JasonM88 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Made a very basic summary of all their permanent deals, in and out. Makes for interesting viewing. BUYS 16/17 Tomlin - 3 million Magnússon - 2.5 O’Dowda - 1.2 Moore - 1.5 Brownhill - 200k Paterson - 500k Engvall - 1.5 Hegeler - 300k Djuric - 1.4 Wright - 500 k Taylor - 300k = 13 million 17/18 Diedhoui - 5.5 Baker - 3 Elliasson - 2 Bakinson - 300k Holden - 200k Walsh - 1.2 = 13.2 million 18/19 Watkins - 1 Webster - 3.5 Adelakun - ? ~500k Weimann - 2 Hunt - 1.6 Eisa 1.5 = 10.1 Million = 36.2 million SALES 16/17 Kodjia - 11 Agard - 750k Ayling - 750k Williams - 250k Burns - 500k Freeman - 300k = 13.5 million (+Bolasie sell on takings (4.5)) 17/18 Tomlin - 3 = 3 million 18/19 Flint - 7 Reid - 10 Bryan - 6 Magnússon - 2.5 Djuric - 900k =26.4 (plus various sell on takings) = 42.9 million So with Johnson here we’ve made a profit on transfers of about 6 million, not a huge amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Transfer profit and higher league placings, sounds like a winner to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wittydisplayname Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 200k for Brownhill, what a steal that is. Has to be worth 2million already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenaldo Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Looks good to me not that many flops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Crabbe Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Heck of a lot of clubs would happy with those stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 What about the cost of the loans during this spell ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 'But Johnson's spend £40m on players since he's been here, other managers haven't been allowed that' insert sarcasm as appropriate for those who wouldn't have got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Somebody, presumably Ashton, certainly deserves credit for getting £16m for 2 players with only a year left on their contracts. There were plenty of posters who were confidently predicting we'd be lucky to get a third of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 @JasonM88 If you've got the time then please can you let us know the same calculations for all the other Championship teams over the same period? I bet you may find that we're one of the very very few in surplus ( excluding those promoted to PL) and that some may be looking at losses bigger than a third world economy. It actually makes for good reading and even better when you add in the current value of players still here e.g. what's Kelly worth, or Browhill, O'Dowda , Famara etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Quality of incomings not good. Recoup value on sales very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightCiderLife Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, Loon plage said: What about the cost of the loans during this spell ? A very good point - I think Kent was expensive. But given we haven’t loaned many in but loaned a lot out I’d be interested to know how it balances. Of course Tammy and Kent cost us more than Bewport paid for McGoalsky but we have 20+ out on loan and must be getting some money in for them whereas we only ever seem to have about 2/3 in at a time. I know Chelsea earn a fortune off all their loans so would be good to know if we cover the cost of our incoming loans with our outgoing loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, BrightCiderLife said: A very good point - I think Kent was expensive. But given we haven’t loaned many in but loaned a lot out I’d be interested to know how it balances. Of course Tammy and Kent cost us more than Bewport paid for McGoalsky but we have 20+ out on loan and must be getting some money in for them whereas we only ever seem to have about 2/3 in at a time. I know Chelsea earn a fortune off all their loans so would be good to know if we cover the cost of our incoming loans with our outgoing loans. Loans from the top clubs tend to be free as long as you play them. That’s when it becomes expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, BrightCiderLife said: A very good point - I think Kent was expensive. But given we haven’t loaned many in but loaned a lot out I’d be interested to know how it balances. Of course Tammy and Kent cost us more than Bewport paid for McGoalsky but we have 20+ out on loan and must be getting some money in for them whereas we only ever seem to have about 2/3 in at a time. I know Chelsea earn a fortune off all their loans so would be good to know if we cover the cost of our incoming loans with our outgoing loans. Given the level that our loanees are going out to, with a few exceptions, I very much doubt we will receive any loan fee. As regards wages, some of them may get a % covered but most likely not all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, Londoner said: Quality of incomings not good. Recoup value on sales very good. Seen a lot of the players brought in this summer have you? Enough to decide they're not good enough quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwilkinson Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 51 minutes ago, Londoner said: Quality of incomings not good. Recoup value on sales very good. This suggests that either Mark Ashton and the scouting team are good at spotting potential talent at the right price or that Lee Johnson and the coaching team add value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastonboy Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 I would also add that the transfer values seem to have risen dramatically over the past couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Interesting to see the numbers over a longer period. It always puzzles me that the signing fees quoted are about what we pay the other club. No-one seems to account for the signing-on bonus that it is commonly stated the players usually get. This is on top of their wages isn't it? I'm guessing this might add a fair bit to the cost of players signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT's Vaseline Tub Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Also Gary O’N being released/not retained freed up our highest earner salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 hours ago, johnwilkinson said: This suggests that either Mark Ashton and the scouting team are good at spotting potential talent at the right price or that Lee Johnson and the coaching team add value. Most of the sales +£36M ...were from players signed and in place before either MA or LJ were appointed. No player signed by MA or LJ has yet to be sold at a profit......So the OP is meaningless. They may well sign, develop, and sell players for a profit ...in future........but profits quoted are down to the Academy and Cotterill mostly ..not forgetting SOD ! (Flint) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, CodeRed said: Most of the sales +£36M ...were from players signed and in place before either MA or LJ were appointed. No player signed by MA or LJ has yet to be sold at a profit......So the OP is meaningless. They may well sign, develop, and sell players for a profit ...in future........but profits quoted are down to the Academy and Cotterill mostly ..not forgetting SOD ! (Flint) LJ can take full credit (alongside Bobby himself) for the 10 million for Bobby Reid. Doesn’t matter if he was here before, as his value was probably 100k before LJ came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 hours ago, chinapig said: Somebody, presumably Ashton, certainly deserves credit for getting £16m for 2 players with only a year left on their contracts. There were plenty of posters who were confidently predicting we'd be lucky to get a third of that. Or leaving for free... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Another point to factor in is that when Johnson came in, we had a fairly small squad which needed bolstering. This will cost a few million. Overall, profit of that nature is very impressive in the modern game. Quite rare really. From a financial point of view we’re doing well. Obviously there’s questions about the quality of some of the transfers, if we can rectify that - things will be looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Here’s a spreadsheet i’ve Been keeping since last season. It doesn’t cover pre-17/18 season. But does include who signed them!!! Will be a tad of guesswork on fees due to undisclosed transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Its fair to say this is now Johnsons squad. We've got Pack, Fielding and Smith as the only inherited players, Smith being a player Johnson has signed at a previous club. If we can achieve a similar finishing position to last year then it probably would show progress over that Johnson period in the context of fees paid and received. A poor finish and the transfer fee income received and paid out dont really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 We can’t sell Flint, Reid and Bryan every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, David Brent said: We can’t sell Flint, Reid and Bryan every year Don't get too used to Brownhill and COD. I fully expect break out seasons for them both. They will be worth £6m each by this time next year. Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 11 hours ago, Chris_Brown said: Seen a lot of the players brought in this summer have you? Enough to decide they're not good enough quality? Londoner isn’t alone in assessing the incoming players without having seen them play................must be real visionaries............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 11 hours ago, johnwilkinson said: This suggests that either Mark Ashton and the scouting team are good at spotting potential talent at the right price or that Lee Johnson and the coaching team add value. And/or Ashton is a brilliant negotiator/salesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 I totally agree with the point that we are still waiting on Johnson’s players coming to fruition on the balance sheets but in a footballing sense, so far his signings have been more effective than the player they replaced - on the whole. I have been wondering about our profit and loss over the last 3 seasons and where that sits with FFP. It was obviously going to be positive but it would be interesting to see what effect next year has - do we have a 3 year rolling plan where making a loss in 1/3 years isn’t a problem and we’ll fight tooth and nail to keep better players again. Kodjia was our only significant out a couple of years back - now we’ve had Flint, Bryan and Reid. Johnson knows that bringing in 3 development players for the price we sold a ‘final product’ will a. Require time for them to reach the level their predecessor was at (&experienced players to hold the fort until they’re ready) b. Hopefully give you 1/3 that are as good or as valuable as their predecessor. or are the club lining up one big bonanza if we hit a stage where year 1 yielded £14m profits year 2 yields £10-14m profits year 3, we get similar sales and have upwards of £60m to play with in transfer fees for year 3 (2x profit years, 1 year of £20m sales and 1xchairman can cover £12m losses) I highly doubt it’s the latter but our ‘loss’ year certainly has to be the year we kick on in footballing terms if not spending - which, I think we did this time, only the club couldn’t sustain it. Hopefully the next serious push is about points on the board rather than ‘this is a surprise and we’re top at Christmas’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 When was this mythical year we made a profit? We lose money every season and that will probably continue until/if we get to the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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