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Tristan Cork

Matchday Parking/Travel 2018/19 (Merged)

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I'm lucky. I will be walking from home to Ashton Gate on Saturday, because it's not far.
But for those driving in, I've been doing a few stories about changes and developments to parking and buses and getting to the ground this season.
First up, Southville RPZ has been extended to Saturday. This covers anyone parking in the streets behind Aldi, basically. east of Greville Smyth Park and north of North Street.
There's an 'interactive map' and an explanation here: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-city-residents-parking-southville-1854393

 

Southville RPZ and Ashton Gate.JPG

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As a fan and a local resident, I maybe naively believe actually residents and fans want the same thing - proper matchday parking which is convenient, accessible, doesn't block roads or driveways, and doesn't mean people get towed or ticketed .

Everyone hoped Metrobus M2 would be an answer, but guess what? It's not adding much extra in terms of options for people.
Saturday 3pm kick offs you can go from Temple MEads/City Centre to the Ashton Gate stop (behind Paxton Drive) but Sundays or midweek? not an option.
And as for the Long Ashton park and ride? same as before.

Honestly tearing my hair out with this one now, and i aint got any hair.
Done this article highlighting just how frustrating it is
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/new-metrobus-wont-running-ashton-1854040
 

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Be interested if you do get an answer as to why on earth it is not going to run for approximately half the football/ rugby games scheduled this season.

Seems a shambles of the park & ride nature to me..

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2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Be interested if you do get an answer as to why on earth it is not going to run for approximately half the football/ rugby games scheduled this season.

Seems a shambles of the park & ride nature to me..

Yes. I've asked if it will - answer 'no'
Then asked 'why not'.
Still waiting for an answer
From speaking to the club I know they are very frustrated, to say the least.
It seems particularly mad to not keep it going for an extra hour on a weekday evening, til 10.30.
I actually think that they actively and strategically don't want Metrobus to be an option for fans travelling to the Stadium. They are worried if it is, everyone will want to use it, and it won't be able to cope.
 

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1 minute ago, Tristan Cork said:

Yes. I've asked if it will - answer 'no'
Then asked 'why not'.
Still waiting for an answer
From speaking to the club I know they are very frustrated, to say the least.
It seems particularly mad to not keep it going for an extra hour on a weekday evening, til 10.30.
I actually think that they actively and strategically don't want Metrobus to be an option for fans travelling to the Stadium. They are worried if it is, everyone will want to use it, and it won't be able to cope.
 

Thanks, no wonder we have gridlock though if the reason not to run it is they are scared it will be too popular!

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Why isn't Metrobus M2 an option for midweek on Sunday fixtures?

Can the Park and Ride at Long Ashton be used for Metrobus ? ie one stop hop

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1 hour ago, myol'man said:

Why isn't Metrobus M2 an option for midweek on Sunday fixtures?

Can the Park and Ride at Long Ashton be used for Metrobus ? ie one stop hop

Don't think it runs Sunday's or after 9pm so car park will be closed.

 

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What a joke this City and it's council are. If they anted to see a Metro system that works and can cater for large events why not go to Sheffield, Nottingham or Manchester. It is not like Bristol had to invent the bloody wheel.

It is more likely that our wonderful council just wanted it done on the cheap again. They even messed that up. I also think involving First was a mistake.

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6 minutes ago, myol'man said:

Just heard the Metrobus boss on radio Bristol. Not enough buses to cope with a large football crowd!

As metro bus isn't running on a Sunday, you'd think they'd have enough buses to cope with the journey between the P&R and Ashton Gate,  if that's all they did. 

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8 minutes ago, myol'man said:

Just heard the Metrobus boss on radio Bristol. Not enough buses to cope with a large football crowd!

That's fair enough, but the council shouldn't be putting parking restrictions in place until there's viable alternatives i.e more buses, metro, p&r, trains etc..

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This issue has been a recurring one for a while.

Parking, etc etc.

Just out of general interest, how do other clubs- and I don't necessarily mean out of town grounds like Derby- cope with it? Is it the same everywhere, or is the problem here quite acute?

(Would also exclude lots of London clubs owing to the tube and their general transport infrastructure).

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Not sure if I'm understanding this 100% but is North Street completely off bounds for parking now? I usually park opposite the Masonic for £3 on the pay & display but will I still be able to on saturdays?

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2 hours ago, myol'man said:

Just heard the Metrobus boss on radio Bristol. Not enough buses to cope with a large football crowd!

So... either buy more buses or get the **** out of your job. Matey, we’re being forced to give up our cars and use your friggin public transport. We really, really don’t want to. However, we have no choice so get off your arse and do something. 

 

BTW. Why do you lot vote in such w@nkers to run your glorious city?

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8 minutes ago, Moor2Sea said:

 

BTW. Why do you lot vote in such w@nkers to run your glorious city?

I assume The same reasons people vote for this govt to run this glorious country..🙄

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1 hour ago, Moor2Sea said:

BTW. Why do you lot vote in such w@nkers to run your glorious city?

Absolutely sickening. Champagne socialists toasting their success in turning Bemmy into a London suburb while genuine Bristolians are forced out to Bridgwater. Probably be a ban on singing on Saturdays next as the words are transphobic. Complete joke this council has bent us all over for decades now. 

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The most backward City in this country. Laughable. No shock with a **** Like Marvin Rees arouund

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My plan for midweek games doesn't change at least, turn up at 5pm on the dot, usually spaces still around and then go get some food before the game.

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Let’s see, build a station at Ashton Gate halt, two trains to and from Temple Meads on match days. P&R at Long Ashton, extra buses to/ from there on match days and to/ from the centre. How do we make something as simple and obvious as that so difficult? Privatisation!!! Better service at lower cost my a**e

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I cannot believe that this isn't a talking point on this forum, but it is relevant to anyone wanting to bring a car into Southville this Saturday for all Mondays through to Saturdays to come.

Here's the link below. Apologies if I have missed a previous thread about this already.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-city-residents-parking-southville-1854393

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I come in from Cardiff and use the Portway P+R nowadays. 

Piece of pish getting in, drops off right outside.

Only slight issue is occasionally not enough buses immediately after game but that got better as last season went on and yesterday’s article on OS indicated there will be more again this year.

If you come in from M5 or M4 west strongly recommend giving it a go. Far less hassle than driving in and trying to find somewhere to park and if you can get the first bus out after the game you’ll be back on the motorway by 5.30.

 

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As @Tristan Cork has correctly said the RPZ behind Hen & Chicken / Masonic / Spanish etc is now effective on a Saturday. There is, however, no such restriction, bizarrely, on the streets immediately next to the ground. Whilst Bristol Sport claim that a few extra buses will help alleviate congestion around the ground, we all know that the RPZ just moves the problem and in reality BS are just ignoring the real impact on their neighbours  - or is it the Council at fault for not being more proactive!?

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2 hours ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said:

Champagne socialists toasting their success in turning Bemmy into a London suburb

Then presumably this Londoner can park where he likes when making the trek?

If I had my way the whole of Bristol's Council would be able to park where they liked, courtesy of the Blue Badges their deserved crippled limbs would afford them.

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2 hours ago, Super said:

The most backward City in this country. Laughable. No shock with a **** Like Marvin Rees arouund

Sooo .. what if the next Marvin Rees had a huge backing of Bristol City Supporters behind him/her instead. Can we help bring about the change we want?
Perhaps there's a red out there approaching the retirement age (or not), who needs a fresh challenge? Can we give them perhaps 20Kish of support?

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7 hours ago, LocoPal said:

Sooo .. what if the next Marvin Rees had a huge backing of Bristol City Supporters behind him/her instead. Can we help bring about the change we want?
Perhaps there's a red out there approaching the retirement age (or not), who needs a fresh challenge? Can we give them perhaps 20Kish of support?

What like stoney?

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I've got a simple solution that would solve alot of the problem,

reopen the POD line and put in a station at Ashton Gate Halt, run a half hourly service to temple meads then,

god if only it were that simple and the council and government could actually forward plan............

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Public transport is rubbish we travel by train and they only use two carriages for hundreds of football fans so its packed but the good point about that is that they can't check tickets so it's free for a lot of people.

Why don't they put more carriages on when they know it's going to be so crowded,it's not rocket science !  

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12 minutes ago, foghornred said:

Public transport is rubbish we travel by train and they only use two carriages for hundreds of football fans so its packed but the good point about that is that they can't check tickets so it's free for a lot of people.

Why don't they put more carriages on when they know it's going to be so crowded,it's not rocket science !  

football fixtures come out long after the train timetable has been submitted and brought into effect,

It isn't cost effective, and would eat into the train operating company's profits 

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15 hours ago, WRERE said:

Not sure if I'm understanding this 100% but is North Street completely off bounds for parking now? I usually park opposite the Masonic for £3 on the pay & display but will I still be able to on saturdays?

yes that's still fine

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Update - this is why the Metrobus M2 isn't for Ashton Gate events, like matches, with thousands of people.

They would have to put on extra buses.
But regular buses can't drive along the guide rail, and in any case can't go under the Ashton Swing Bridge.
Did this explaining more
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/exclusive-metrobus-never-meant-be-1856068

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3 minutes ago, Tristan Cork said:

Update - this is why the Metrobus M2 isn't for Ashton Gate events, like matches, with thousands of people.

They would have to put on extra buses.
But regular buses can't drive along the guide rail, and in any case can't go under the Ashton Swing Bridge.
Did this explaining more
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/exclusive-metrobus-never-meant-be-1856068

@Tristan Cork it all comes down to costs, First won't invest in more buses because it will eat into any profits they could make, while they will be busy during match days at the close season and between games they won't be used and would still cost money to maintain,

 

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Just wondering when the concept of public transport disappeared from this country. They encourage us to 'use public transport' but there ain't none. Most of the buses that are any use seem to ones that the club pays for, so not really 'public'. 

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17 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

@Tristan Cork it all comes down to costs, First won't invest in more buses because it will eat into any profits they could make, while they will be busy during match days at the close season and between games they won't be used and would still cost money to maintain,

 

yes, exactly.

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1 hour ago, Tristan Cork said:

Update - this is why the Metrobus M2 isn't for Ashton Gate events, like matches, with thousands of people.

They would have to put on extra buses.
But regular buses can't drive along the guide rail, and in any case can't go under the Ashton Swing Bridge.
Did this explaining more
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/exclusive-metrobus-never-meant-be-1856068

Well, the question would be why design a stupid system that only 1% of the bus fleet can use. In today's world flexibility is the key to business success. Hopeless, absolute shambles.

As it is those many supporters from the South West travelling by train have to leave the game early to get on the first bus and just hope as it inevitably gets clogged up in traffic - being routed through the most congested roads in TownCentre  - that the driver will use his/her discretion to go up Temple Meads approach road so you can hop off and sprint to the furthest platform to catch the Plymouth bound train. 

Is there no wonder that people elect to use their cars?

Joined up public transport planning my @rse.

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UPDATE to this whole issue.
After Southville RPZ, now Imperial are not letting people park there on matchdays.
While it's 500 spaces in their car park, it was a bit of an informal arrangement for ex-employees and mates and stuff, so it was never full, but it's still more cars to park somewhere else.
The full story is here if anyone needs more details. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/500-space-car-park-next-1874948
I'll keep on about this issue, Metrobus, the Park and Ride, the rubbish public transport, the lack of trains, buses, viable alternatives and so on.
Until recently (and it still might well be the case) First, the council and Bristol Sport all passed this on to the other and said 'you should do something about this', and there has never really been any joined-up thinking. Or maybe even any thinking at all...

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Maybe a survey could be done to identify where people are driving from and coaches could be arranged for travel to and from those locations. 

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On 02/08/2018 at 23:23, jimmyb said:

I come in from Cardiff and use the Portway P+R nowadays. 

Piece of pish getting in, drops off right outside.

Only slight issue is occasionally not enough buses immediately after game but that got better as last season went on and yesterday’s article on OS indicated there will be more again this year.

If you come in from M5 or M4 west strongly recommend giving it a go. Far less hassle than driving in and trying to find somewhere to park and if you can get the first bus out after the game you’ll be back on the motorway by 5.30.

 

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Where do you catch the bus from to get back to the P&P? Also how much is it?

This could be a option for me this season as parking by Babcocks is becoming a absolute nightmare to get out of. after the game.

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On 03/08/2018 at 08:35, Monkeh said:

football fixtures come out long after the train timetable has been submitted and brought into effect,

It isn't cost effective, and would eat into the train operating company's profits 

How true and slightly off topic... Last season I went to Millwall away, had seats reserved etc so walked up about 5 minutes before departure at Temple Meads.  Get to platform and we got a brand new train, our carriage was closed and out of use, the one next to it was closed and out of use. So it ended up a free for all for seats as ours tickets now had no reserved seats for us. So we now have a train with 2 less carriages that still proceeded to be taken all the way to London. This was the same day Bath were at Twickenham so the whole train was rammed with 2 empty carriages for the whole journey. They could have put on 2 different carriages and filled them with paying customers, but not our train companies, they just pack everyone in and cause friction just to save a few quid. What they don't see is in the long run they save nothing, and it costs them money because people don't want to get the train if they don't have to.

Will be driving to a few games this season rather than pay them my hard earned if I don't have to. Bolton away Saturday was £90 when I last looked and that included a replacement bus. Disgusting service.

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I catch the 42 or 43 from warmley and it’s on average about a 40/45 minute journey to Debenhams on Bond Street and then a short walk to the bus station where I’m not usually waiting no more than 5 minutes to jump on one of the X bus routes minus the X2 as that doesn’t stop at winterstoke road. Then from the bus station it’s no more than 15 minutes max until you’re at the ground. I’ve been doing this now since 14/15 season and to be honest it’s never crossed my mind to jump in the car and drive down as it’s so much hassle. For those that can use the bus then I’d say give it a go as it’s not that painful. There’s an app where you buy your ticket and also an app which gives you live updates for the upcoming buses at your location so you can plan what time you leave your house, leave the pub and so on. 

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15 minutes ago, BS10 RED said:

Hi mate

Where do you catch the bus from to get back to the P&P? Also how much is it?

This could be a option for me this season as parking by Babcocks is becoming a absolute nightmare to get out of. after the game.

The buses back to Portway P&R leave from outside the Robins pub. They'd added another bus last week, didn't have to wait at all. 

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