Bolton Wanderers v Bristol City Match Day 2

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

10 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

He must have watched it.

Your not allowed to have opinions of you listened 

 

14 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

I just whole heartily don't rate our manager / head coach....or whatever you want to call him 

The bloke is so over rated it makes me cringe every time he opens his mouth and one of his 'sound bites' poor out 

 

In respect of your first comment- I really do think that watching a game is 100% totally different to listening to a game- and I don't believe anyone has said you're not allowed an opinion- more that it's the wrong opinion based solely on a non visual commentary.

The second quote is just how you are Andy. You dislike Lee Johnson so much and in every way that it clouds your ability to see that a point- any point , whilst not ideal, is ok having gone 2-0 down. If any score other than a win is going to do your head in then I suggest you seek another outlet for your angst. 

Personally, I'm ok about it and believe we'll get better but have no real expectation that we're destined for anything other than an ok season. Lee would never have sold his best players if he had any say in it and given the chance would happily have spent millions more on better recruits. But we're Bristol City not Man City.

[Alessandro]

11 minutes ago, Bri Stool City said:

You do know they are likely to be one of the favs to go down dont you

Maybe so. But it's a tough place to go, despite being down the bottom last season, their home form was decent and they picked up some good wins. They play cynically and the crowd are just as bad, on the ref's back the whole game.

[Northern Red]

3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

According to DH , had a ripped boot and football injury early in game but kept going for us despite struggling

Like his attitude

Very solid signing 

Yeah I think he'll do well. A lot of the comments I saw from Derby fans were highly complimentary about his effort and attitude. 

Not sure he'll hit the sort of numbers that Bobby got last year, despite the good start, but he'll chip in with his fair share. 

[Alessandro]

2 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

 

 

In respect of your first comment- I really do think that watching a game is 100% totally different to listening to a game- and I don't believe anyone has said you're not allowed an opinion- more that it's the wrong opinion based solely on a non visual commentary.

The second quote is just how you are Andy. You dislike Lee Johnson so much and in every way that it clouds your ability to see that a point- any point , whilst not ideal, is ok having gone 2-0 down. If any score other than a win is going to do your head in then I suggest you seek another outlet for your angst. 

Personally, I'm ok about it and believe we'll get better but have no real expectation that we're destined for anything other than an ok season. Lee would never have sold his best players if he had any say in it and given the chance would happily have spent millions more on better recruits. But we're Bristol City not Man City.

Absolutely. 

Sounds so simple, but all three of those "star" players that left us, left because they chose to. 

All had the chance to stay, we wanted them all to stay, all chose to leave. It's time to move on and for people to stop holding it against the club IMO.

[longyears]

A point a game is a relegation certainty - better improve !

[The Original OTIB]

4 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Maybe so. But it's a tough place to go, despite being down the bottom last season, their home form was decent and they picked up some good wins. They play cynically and the crowd are just as bad, on the ref's back the whole game.

Their fans were about as ill-informed about the game as you can possibly get. Every tackle was a foul, ... dreadful.

[Redandwhitescarf]

23 minutes ago, Bri Stool City said:

You do know they are likely to be one of the favs to go down dont you

Tell that to West Brom

[KeepUpLino]

25 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Baker always gives me the impression he’s not over bothered whether he’s out there or not

I've never see the bloke smile!

[Ian M]

1 hour ago, Wanderingred said:

We are averaging a point a game. Over 46 games, that's relegation. Johnson out!! 

Not in 4 of the last 5 seasons it wasnt

8 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Yeah I think he'll do well. A lot of the comments I saw from Derby fans were highly complimentary about his effort and attitude. 

Not sure he'll hit the sort of numbers that Bobby got last year, despite the good start, but he'll chip in with his fair share. 

Hope he does tho, backed him each way at 200/1 to be top scorer

[Mr Popodopolous]

10 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Maybe so. But it's a tough place to go, despite being down the bottom last season, their home form was decent and they picked up some good wins. They play cynically and the crowd are just as bad, on the ref's back the whole game.

Absolutely true.

They are one of those horrible, niggly gnarly sides. Usually one of those away games is tough.

Prutton had us down to lose 1-0 incidentally, betting tip site had is down to draw and independent of that I saw a draw as fairly likely what with all the changes to our squad.

I'd say- coming back from 2 down, spirit and character good, result not so much. As we shouldn't have been 2 down in the first place.

[Alessandro]

43 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

And cannot recall a worthwhile chance before we went 2-0 down, you must agree that as soon as we went 2-0  down and started to inject some pace and playing with passion instead of the boring, negative, languid getting nowhere things improve WTF wait until we are 2-0 down?, Paterson (the goal apart) was poor yet again, Bolton were shit, our final ball, crossing, free kicks, corners and long balls were poor all day and the facts about LJ are irrefutable.

What was harsh?

Although I see where you are coming from, I think you're overly harsh again, but it's all opinions. I do agree that we should play with more urgency and thrust in the final third more often. But we controlled the ball and looked good in possession for 70% of the game today, playing against an anti-football team who, AT HOME, put 11 men behind the ball and hoped to catch us on the break or score from a set piece.

Whatever you say about LJ and this team, they look to play football and have a go. At least it's not what many teams do in this division, like Bolton, set up to survive. I can't imagine what you and many others would say if LJ set us up, at home, to only sit 11 behind the ball and look to catch people on the break. 

Edited August 11, 2018 by Alessandro

[Esmond Million's Bung]

52 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

The fact that you basically said we were awful which we weren’t. Bar one really poor spell we were completely dominant in both halves and never looked under threat. We weren’t clinical enough given the amount of the ball we had, I agree, but we’re also without our main striker so that’s not altogether surprising, is it? 

Of course there are always going to be things to be improved on, and we’re not always going to get what we deserve out of games. But I saw many more positives than negatives. Some people love to fixate only on the negatives and that’s their prerogative. 

I agree that Paterson was poor. 

I'm sorry but that is just not true, we were comfortable but unthreatening against and incredibly poor team, it was like watching a porno where the actors forgot to take their viagra and only remembered when 2 of the actresses fell asleep.

Clinical has nothing to do with it today, I don't even know why you have introduced that red herring, it was for the first hour all about being slow, unambitious bordering on the negative and with a piss poor final ball, there was nothing whatsoever for any of the strikers to be clinical about during that hour, that only changed when we were 2-0 down, even you cannot remember a worthwhile chance during that period so clinical is just a nonsense.

Well you always see more positives than negatives, I saw more positives last week and the only positive for me from this game was the sudden realisation that we were being humiliated by a piss poor side and the injection of pace and urgency upon that realisation, that's it, we got out of this game exactly what we deserved because of our unambitious performance during the first 60 minutes, our problem is simple LJ is trying to get us play like Man City but unfortunately for the first 60 minutes the players believed that they had already reached that ambition.

If we are going to continue to play this languid slow unambitious style of football then we will lose more than we will win, because we do not create anywhere near enough playing that way, the lesson today is play with pace, ambition and movement but not to lose our heads in midfield.

I also have to add your 16 shots is in reality 9, 5 on target and 4 off, yes it's quoted as 16 but I suspect that the missing 7 hit the first defender.

 

 

Edited August 11, 2018 by Esmond Million's Bung

[Andy082005]

3 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

 

 

In respect of your first comment- I really do think that watching a game is 100% totally different to listening to a game- and I don't believe anyone has said you're not allowed an opinion- more that it's the wrong opinion based solely on a non visual commentary.

The second quote is just how you are Andy. You dislike Lee Johnson so much and in every way that it clouds your ability to see that a point- any point , whilst not ideal, is ok having gone 2-0 down. If any score other than a win is going to do your head in then I suggest you seek another outlet for your angst. 

Personally, I'm ok about it and believe we'll get better but have no real expectation that we're destined for anything other than an ok season. Lee would never have sold his best players if he had any say in it and given the chance would happily have spent millions more on better recruits. But we're Bristol City not Man City.

I can see it perfectly clear mate. I've had a season ticket for going on 25 years now and can honestly say this last 18 months has been the first time in my life where I feel genuinely emotionless about following City and can literally sit there and just see it for what I believe it is. I almost feel like a neutral half the time 

I just don't think Johnson has what it takes to evolve into a good coach at this level.We still have the same weaknesses and are making the same mistakes as last season. We are still playing this tippy tappy rubbish which looks great on the possession stats...but more often then not we create very little

The bloke talks a great game. Gives it all the guff and lots of people get sucked in

 

 

 

[Alex_BCFC]

It’s weird cos on the one hand it’s great to come from 2 down but also we haven’t won away since December. And to concede those goals was shocking - against a team likely to be down there too. 

QPR away is a real chance to end it (despite our poor record there). 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

2 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

I can see it perfectly clear mate. I've had a season ticket for going on 25 years now and can honestly say this last 18 months has been the first time in my life where I feel genuinely emotionless about following City and can literally sit there and just see it for what I believe it is. I almost feel like a neutral half the time 

I just don't think Johnson has what it takes to evolve into a good coach at this level.We still have the same weaknesses and are making the same mistakes as last season. We are still playing this tippy tappy rubbish which looks great on the possession stats...but more often then not we create very little

The bloke talks a great game. Gives it all the guff and lots of people get sucked in

 

 

 

Blimey- you must have been asleep for at least 21 of those years.

[pillred]

4 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

I'm sorry but that is just not true, we were comfortable but unthreatening against and incredibly poor team, it was like watching a porno where the actors forgot to take their viagra and only remembered when 2 of the actresses fell asleep.

Clinical has nothing to do with it today, I don't even know why you have introduced that red herring, it was for the first hour all about being slow, unambitious bordering on the negative and with a piss poor final ball, there was nothing whatsoever for any of the strikers to be clinical about during that hour, that only changed when we were 2-0 down, even you cannot remember a worthwhile chance during that period so clinical is just a nonsense.

Well you always see more positives than negatives, I saw more positives last week and the only positive for me from this game was the sudden realisation that we were being humiliated by a piss poor side and the injection of pace and urgency upon that realisation, that's it, we got out of this game exactly what we deserved because of our unambitious performance during the first 60 minutes, our problem is simple LJ is trying to get us play like Man City but unfortunately for the first 60 minutes the players believed that they had already reached that ambition.

If we are going to continue to play this languid slow unambitious style of football then we will lose more than we will win, because we do not create anywhere near enough playing that way, the lesson today is play with pace, ambition and movement but not to lose our heads in midfield.

 

 

forget the match tell us more about this porno!

[Nogbad the Bad]

1 minute ago, pillred said:

forget the match tell us more about this porno!

It was a big flop apparently.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

3 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Although I see where you are coming from, I think you're overly harsh again, but it's all opinions. I do agree that we should play with more urgency and thrust in the final third more often. But we controlled the ball and looked good in possession for 70% of the game today, playing against an anti-football team who, AT HOME, put 11 men behind the ball and hoped to catch us on the break or score from a set piece.

Whatever you say about LJ and this team, they look to play football and have a go. At least it's not what many teams do in this division, like Bolton, set up to survive. I can't imagine what you and many others would say if LJ set us up, at home, to only sit 11 behind the ball and look to catch people on the break. 

Look, you get **** all for playing pretty football, for an hour we controlled possession that was it, but we created absolutely nothing, that is a fact, it took the sting of conceding 2 goals to inject any urgency into our play whatsoever.

We do not have the midfield to play that languid style, because they all run out of ideas in and around the opponents box and because of the length of time to get there even shit teams will have numbers making even more confusing for our midfield, LJ should have by now solved that riddle, we do however have the midfield to play at a higher tempo, especially if either Smith, Brownhill or Pack are on the bench ready to come on, look at the difference in the last 30 minutes when played with urgency, we caught them light at the back and actually created chances, again I ask please point me to a chance in the first 60 minutes?

[Southport Red]

2 hours ago, JackofromSanJavier said:

Hi SPR........ has Tommy just borrowed your mobile????

Ha ha. Fat thumbs + Old Man Eyes + couldn’t see the screen too well in the daylight M’lud. 

[Alessandro]

28 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Look, you get **** all for playing pretty football, for an hour we controlled possession that was it, but we created absolutely nothing, that is a fact, it took the sting of conceding 2 goals to inject any urgency into our play whatsoever.

We do not have the midfield to play that languid style, because they all run out of ideas in and around the opponents box and because of the length of time to get there even shit teams will have numbers making even more confusing for our midfield, LJ should have by now solved that riddle, we do however have the midfield to play at a higher tempo, especially if either Smith, Brownhill or Pack are on the bench ready to come on, look at the difference in the last 30 minutes when played with urgency, we caught them light at the back and actually created chances, again I ask please point me to a chance in the first 60 minutes?

Firstly, you haven't already asked me to point out a chance, so you can't ask me again. As i've already said, we may have created very little in the first, but that was largely in part to the way in which Bolton sat back and chocked the final third. Should we have done better though, yes, as i've already said.

But a game is not played over 60 minutes, so that's irrelevant. What is, is that IMO after 60 minutes we still continued to play in very much the same style as the first 60 minutes. Out of the back, languid as you call it, with Marlon playing that QB role. That's how our first goal came ironically. Keeping possession, working the spaces and finding a killer pass from a good run. 

That's how we continued to play to the very end of the game, out of the back, perhaps with more urgency, but you can't play flat out for 90 minutes. We were looking for the runs and channels (which we did a lot in the first half) the difference for me was that the game stretched and opened up and those passes and runs into the channels started to come off. That made it look a different game all of a sudden.

Despite being 2-0 up, Bolton for me were naive and I believe we kept doing our thing, stuck to our game plan and we got the goals and very nearly the winner. 

[Southport Red]

Has anyone from the club said anything about Korey?  At the end of the warm ups the others were all doing drills and he was sat on the pitch holding his leg. 

[OldlandReddies]

Eisa will be let loose on Tuesday. After scoring a hat trick v Plymouth he'll be difficult to drop.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

29 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Firstly, you haven't already asked me to point out a chance, so you can't ask me again. As i've already said, we may have created very little in the first, but that was largely in part to the way in which Bolton sat back and chocked the final third. Should we have done better though, yes, as i've already said.

But a game is not played over 60 minutes, so that's irrelevant. What is, is that IMO after 60 minutes we still continued to play in very much the same style as the first 60 minutes. Out of the back, languid as you call it, with Marlon playing that QB role. That's how our first goal came ironically. Keeping possession, working the spaces and finding a killer pass from a good run. 

That's how we continued to play to the very end of the game, out of the back, perhaps with more urgency, but you can't play flat out for 90 minutes. We were looking for the runs and channels (which we did a lot in the first half) the difference for me was that the game stretched and opened up and those passes and runs into the channels started to come off. That made it look a different game all of a sudden.

Despite being 2-0 up, Bolton for me were naive and I believe we kept doing our thing, stuck to our game plan and we got the goals and very nearly the winner. 

Firstly I didn't ask you specifically, the word 'you' was not mentioned, the again was because I had asked another poster the same question. Next I will try to make that clearer.

Secondly let me clear one misrepresentation here, I have no problem with playing the ball out of the back, but playing it slow was not working in any way shape or form and was and will hardly ever work for us, if we continue to play that style we will lose more than we win.

The first highlighted portion is nonsense every bit of it, my point being for 1 hour we were totally non threatening, only after their 2nd goal did we suddenly change our style from languid to a higher intensity and that is where our first goal came from fast incisive not slow languid and it was borne out of nothing other than necessity.

The 2nd highlighted portion, the urgency came out of necessity and nothing whatsoever to do with any managerial genius or anything else, we would have played the same to the bitter end of a nil/nil draw had we not gone 2-0 nil down and needed to change something that was never going to work in the first place, so the comment about playing flat out for 90 minutes was a silly one.

As for the last sentence honestly if you truly believe that carry on because it was simply not true, we never stuck to our game plan, we changed to a more up tempo style, we had to change, we had no alternative but to change and we changed to style that suits us better especially against the Bolton's of this division.

Middlesborough home next Saturday, is that a "never expected anything out of that game" get out clause for LJ?

 

Edited August 11, 2018 by Esmond Million's Bung

[Kibs]

I’m not quite sure what some people expect from a mid-table Championship team that has just sold over £25m worth of players but I was happy enough with the performance.

City completely controlled the game away from home and if it wasn’t for a ridiculous 3 minute spell of sucidal defending, I think we’d have won. 

Tempo could have been better first half and we certainly lack the threat and presence of Diedhiou but there were some good performances. Bolton defended well and in numbers making them hard to break down. 2 teams make a game btw, some people don’t seem to get that it’s not just City that dictate the flow of a match. Bolton must have committed about a foul every few minutes today.

Surprised at some of what I’m reading. Maybe my expectations are lower than others this year. 

 

[Alessandro]

2 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Firstly I didn't ask you specifically, the word 'you' was not mentioned, the again was because I had asked another poster the same question. Next I will try to make that clearer.

Secondly let me clear one misrepresentation here, I have no problem with playing the ball out of the back, but playing it slow was not working in any way shape or form and was and will hardly ever work for us, if we continue to play that style we will lose more than we win.

The first highlighted portion is nonsense every bit of it, my point being for 1 hour we were totally non threatening, only after their 2nd goal did we suddenly change our style from languid to a higher intensity and that is where our first goal came from fast incisive not slow languid and it was borne out of nothing other than necessity.

The 2nd highlighted portion, the urgency came out of necessity and nothing whatsoever to do with any managerial genius or anything else, we would have played the same to the bitter end of a nil/nil draw had we not gone 2-0 nil down and needed to change something that was never going to work in the first place, so the comment about playing flat out for 90 minutes was a silly one.

As for the last sentence honestly if you truly believe that carry on because it was simply not true, we never stuck to our game plan, we changed to a more up tempo style, we had to change, we had no alternative but to change and we changed to style that suits us better especially against the Bolton's of this division.

Middlesborough home next Saturday, is that a "never expected anything out of that game" get out clause for LJ?

 

In your opinion.....in my opinion, you're talking overly negative nonsense. As i've said already, I think you're exaggerating the 'languid' and 'slow' pace at which we play it out the back and as i've said already, and others seem to too, I think it's too easy to forget the way opposition affect a game. As Ole wrote in his report, this game was ours but for a silly 3 minutes.

I still believe we stuck to our game plan and style of play, and simply upped the tempo. The style of play was the same. Happy to agree to disagree.

[Xiled]

Bolton forum comment:

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It was a good point even from being 2-0 up

A good performance ? you are either having a laugh or you watched with your eyes closed - we were poor, very poor at times....we played long ball yet again far too much, and Magennis couldn't win much, their two CB handled him well, but we had no one within 30 yards of him at times - we made Bristol City look like Barcelona, they passed the ball around us & through us for fun - the 1st 45 mins I don't think we put two passes together it was a dreadful 1st half from us.

Either we were shit or they were absolutely outstanding....they gave us a football lesson IMO, they out passed us, out fought us, looked fitter, and a yard quicker (our players looked like they had lead in the boots, or running through treacle), they were far more creative, far more attacking with 4 or 5 attackers at times 2nd half. A few of our players played ok, I can't think of one BWFC player who I thought had a good game & I haven't got a clue why we play Vela he does more pointing than running.

Tactically Parkinson didn't have a clue tactically how to stop them - he's just far too defensive, even at home we sat back all game, we didn't press them and generally let a far better team just have the ball, and the Noone substitution was baffling to say the least - he did not need to bring Le Fondre at all at that stage.

All told a very good point & 4 points from the 1st 2 games is excellent....Bristol City could push for the play offs based on that performance today - but seriously we were poor today & on that performance 4th bottom is the best that we can expect.

https://the-wanderer.co.uk/boards/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26819&start=80#p1060387

[havanatopia]

8 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Did you watch? Guessing not if you rubbished my post as we actually played some very good football.

Always makes me wonder how people form such strong opinions based on radio and text. 

Bizarre indeed; I listened to the match and the summary I would take away is this:-

1. Overall City dominated and tried to play decent football which many times they succeeded in doing.

2. They switched off for 2 quick fire goals; cannot remember who we can point the finger at but perhaps just two moments of brilliance from an otherwise dour Bolton.

3. Pato had one flash of brilliance and for the rest of the 90 minutes did not contribute enough to warrant a starting place.

4. We missed a strong presence in the box for set pieces; Flint.

5. We missed additional strength up front; Fammy.

6. Did we miss Bobby or Bryan - hard to tell over the radio. I suspect having Bobby would have been a bonus but seems like Kelly did enough to neutralise any loss of Bryan as a lot of us suspected.

4. Baker was hot and cold, as usual...

8 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Baker really confuses me. At times he looks quality and other times it’s like he genuinely can’t even be bothered to try. 

Sounded like that to me too.

8 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Baker always gives me the impression he’s not over bothered whether he’s out there or not

He came with a lot of fanfare did he not; major coup from Villa and all that. Why has he flattered to deceive? 

[BS4 on Tour...]

17 hours ago, Frenchay Red said:

Ian Dowie is clueless.

It’s Iain Dowie...

[BS4 on Tour...]

18 hours ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

Get in there Weimann 

Three goals in his last three games...deserves a bit of credit - that is hitting the ground running....

[BS4 on Tour...]

17 hours ago, RedM said:

2 in 2 for Weimann who hardly ever scores some say

3 in 3 - I’m counting his strike against premier league opposition!