shouldn’t be hailed as a German legend when they succeed but be ridiculed as a Turk when they fail. Maybe he should have thicker skin about the whole issue, but I can see his discontent over it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said: Sick sick sick up to ear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, swanker said: Who's a pretty boy then..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 Good for him for taking a stand. He had become a proper scapegoat for the complete embarrassment that Germany had been at the WC. No doubt can be inconsistent but still the type of player that would fit on any team in the world. Erdogan might be an evil piece of **** but that should not cross into football. If a dictator known for his dirty tricks and scare tactics wanted a photo with you, you'd struggle to say no even if you hated him, due to self preservation and keeping your family out of danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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