where's the joy Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 the grow your own and sell them to liverpool model worked for the saints for years. i cant help but think we are going the same way. thank goodness for Warnock or Reid would also have gone to a promotion rival, surely we should not be helping the likes of boro and villa please tell there's a least one better player than flint, bryan or reid coming in this week to compensate for losing the first 3 names on our old team sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 So what we should have held onto Reid and Bryan and lost them for nothing next season? No Premier league clubs came in for Flint and Bryan so its not like we've chosen not to sell to the premier league, that's all that's in for them. Flint the common rumour is he had a release clause in his newest contract so we likely didn't get a choice over his destination. It's how football works though, premier leagues best buy from just below them, the middle clubs buy from the bottom etc we're just a level on the food chain and have to accept that. We can afford the fee for a marquee player but whether they want to come on the wages we can afford is another question. Reid, Flint and Bryan will now all be on wages beyond our wage structure and you advocate us going to sign a better player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Well said @hodge its where City are in the food chain. We are higher in that chain than we were 2/3 seasons ago, but whilst 3 clubs enter the Champ on parachute payments every year, meaning there are likely to be between 6 and 9 clubs on PPs each season, it’s going to be tough to break into that new level. Not impossible, but tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 I don’t mind selling to “rivals”. Did they pay decent money = yes Am I worried our ex-players will play well enough week in, week out to hurt our chances = no Flint and Bryan are good players and were starters in our first XI but they both have mistakes and bad games in them - I don’t think either will set the world alight and bottom line is we conceded far too many with them in the side. Maybe freshening up will change our fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 For years we have people claiming we should scrap the academy because it "doesn't give value for money" or "supply players good enough for the first team". Now it's doing both and people are complaining about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 8 hours ago, where's the joy said: the grow your own and sell them to liverpool model worked for the saints for years. i cant help but think we are going the same way. thank goodness for Warnock or Reid would also have gone to a promotion rival, surely we should not be helping the likes of boro and villa please tell there's a least one better player than flint, bryan or reid coming in this week to compensate for losing the first 3 names on our old team sheet Has it worked for Southampton? They have got considerably worse over the last few seasons and were fortunate to avoid relegation last season. Plus they receive £20m and spend £20m. We receive £10m and spend £2m.... Don't really see the comparison myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Well look at where Southampton are now compared to when we won down there on a Friday night just before Christmas a few seasons back. I'll take that level of success thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 8 hours ago, where's the joy said: the grow your own and sell them to liverpool model worked for the saints for years. i cant help but think we are going the same way. thank goodness for Warnock or Reid would also have gone to a promotion rival, surely we should not be helping the likes of boro and villa please tell there's a least one better player than flint, bryan or reid coming in this week to compensate for losing the first 3 names on our old team sheet Yet another whopper of a post. What's wrong with everyone? Starting to feel like I'm the mental one, might need a break from OTIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, Bryans Left Peg said: Yet another whopper of a post. What's wrong with everyone? Starting to feel like I'm the mental one, might need a break from OTIB. Will you be called “Kelly’s Left Peg” by the end of today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 58 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Has it worked for Southampton? They have got considerably worse over the last few seasons and were fortunate to avoid relegation last season. Plus they receive £20m and spend £20m. We receive £10m and spend £2m.... Don't really see the comparison myself. we've spent a hell of a lot more then 2 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, Monkeh said: we've spent a hell of a lot more then 2 million Don't come here spouting your facts, you will destroy a deeply held belief system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Monkeh said: we've spent a hell of a lot more then 2 million Well yeah obviously we have overall! I was referring to selling one player and spending an equal amount on a direct replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Well yeah obviously we have overall! I was referring to selling one player and spending an equal amount on a direct replacement. 2 different types of players or should we of spent 10 million on a striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, formerly known as ivan said: Has it worked for Southampton? They have got considerably worse over the last few seasons and were fortunate to avoid relegation last season. Plus they receive £20m and spend £20m. We receive £10m and spend £2m.... Don't really see the comparison myself. Sell Flint for £7m and sign Webster for £5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hand of RO'D Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 9 hours ago, hodge said: So what we should have held onto Reid and Bryan and lost them for nothing next season? No Premier league clubs came in for Flint and Bryan so its not like we've chosen not to sell to the premier league, that's all that's in for them. Flint the common rumour is he had a release clause in his newest contract so we likely didn't get a choice over his destination. It's how football works though, premier leagues best buy from just below them, the middle clubs buy from the bottom etc we're just a level on the food chain and have to accept that. We can afford the fee for a marquee player but whether they want to come on the wages we can afford is another question. Reid, Flint and Bryan will now all be on wages beyond our wage structure and you advocate us going to sign a better player? Well said. I like the new city mantra & business model, it’s something that needed addressing and it’s starting to come through. Thinking back before we made huge profits on the sale of Kodjia, Flint Reid & Bryan, when was the last time that happened for one of our players? We are now being seen as a stepping stone for player development & careers which makes young hungry players want to play for us and obscure foreign gems want to join us to eventually get a bigger move. Im all for it just as long as we reinvest in the right footballers so we can also progress as a club on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, myol'man said: Sell Flint for £7m and sign Webster for £5m Thought Webster was around £3m? 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: 2 different types of players or should we of spent 10 million on a striker? If we want promotion then yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 At least other teams actually want to pay us money for our players these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: Has it worked for Southampton? They have got considerably worse over the last few seasons and were fortunate to avoid relegation last season. Plus they receive £20m and spend £20m. We receive £10m and spend £2m.... Don't really see the comparison myself. Van Dijk went for £75 million (with Celtic apparently getting 10%). Saints have spent very little in comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Southport Red said: Will you be called “Kelly’s Left Peg” by the end of today? McQueens left Peg maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 3 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: Thought Webster was around £3m? £3.5m initial fee is what I've read, likely to rise to £5m but could rise to £8m (but expecting that's based on promotion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 8, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Port Said Red said: For years we have people claiming we should scrap the academy because it "doesn't give value for money" or "supply players good enough for the first team". Now it's doing both and people are complaining about that. Out of interest who has come through our academy and made it as an established first team player? Reid / Bryan, anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 minute ago, phantom said: Out of interest who has come through our academy and made it as an established first team player? Reid / Bryan, anyone else? Like I suggested in my reply, it's starting to bear fruit. We have Kelly, Pring O'Leary and others making in roads now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
city123456 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Monkeh said: we've spent a hell of a lot more then 2 million I think he means in regards to one player. £10m for Bobby, £2m spent on Weimann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, phantom said: Out of interest who has come through our academy and made it as an established first team player? Reid / Bryan, anyone else? Skuse/Carey, even so its not a long list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, phantom said: Out of interest who has come through our academy and made it as an established first team player? Reid / Bryan, anyone else? With us or with others? I seem to recall Liam Rosenior...but he jumped ship to Fulham early on. Scott Golbourne...again left early. Both had alright careers. With us though, those 2 the main ones I recall (Reid and Bryan). Skuse and Carey too of course- how could I forget! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxo Jr. Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 The tricky thing about this forum is that there are valid concerns people raise about the squad, the way we approach games and other things, but it's all mixed in with people saying stuff like this. I get that that's the nature of a forum, but it does frustrate me when we make sensible business decisions, buy a mixture of Championship experience, relative youth and high-performing youngsters from lower leagues, and then people come out with quotes like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, phantom said: Out of interest who has come through our academy and made it as an established first team player? Reid / Bryan, anyone else? Our academy has improved as our playing level has improved. Our academy when we were in league 1 produced some first teamers , already mentioned, and a fair few others that float around the lower divisions, Tommy Doc , Wes Burns ... Joe and Bobby did exceptionally well to survive all the upheavals and force their way in to the first team. For a few years now the academy has been more focused, the quality of player has improved and we will see the benefits in the long term , Kelly looks like breaking through this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Bryans Left Peg said: Starting to feel like I'm the mental one, might need a break from OTIB. You need to join the villa forum now anyway surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Thought our defence was pretty average last season (probably cost us a playoff place). Can't say I am too gutted to see Flint and likely Bryan go as although quality on their day they just aren't consistent enough currently. If Reid, Diedhiou or Pack had gone to a championship club I would have been a lot more concerned to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Is being a shit Southampton a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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