Ben Stokes

[Super]

Verdict today?

[marshy]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

That over was discussed on Sky and the verdict was that Stokes was under extreme stress worsened after Bravo whacked a six off the first ball......what the pundits said was that the captain or any other player should have spoken to Stokes at that point to try and relax him and told him to bowl outside of Bravo’s arc.

Yet again fans are happy to slate a player when they’re not aware of what’s going on both with the player and the situation they’re faced with.

True, I was extremely critical of the captain at the time. Both of them equally culpable in my opinion.

Stokes obviously needed his captain there to tell him what to do, or what not to do, that night in Bristol. Surely there has to be a degree of individual responsibility, he is after all a professional sportsman.

[Robbored]

4 minutes ago, marshy said:

True, I was extremely critical of the captain at the time. Both of them equally culpable in my opinion.

Stokes obviously needed his captain there to tell him what to do, or what not to do, that night in Bristol. Surely there has to be a degree of individual responsibility, he is after all a professional sportsman.

Of course they’re both culpable.  It was obvious that Stokes was extremely stressed and not able to think clearly and Morgan should have spoken to him or simply put his hand on Stokes shoulder as a sign of compassion.

He did nothing and we all know the outcome.

[phantom]

1 hour ago, Super said:

Verdict today?

Closing statements today, then over to the jury

[Ecko]

2 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

 

Follwoing this case from afar, and the jury have,of course, been advised not to read media reports, my recollection, from a Piers Morgan comment?, was that BS was defending the 'gay couple', but it seems the two co-accused, Hale and Ali, had already befriended them in the club.

Could it, in fact, be that Hale and Ali, described as 'best friends', are another gay couple, much to the homophobic chagrin of Ben Stokes?

If so, and again, IF found guilty, BS is looking at a custodial sentence.

I personally know both Ali and Hale and they are definitely not gay. 

[PHILINFRANCE]

3 minutes ago, Ecko said:

I personally know both Ali and Hale and they are definitely not gay. 

OK. That clears up that hypothesis then.

I was just intrigued how the press referred to them repeatedly as 'best friends', always with the quotation marks; they had apparently been socialising with the 'gay couple' in the bar and were then all engaged in banter outside and walking from the club before the intervention of BS and AH.

Like others on here, I am astonished to find that the 'gay couple' were not called as witnesses by the BS defence, especially as they had been quoted previously as having been defended by BS: is this evidence that the BS defence was, in fact, BS?

[Kid in the Riot]

1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Like others on here, I am astonished to find that the 'gay couple' were not called as witnesses by the BS defence, especially as they had been quoted previously as having been defended by BS: is this evidence that the BS defence was, in fact, BS?

But equally, why weren't they called by the prosecution if they were being mocked by Stokes? 

[Undy English]

I see a lot of the case has focused on Ali picking up a bottle and the other guy having a metal pole. The Defense gave a very impassioned plea to the jury about 'self defense' and how one should react when challenged with weapons. 

[PHILINFRANCE]

32 minutes ago, Undy English said:

I see a lot of the case has focused on Ali picking up a bottle and the other guy having a metal pole. The Defense gave a very impassioned plea to the jury about 'self defense' and how one should react when challenged with weapons. 

The metal pole was picked up very late in the 'skirmish', well after Hale had been punched - hence the reason the judge directed the jury to find him 'Not Guilty' of affray. 

[EmissionImpossible]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

But equally, why weren't they called by the prosecution if they were being mocked by Stokes? 

It’s all very strange. I would have thought whatever the case they would be called as material witnesses for one side. I was on Stokes side to begin with but given that story is allegedly a big fat lie, I think he should get a few months inside.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, RedDave said:

Woakes did very well but Stokes is certainly a better player.  They will both be in soon anyway as Anderson cannot go on for ever.  

Why wouldn't you pay to watch Stokes?  Superb player with bat and ball.  

The English press secretly like a bad boy in cricket - Botham, Freddie, Stokes. They all have that magic that can turn a game as well. Woakes is certainly a talent but personally see him replacing Jimmy as opening bowler long term 

[The Bard]

If ever a man were guilty, it's Ben Stokes.  If anyone advised him to plead not guilty, they need sacking. 

The video of him being arrested and asking the police whether it was on video says everything me.  He understood what he'd done and was thinking how he could wriggle out of it. Horrible little man.  Couldn't give a **** how good he is at cricket. 

[PHILINFRANCE]

3 hours ago, Tomarse said:

The English press secretly like a bad boy in cricket - Botham, Freddie, Stokes. They all have that magic that can turn a game as well. Woakes is certainly a talent but personally see him replacing Jimmy as opening bowler long term 

Well Yes, to a certain extent.

ITB's episodes with barmaids and cannabis and Freddie's pedalo and 10 Downing Street incidents were glossed over as top class sportsmen just letting off steam.

Should BS indeed be found guilty of affray, as I think we all now suspect, I think the ramifications of what will be seen as a drunken violent attack and its consequent prison sentence, suspended or otherwise, will be be more than frowned upon - and rightly so if, I repeat, he is indeed found guilty.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Is today verdict day or?

[Maesknoll Red]

Not Guilty

[Super]

Wow

 

[Maesknoll Red]

Will now face a Cricket Disciplinary Panel.

[Super]

1 minute ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Will now face a Cricket Disciplinary Panel.

That will be a slap on the wrist.

[EmissionImpossible]

Very surprising 

[Fordy62]

Not guilty. Just like Steven Gerrard wasn’t guilty. 

Gotta love the celeb defence. 

[Fordy62]

Jury foreman: “he’s quite a good cricket player and we like him, shall we just find him not guilty?”

Rest of jury: “oh, go on then!”

[Northern Red]

The evidence that swung it appears to be footage of Hales kicking crap out of the other bloke, which 'proved' that Stokes couldn't have inflicted all of the injuries. Which begs the question; if they had this evidence proving that Hales did it all along and not Stokes, why wasn't Hales in the dock as well?

[Kid in the Riot]

Haha never try and second guess a jury 

Will never know why they came to that decision but bottom line is they believed he was acting in self-defence 

[Guest]

Some posts on here might need editing! Very surprised at the verdict I must say. Jury didn’t take long either 

[phantom]

6 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

The evidence that swung it appears to be footage of Hales kicking crap out of the other bloke, which 'proved' that Stokes couldn't have inflicted all of the injuries. Which begs the question; if they had this evidence proving that Hales did it all along and not Stokes, why wasn't Hales in the dock as well?

Guess "WE" can't say for sure how he got those injuries, but found it odd all the way through that Alex Hales was not called up

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, Tomarse said:

Some posts on here might need editing! Very surprised at the verdict I must say. Jury didn’t take long either 

Hahaha. Whose posts would they be?

4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Haha never try and second guess a jury 

Very, very wise words. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Fordy62 said:

Hahaha. Whose posts would they be?

Ones saying he’s guilty etc! 

[phantom]

1 minute ago, Tomarse said:

Some posts on here might need editing! Very surprised at the verdict I must say. Jury didn’t take long either 

I wonder if the key was that the jury asked for the uncostested witness statements and medical reports for Ali.

Like the way they both shook hands after the announcement was made 

[Fordy62]

2 minutes ago, phantom said:

I wonder if the key was that the jury asked for the uncostested witness statements and medical reports for Ali.

Like the way they both shook hands after the announcement was made 

Until Stokesy sees him outside...

[And Its Smith]

16 hours ago, The Bard said:

If ever a man were guilty, it's Ben Stokes.  If anyone advised him to plead not guilty, they need sacking. 

The video of him being arrested and asking the police whether it was on video says everything me.  He understood what he'd done and was thinking how he could wriggle out of it. Horrible little man.  Couldn't give a **** how good he is at cricket. 

Is this why you arent a lawyer?!