hollydog Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 10 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: And this just sums up just how incredibly difficult it really is to land a quality player proven at Championship or above. Even the most blinkered of City fans must realise that Villa have got a much bigger fan base averaging a gate of 32000 and 42,000 for the bigger games.They have a much much bigger budget than us, huge history and so on. Yet they can't get Joe Bryan to sign the minute a Prem club comes a calling with the big wages . And if we go head to head against the big clubs like Villa, Leeds, Boro, Stoke ,WBA and even Forest- we're going to end up disappointed 90% of the time because we just can't compete. The only thing we've got is the prospect of first team football for someone who may not get it elsewhere and the prospect of shining as a big fish in a small pool and furthering their career with a big money move. The gulf is getting bigger every season and we are pretty much now guaranteed to lose every player who has an outstanding season with us at this level. However, at least our club will make serious cash in the meantime and our Academy is providing a real route to sustainability. Eventually, one too many clubs in the Championship will fall foul of FFP or just become too big a liability for the owner ( like Bolton did selling every asset they had) or Coventry etc.Villa came close, Birmingham are there and who knows how Forest will fare. As for loyalty- there is none when doubling/tripling/quadrupling wages are concerned and nor should we expect any. The only true loyalty is from fans who are more likely to cheat on their wife and family than have a secret moment trying on a blue and white quarters shirt. Very probably the most sensible post I've ever read on OTIB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 8 hours ago, sticks 1969 said: I think Steve bull was the last loyal player Steve Bull started out at Wolves' hated enemy West Brom. So he is either a 'turn coat' or a Wolves fan who was willing to play for the Baggies to launch his career. You wouldn't get a true City fan like Marcus Stewart turning out for the Rovers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Maltshoveller said: Really!!! Apart from Bull give a few examples What I meant was, around the time Bull made his England debut, players were being selected who played for Watford, QPR, Crystal Palace, Ipswich etc - so-called unfashionable clubs, but they were picked because they were playing well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 The only other third tier player I can reacall playing for England in my lifetime And I think it was whilst still a third div player and was before Bull Peter Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: The only other third tier player I can reacall playing for England in my lifetime And I think it was whilst still a third div player and was before Bull Peter Taylor And another Palace player John Byrne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: And another Palace player John Byrne. Don’t remember him ! What sort of year was that CA ? Edit Just looked him up 1961-64 Would explain why I can’t remember him Good knowledge / memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC1512 Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 13 hours ago, tin said: You’re right - unless you get promotion to the top flight, in which case you hold all the aces (especially if you’ve got an ambitious owner like Fulham have in Tony Khan). The bottom line is attendances count for nothing, it’s all about the level of football and the wage you can command. It boils down to how much a club wants to pay a player - at any level. Bruce says by his own admission that Villa, a far bigger club with at least a 50% larger average attendance than Fulham, was blown out the water. Take Bournemouth, for example. They have no history, historically abysmal crowds and can pay the going rate. Why? Because they have the ambition our owner lacks. No Fulham got nearly 200 million on tv money where as villa and us got 3-4 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said: David Nugent last Champs Striker to do this iiirc slight stutter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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