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Ian Crabbe

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Just wondered what people’s thoughts were re goals scored from midfield this season.

How many does anyone think will come from,Smith,Pack,O’Dowda,Patterson and Brownhill,

I cant think there will be anymore than maybe 15 between them,is that enough to sustain a

promotion challenge,when we have lost at least 10 from AF & JB.

Hope I’m wrong.

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Our midfield is wanting and has been for the best part of a decade or more. I cannot get my head around why we just haven't gone out and got the midfield maestro/General that has been so obviously needed. We have been ok to spend £5m on a striker and £3or4 million on a defender but seem to misunderstand how our midfield just isn't that solid on a consistent basis. Patto good occasionally, Pack great at what he does as is Korey and Brownhill whilst Walsh I have no real opinion about -yet. it just needs that extra special man in the middle capable of a side splitting pass, controlling the midfield and scoring on a semi regular basis which none of the afore mentioned seem capable of..

Tinnion was pure class as was Hartley but that is all.

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4 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Our midfield is wanting and has been for the best part of a decade or more. I cannot get my head around why we just haven't gone out and got the midfield maestro/General that has been so obviously needed. We have been ok to spend £5m on a striker and £3or4 million on a defender but seem to misunderstand how our midfield just isn't that solid on a consistent basis. Patto good occasionally, Pack great at what he does as is Korey and Brownhill whilst Walsh I have no real opinion about -yet. it just needs that extra special man in the middle capable of a side splitting pass, controlling the midfield and scoring on a semi regular basis which none of the afore mentioned seem capable of..

Tinnion was pure class as was Hartley but that is all.

I don’t remember it being wanting in 2014/15.  Or are you saying we won our league with 99 points, but without a decent midfield?  How many more points do you think we might have got?

Football is a team game, and our most successful teams have always been based on team spirit, not on individual genius.  1976, 1990, 1997, 2007, 2015, all balanced teams.  I think we have a lot of talent in our midfield at the moment...

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10 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I don’t remember it being wanting in 2014/15.  Or are you saying we won our league with 99 points, but without a decent midfield?  How many more points do you think we might have got?

Football is a team game, and our most successful teams have always been based on team spirit, not on individual genius.  1976, 1990, 1997, 2007, 2015, all balanced teams.  I think we have a lot of talent in our midfield at the moment...

No- you're right it wasn't. It was a good League 1 team effort.

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3 hours ago, Ian Crabbe said:

Just wondered what people’s thoughts were re goals scored from midfield this season.

How many does anyone think will come from,Smith,Pack,O’Dowda,Patterson and Brownhill,

I cant think there will be anymore than maybe 15 between them,is that enough to sustain a

promotion challenge,when we have lost at least 10 from AF & JB.

Hope I’m wrong.

15?!

Pack may get 3 or 4. Brownhill same. 

Patterson i think we’ll find wont play much once Diedhiou is fit  

COD 2 if we are lucky.

weve given away lots of goals and i see nowhere where weve replaced these yet  

optimisticly hoping of a ‘name’ striker signing tomorrow but think we are banking our profits this summer unfortunately  

 

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26 minutes ago, nickolas said:

15?!

Pack may get 3 or 4. Brownhill same. 

Patterson i think we’ll find wont play much once Diedhiou is fit  

COD 2 if we are lucky.

weve given away lots of goals and i see nowhere where weve replaced these yet  

optimisticly hoping of a ‘name’ striker signing tomorrow but think we are banking our profits this summer unfortunately  

 

Brownhill had something like 3 league goals before COD was injured in October so if he plays centrally think he can get 6-7. Pack good for 3 or so. Smith probably 0. 

We need more from our wingers though. Watkins, Eliasson, Pato, COD and Adelakun when fit. These need to come up with the goals and assists.

Pato usually making things happen. Something like an average of 1.6 key passes per game. Think he had 7 goals 8 assists in all comps last season. Good return just needs more consistency. 

Watkins had a good season with Barnsley season before last. Even half that output would be a win for us. 

Eliasson will be more assists but already seen that this season. Just needs to keep it up. 

COD is the big one for me. He needs to step it up in terms of goals output. Either scoring or setting up he has not done enough. Big season for him.

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4 hours ago, Ian Crabbe said:

I cant think there will be anymore than maybe 15 between them

They managed 15 goals between them last season (Brownhill & Paterson 5 each, Pack 3, and Smith & O’Dowda 1 each).

Season before they had 7 between them (Paterson 4, Pack 2, Brownhill 1, none for Smith or O’Dowda).

Obviously an element of that improvement will have come from more minutes (haven’t checked in detail but I know Paterson scored at a better rate two seasons ago, for instance).

Ultimately, they’re developing players, and seeing as they doubled their output last season there’s no reason why they couldn’t also improve this.

Of course, they could revert backwards. That’s why we watch, isn’t it? ‘Cos we just don’t know.

But, add in a couple/few for Eliasson potentially if he carries on his form, hope O’Dowda will stay fit this time, and a wildcard one or two from the unknowns of Walsh, Adelakun and Watkins...who knows?

I’d back them to do better than the majority would expect. Which I know isn’t a number, but it’s what I’m going with, so sue me.

 

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The midfield is basically the heart of the team, we've got loads of specialists who have grown and improved over the last few years but none of them are the kind of player who will dictate the tempo of the game.

We've got a mixture of defensive midfielders who get a nosebleed in the final 3rd or lightweight midfielders (in the Bobby Reid mould) who fail to impose themselves on the game.

You only need to read the João Carvalho thread from the forest game to know were crying out for an all rounder with an eye for a pass and goal.

Losing the midfield battle puts more pressure on our defence and makes our attack look toothless, i'm not saying its an easy position to fill as i think De Bruyne already has a club but i think its certainly an area we haven't strengthened and its probably the most important.

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12 hours ago, Ian Crabbe said:

Just wondered what people’s thoughts were re goals scored from midfield this season.

How many does anyone think will come from,Smith,Pack,O’Dowda,Patterson and Brownhill,

I cant think there will be anymore than maybe 15 between them,is that enough to sustain a

promotion challenge,when we have lost at least 10 from AF & JB.

Hope I’m wrong.

There will be no promotion challenge this season fella.

The reason for that in part at least, is the point you have correctly raised, there is not enough goals in the team.

Those that believe Wiemann will address that are deluded. All the comments about him not being played at Villa and Derby in his 'correct' position is purely down to comments he made! I could say my best position is CF - that does not make it true.

I would also suspect that of the large numbers of coaches and managers he worked with at the above clubs onemay have spotted his ability as a striker and played him there!

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13 hours ago, Ian Crabbe said:

Just wondered what people’s thoughts were re goals scored from midfield this season.

How many does anyone think will come from,Smith,Pack,O’Dowda,Patterson and Brownhill,

I cant think there will be anymore than maybe 15 between them,is that enough to sustain a

promotion challenge,when we have lost at least 10 from AF & JB.

Hope I’m wrong.

Smith 1 Pack 2 Brownhill 5 patterson 6

1 hour ago, ScottishRed said:

There will be no promotion challenge this season fella.

The reason for that in part at least, is the point you have correctly raised, there is not enough goals in the team.

Those that believe Wiemann will address that are deluded. All the comments about him not being played at Villa and Derby in his 'correct' position is purely down to comments he made! I could say my best position is CF - that does not make it true.

I would also suspect that of the large numbers of coaches and managers he worked with at the above clubs onemay have spotted his ability as a striker and played him there!

played 1 scored 1

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2 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

Check his goals record!

And if I am being picky it was actually an OG!

check the position he was playing in 

and funnily enough they just showed the play-off final against hull on sky, do you know who our top scorer was that day?

 

Darren Byfield with 9

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3 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Sorry title for a thread because Bristol City don't do goals from midfielders. 

Only strikers, centre halves and left backs! 

we scored 22 goals (29 if you include Joe) from midfield last season

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Was under the impression he could play across the front line- or at least not simply an out and out striker or similar.

Was thinking Forestieri because if it's goals from midfield you're after, if he's wide in a front 3 or one of wingers off the lone striker left side or as an attacking midfielder,  that could be classed as goals from midfield in some respects.

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