Bolton Wanderers v Bristol City Match Day 2

[BS4 on Tour...]

17 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:

one great run so far set up Weiman who dragged it back rather than shoot. Mistake.

One.....Weimann.... (just for you @screech!)

[The Original OTIB]

2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

One.....Weimann.... (just for you @screech!)

In-game typing + phone + alcohol + outside = errors.

[Zookeeper WSM]

14 hours ago, Kibs said:

I’m not quite sure what some people expect from a mid-table Championship team that has just sold over £25m worth of players but I was happy enough with the performance.

City completely controlled the game away from home and if it wasn’t for a ridiculous 3 minute spell of sucidal defending, I think we’d have won. 

Tempo could have been better first half and we certainly lack the threat and presence of Diedhiou but there were some good performances. Bolton defended well and in numbers making them hard to break down. 2 teams make a game btw, some people don’t seem to get that it’s not just City that dictate the flow of a match. Bolton must have committed about a foul every few minutes today.

Surprised at some of what I’m reading. Maybe my expectations are lower than others this year. 

 

Completely agree. We were good today, controlled the game and at times moved the ball at pace in a similar way to when we were at our peak last season. Brownhill in particular was excellent.

[Frenchay Red]

1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

It’s Iain Dowie...

Still clueless

Edited August 12, 2018 by Frenchay Red

[RedM]

19 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

I forgot to mention the bit where I cashed out for £140 when the gas equalised!

Phew, good work! Had me worried.

[BS4 on Tour...]

4 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:

In-game typing + phone + alcohol + outside = errors.

I sure know that - was just joshing cos you picked up Screech on a perceived error on another thread...

[BS4 on Tour...]

3 hours ago, Frenchay Red said:

Still clueless

Oh I know, just thought it was funny you were calling him clueless for thinking Jamie was called Callum Paterson and our manager is Gary Johnson...then you spelled his name incorrectly - ignore me, I’m easily amused! Apologies...

[Frenchay Red]

39 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Oh I know, just thought it was funny you were calling him clueless for thinking Jamie was called Callum Paterson and our manager is Gary Johnson...then you spelled his name incorrectly - ignore me, I’m easily amused! Apologies...

You obviously have an "i" for these things. 

[BobBobSuperBob]

1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Oh I know, just thought it was funny you were calling him clueless for thinking Jamie was called Callum Paterson and our manager is Gary Johnson...then you spelled his name incorrectly - ignore me, I’m easily amused! Apologies...

Shouldn’t  it be spelt ?

 

 

 

 

[joenaldo]

Keep these performances up and nick a few wins before fammy and may be able to push on!!

If not i am extremely confident we wont be relegated

[Johnny Musicworks]

Interesting comment from Dean Holden that he and Jamie Mac suggested that Eisa and Taylor be introduced 10 minutes earlier but LJ stuck to his plan and ultimately got it right.

Certainly some have suggested that it was added urgency and a higher tempo that changed things, and maybe it was. I just wonder however if it was more that we just wore them down. As they tired they slowed up and left the gaps. One of the trademarks of successful teams is they stick to the plan, don’t let a defensive opponent frustrate them knowing that more often than not teams will not be able to hold out for 90 minutes.

I also wonder if one of the ways our style will be tweaked is that the pressing style was successful up until post Xmas but the necessary energy levels meant we couldn’t keep it up for 90 minutes, resulting in some dramatic comebacks. Possibly by playing a possession based more ‘languid style’ from the start means we have better energy reserves to see out games also helped by having a stronger bench.

[BS4 on Tour...]

2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Shouldn’t  it be spelt ?

 

 

 

 

Nope!

[BS4 on Tour...]

On 11/08/2018 at 17:02, BRISTOL86 said:

Did you watch? Guessing not if you rubbished my post as we actually played some very good football.

Always makes me wonder how people form such strong opinions based on radio and text. 

Eh? You described an incident in yesterday’s game as the “World’s most stonewall penalty” and then when someone said it wasn’t a pen as Elliason dived you replied that “you were just going by the commentator’s reaction” - then you call out people who form opinions based on third party info....strange....

[BRISTOL86]

25 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Eh? You described an incident in yesterday’s game as the “World’s most stonewall penalty” and then when someone said it wasn’t a pen as Elliason dived you replied that “you were just going by the commentator’s reaction” - then you call out people who form opinions based on third party info....strange....

I was watching the stream and it looked an absolute certain penalty. When the Bolton commentators started talking about what a blatant penalty it was this - funnily enough - made me think it was indeed a penalty. 

I’m not even going to ask what on earth made you want to pull me up on this some 30 hours later, but clearly someone’s living it up on a Sunday night  

[Leveller]

3 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Shouldn’t  it be spelt ?

 

 

 

 

Either is OK here - though apparently the Americans don’t used spelt. 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

22 hours ago, Alessandro said:

In your opinion.....in my opinion, you're talking overly negative nonsense. As i've said already, I think you're exaggerating the 'languid' and 'slow' pace at which we play it out the back and as i've said already, and others seem to too, I think it's too easy to forget the way opposition affect a game. As Ole wrote in his report, this game was ours but for a silly 3 minutes.

I still believe we stuck to our game plan and style of play, and simply upped the tempo. The style of play was the same. Happy to agree to disagree.

Not if we had continued in the same vein, because we had created nothing until the silly 3 minutes, the game was heading for a nil/nil bore fest.

The last sentence is half right, but missing one incredibly important fact the 'out of necessity' bit we were 2-0 down and going nowhere and our only hope was to up the tempo, had we not this conversation would be you defending a defeat.

[Major Isewater]

16 hours ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

Interesting comment from Dean Holden that he and Jamie Mac suggested that Eisa and Taylor be introduced 10 minutes earlier but LJ stuck to his plan and ultimately got it right.

Certainly some have suggested that it was added urgency and a higher tempo that changed things, and maybe it was. I just wonder however if it was more that we just wore them down. As they tired they slowed up and left the gaps. One of the trademarks of successful teams is they stick to the plan, don’t let a defensive opponent frustrate them knowing that more often than not teams will not be able to hold out for 90 minutes.

I also wonder if one of the ways our style will be tweaked is that the pressing style was successful up until post Xmas but the necessary energy levels meant we couldn’t keep it up for 90 minutes, resulting in some dramatic comebacks. Possibly by playing a possession based more ‘languid style’ from the start means we have better energy reserves to see out games also helped by having a stronger bench.

Good post , is it more tiring watching an opponent passing around in their own half for an hour or is it more tiring for the team doing the passing ?

Legend would have it that ' chasing ' the opposition is more fatiguing but Bolton hardly moved out of their own half content to watch the amazing Brazil like passing between our back four .

I believe we're not yet a ' team ' need some more games together to get used to each other's style of play .

I also believe that the coaching staff have paid a lot more attention to game management since our first season back in the Championship were often our gung ho style saw us play well but lose . 

I'm comforted by the after match analysis by Holden who was conscious of our lack of threat in the first half . We will get there I'm sure.

[Lew-T]

On 11/08/2018 at 17:38, BobBobSuperBob said:

Baker always gives me the impression he’s not over bothered whether he’s out there or not

Yep, it’s as if he feels he’s too big for Bristol City, after coming from Villa. Probably way off but that’s the impression I get.

Just not mentally there at times. If it carries on, I’d be looking to move him on asap next season. Big wages too I’d imagine.

[RobintheRed Red]

On 11/08/2018 at 19:47, Kibs said:

I’m not quite sure what some people expect from a mid-table Championship team that has just sold over £25m worth of players but I was happy enough with the performance.

City completely controlled the game away from home and if it wasn’t for a ridiculous 3 minute spell of sucidal defending, I think we’d have won. 

Tempo could have been better first half and we certainly lack the threat and presence of Diedhiou but there were some good performances. Bolton defended well and in numbers making them hard to break down. 2 teams make a game btw, some people don’t seem to get that it’s not just City that dictate the flow of a match. Bolton must have committed about a foul every few minutes today.

Surprised at some of what I’m reading. Maybe my expectations are lower than others this year. 

 

I agree with your comments just a shame Mo Eisa wasent given another fifteen to twenty minutes game time i think we would have won it

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said:

I agree with your comments just a shame Mo Eisa wasent given another fifteen to twenty minutes game time i think we would have won it

Or we might have got hit on the break by a team who specialise in counterattacking, physical, reactive football.

It's a fine balancing act for a manager. Overcommit too early and it can go one of 2 ways...besides extra strikers, is a simple solution when chasing a game. Simple, but not always correct.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Mr Popodopolous

[RobintheRed Red]

6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Or we might have got hit on the break by a team who specialise in counterattacking, physical, reactive football.

It's a fine balancing act for a manager. Overcommit too early and it can go one of 2 ways...besides extra strikers, is a simple solution when chasing a game. Simple, but not always correct.

I went we had them on toast he was gonna make the subs a bit earlier Taylor an mo ready on touchline till patterson scored but understand what you are saying

Edited August 14, 2018 by RobintheRed Red

[Mr Popodopolous]

11 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said:

I went we had them on toast he was gonna make the subs a bit earlier Taylor an mo ready on touchline till patterson scored but understand what you are saying

A bit earlier probably would have been fine, might have tipped the balance yeah.

Still though- a point from 2 down away to a side who beat a number of top sides at home last season isn't too bad, given all the changes etc. Remember at Bolton when we lost in February, we were quite committed forward and that proved our downfall.

The momentum was with us though, so maybe we would have snatched it late on.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Mr Popodopolous

[bexhill reds]

On 11/08/2018 at 17:38, BobBobSuperBob said:

Baker always gives me the impression he’s not over bothered whether he’s out there or not

 

22 hours ago, Lew-T said:

Yep, it’s as if he feels he’s too big for Bristol City, after coming from Villa. Probably way off but that’s the impression I get.

Just not mentally there at times. If it carries on, I’d be looking to move him on asap next season. Big wages too I’d imagine.

 

If I'm right Baker was defending the scorer for both headed goals against us (Bolton & Forest) this season. For a CB he seems to be a bit of a soft touch and not able (or willing) to compete with overly physical players. He could not cope with Morison at Millwall last season, hitting the deck and feigning an elbow injury when Morison scored, and was run ragged by Kiefer Moore at Barnsley. I remain massively unconvinced about him. I would not mind seeing Webster shifted to the left and Bailey Wright being brought into the team on the right certainly for the game tonight. I know Bailey Wright is a bit of a marmite player amongst some of our supporters, but he strikes me as not minding the physical stuff...

[Nogbad the Bad]

2 minutes ago, bexhill reds said:

 

 

If I'm right Baker was defending the scorer for both headed goals against us (Bolton & Forest) this season. For a CB he seems to be a bit of a soft touch and not able (or willing) to compete with overly physical players. He could not cope with Morison at Millwall last season, hitting the deck and feigning an elbow injury when Morison scored, and was run ragged by Kiefer Moore at Barnsley. I remain massively unconvinced about him. I would not mind seeing Webster shifted to the left and Bailey Wright being brought into the team on the right certainly for the game tonight. I know Bailey Wright is a bit of a marmite player amongst some of our supporters, but he strikes me as not minding the physical stuff...

I'm not Bailey's biggest fan but I would never doubt his determination and effort.