Kid in the Riot Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Oh dear. Obviously this is the case for prosecution, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 I wonder when his defence barrister will play the ginger card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Did make me laugh on FB Any truth to the rumour that when the Stokes punch-up video was played in court, the judge said “Can you just rock and roll that for me”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Interesting about the supposed mocking of gay guys in the club given what was reported about him sticking up for some gay guys outside the club which is what lead to the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, hodge said: Interesting about the supposed mocking of gay guys in the club given what was reported about him sticking up for some gay guys outside the club which is what lead to the fight. Reported by one Piers Morgan, I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: Reported by one Piers Morgan, I believe... Was it? Didn't think I read it from him although could have been a case the story being taken from him and reported elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Not sure any of that is relevant. It's quite clear on the video exactly what Stokes did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 35 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Reported by one Piers Morgan, I believe... ..and a few others including Jos. Lets see what the defence say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 This is turning out to be a very ugly and superb prosecution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, EmersonsRed said: This is turning out to be a very ugly and superb prosecution But is it the truth? The defence will state he was defending a gay couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Tomarse said: But is it the truth? The defence will state he was defending a gay couple. Will be an interesting defence for sure. P.S to clear up my awful use of words I mean the prosecution has done a superb job of painting a picture of the night. Social media seems to have made it's mind up already from what I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Strange isn't it. Defending gay guys (seems this came from The Sun) BBC ARTICLE (The link in that bbc article, has now been removed from The Suns website and says 'unavailable for legal reasons, legally removed article' Now today we're hearing that he mocked them (Although I believe this accusation has come from the bouncer and not the two gay blokes themselves) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Strange isn't it. Defending gay guys (seems this came from The Sun) BBC ARTICLE (The link in that bbc article, has now been removed from The Suns website and says 'unavailable for legal reasons, legally removed article' Now today we're hearing that he mocked them (Although I believe this accusation has come from the bouncer and not the two gay blokes themselves) Possibly because it would prejudice the trial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tomarse said: Possibly because it would prejudice the trial? I guess so, still once it's out there, various other outlets then report on it and it's easily found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 40 minutes ago, Tomarse said: But is it the truth? The defence will state he was defending a gay couple. Defending?, at what point does defence become assault. Having decked one to pause and go back and attack a 2nd person doesn't look like defence to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Trials are fascinating things, popularised by the Pistorius and OJ Simpson cases.... Any chance Stokes will be required to try on a leather glove or anything like that today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 36 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Defending?, at what point does defence become assault. Having decked one to pause and go back and attack a 2nd person doesn't look like defence to me. Oh its fairly obvious he whacked people but who knows what happened other than that and lets not pretend that door men are angels in any sense of the word - I'm guessing we'll hear a completely different story from the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Tomarse said: Oh its fairly obvious he whacked people but who knows what happened other than that and lets not pretend that door men are angels in any sense of the word - I'm guessing we'll hear a completely different story from the defence. I'm sure we will, but I suppose it might all hinge on reasonable force. It matters not what happened or who he was defending, can he show that the force he used was reasonable? Me I have or no faith in the justice system in the UK, I am fully expecting him to get away with to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 hours ago, hodge said: Interesting about the supposed mocking of gay guys in the club given what was reported about him sticking up for some gay guys outside the club which is what lead to the fight. I don't follow cricket so wasn't quite sure of the importance, but was told soon after this incident that the claim about defending gay guys was pure PR. I know one of the other defendants who Stokes punched (well, his dad more so, who was down City on Saturday) and there is definitely a feeling the coverage got very one sided previously, making the cricketer out to be some kind of victim/hero in this - hopefully the prosecution case is a much needed reset button. Not sure what the position is for commenting on these things safely during a trial so won't do so (none of my business anyway), suffice to say the prosecution case about Stokes coming back at 2am is exactly what I was told already - all other people mentioned were in the bar with no issues until this bloke returned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 If the prosecution case stacks up then Steve Smith and David Warner will be playing international cricket again before he is. Although surely this totally falls apart when the two men themselves (presumably) tell the same story as they did in the papers just afterwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Defending?, at what point does defence become assault. Having decked one to pause and go back and attack a 2nd person doesn't look like defence to me. This is what it hinges on and the footage of Stokes throwing head shots at a bloke who is walking backwards away from him down the road and throwing nothing back, until he eventually floors him, does not look like self-defence. In fact both the victim and his mate appear to have their arms outstretched as if to say 'stop'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 I know I shouldn't laugh but the front pages choice of Stokes next to another completely irrelevant headline is somewhat amusing in places: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 7, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 14 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: This is what it hinges on and the footage of Stokes throwing head shots at a bloke who is walking backwards away from him down the road and throwing nothing back, until he eventually floors him, does not look like self-defence. In fact both the victim and his mate appear to have their arms outstretched as if to say 'stop'. Very true, but wouldn't be the first person to confront someone then take a slapping off them, themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undy English Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Took a big interest in this one purely because I work pretty much opposite Mbargos club, which is rather good on a Friday and Sunday night I must say. Way it was being reported on the Clifton Triangle rumor wagon is that he was sticking up for 2 homosexual men who were being abused by some drunks. Was very shocked to hear the prosecution alleging the complete opposite yesterday, but at the moment it's rumor v counter rumor with the doormen adding their 2 pence worth. Looking forward to seeing how this trial pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 7, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Undy English said: Took a big interest in this one purely because I work pretty much opposite Mbargos club, which is rather good on a Friday and Sunday night I must say. Way it was being reported on the Clifton Triangle rumor wagon is that he was sticking up for 2 homosexual men who were being abused by some drunks. Was very shocked to hear the prosecution alleging the complete opposite yesterday, but at the moment it's rumor v counter rumor with the doormen adding their 2 pence worth. Looking forward to seeing how this trial pans out. @Undy English that was the version of events I heard to - told to me by a doorman of a venue nearby Surely the easiest thing is to ask the blokes in question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undy English Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, phantom said: @Undy English that was the version of events I heard to - told to me by a doorman of a venue nearby Surely the easiest thing is to ask the blokes in question? Same here Phantom, plus every bouncer in Clifton seems to know the ins and outs of it. Assuming the Crown Court will be questioning these knowledgeable eye witnesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, phantom said: @Undy English that was the version of events I heard to - told to me by a doorman of a venue nearby Surely the easiest thing is to ask the blokes in question? I'm sure the defence will want to cross examine the bouncers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Rascal Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Undy English said: Took a big interest in this one purely because I work pretty much opposite Mbargos club, which is rather good on a Friday and Sunday night I must say. Way it was being reported on the Clifton Triangle rumor wagon is that he was sticking up for 2 homosexual men who were being abused by some drunks. Was very shocked to hear the prosecution alleging the complete opposite yesterday, but at the moment it's rumor v counter rumor with the doormen adding their 2 pence worth. Looking forward to seeing how this trial pans out. And who has the better PR team with the most amount to spend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Quieter on the press front pages today but Adam Aspinall has tweeted fairly good summary through out the day: https://twitter.com/MirrorAsp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 7, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 I liked the way ITV West news described him as acting like a football hooligan, I wonder where the first football fan playing up gets described as acting like an English cricketer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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