SStandUp Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Where do people genuinely think we should ? In terms of league position, promotions hopes, relegation fears, midtable etc.. Take everything into consideration: current squad, wage bill, transfer philosophy, emphasis on youth development, fan base etc etc.. Would be interested to know. Because I'm reading a lot of comments at the moment that suggest a fair amount expect us to be up the top challenging for promotion, like it's nothing. But when you consider the variables mentioned above, I'm not sure how this can be justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITW Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 I would take 12th place personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 I’d take 15th, it’s a season of change, as long as we aren’t in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 I was hoping for some sort of improvement on last season. At the moment though I think we’re going to struggle. I just hope we don’t go on one of those winless runs again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 With a leaky defence and zero aerial dominance, top of bottom half will be an achievement. 4 goals conceded, all from crosses. Poor, poor defending and already a clear weakness. Flint will enjoy saturday i am sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, swanker said: I was hoping for some sort of improvement on last season. At the moment though I think we’re going to struggle. I just hope we don’t go on one of those winless runs again? Hmmm we’re 6 competitive games without a win if you include the back end of last season..... surely Lee can’t have another big, bad run in him, can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mendip City said: Hmmm we’re 6 competitive games without a win if you include the back end of last season..... surely Lee can’t have another big, bad run in him, can he? All managers do, the difference is, he's surviv-ed/ing two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SStandUp Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, BITW said: I would take 12th place personally. I think that's realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Fuber said: All managers do, the difference is, he's surviv-ed/ing two of them. You’re right.... actually it’s 3 if you include the Barnsley one. He’s had terrible runs in three successive seasons. One of my concerns at the start of this season was that last year’s poor run didn’t really end and might drag into this season.... let’s hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Mendip City said: You’re right.... actually it’s 3 if you include the Barnsley one. He’s had terrible runs in three successive seasons. One of my concerns at the start of this season was that last year’s poor run didn’t really end and might drag into this season.... let’s hope not. That was my thoughts also. I had taken the view that maybe with the core being restructured it I could give him a clean slate. The issue is the defence is still an issue. And we know on previous evidence it was not ever fixed with the old guard. The question is can we coach the new guard to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Mid table and our best players from this season will be sold or want to leave next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SStandUp Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fuber said: That was my thoughts also. I had taken the view that maybe with the core being restructured it I could give him a clean slate. The issue is the defence is still an issue. And we know on previous evidence it was not ever fixed with the old guard. The question is can we coach the new guard to succeed. Baker and Webster do not convince me at all. They're both too soft. I'd be playing Bailey Wright when he's back fit. People, for what ever reason, do not rate him, despite filling in really well at RB last year during the 'good times'. He puts his bollocks on the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 17 minutes ago, nickolas said: With a leaky defence and zero aerial dominance, top of bottom half will be an achievement. 4 goals conceded, all from crosses. Poor, poor defending and already a clear weakness. Flint will enjoy saturday i am sure! Agreed. We could get tonked on saturday, if we continue to avoid defending crosses, against a Pulis side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, JBFC II said: I’d take 15th, it’s a season of change, as long as we aren’t in trouble It will always be a season of change with the number of players Johnson signs. But not for the better this season I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SStandUp Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Full nelson said: Mid table and our best players from this season will be sold or want to leave next summer. Yep. And unfortunately Johnson will fall victim to this, because fans will become impatient and force him out. I love Lansdown. But he's on the radio talking about expecting progression, but is willing to sell our best players and not give the management resources to replace to the quality expected. I don't understand how we the fans or Lansdown, can expect significant progression? Without Johnson pulling something from his arse like he did for the first part of the season last year' .. until the players ran out of steam, we didn't invest in January and we could no longer play the way Johnson wanted us to and the way that made us so competitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SStandUp Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Redrascal2 said: It will always be a season of change with the number of players Johnson signs. But not for the better this season I fear. He's having to sign players continuously because the ones we got are getting sold/ want to leave.. whats he meant to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Redrascal2 said: It will always be a season of change with the number of players Johnson signs. But not for the better this season I fear. More due to the fact we sold our three best players, bringing in 7 new players is average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Fuber said: That was my thoughts also. I had taken the view that maybe with the core being restructured it I could give him a clean slate. The issue is the defence is still an issue. And we know on previous evidence it was not ever fixed with the old guard. The question is can we coach the new guard to succeed. Agree with that, he’s also not toughened the team - a problem he identified last season. Losing Flint and dropping Smith has made us less combative and physical, maybe a reason in part why do many goals already conceded from corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Mid table would be a good finish considering we lost not only 3 of our best players but a major overhaul in the squad. With the money thrown around by some of the other clubs in this league I think its realistic to say playoffs is a ridiculous ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Mendip City said: Hmmm we’re 6 competitive games without a win if you include the back end of last season..... surely Lee can’t have another big, bad run in him, can he? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Fuber said: All managers do, the difference is, he's surviv-ed/ing two of them. He used up all his lives. He won’t survive another 1 win in 15 type run. Absolutely no chance!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, ForeverRes said: Yep. And unfortunately Johnson will fall victim to this, because fans will become impatient and force him out. I love Lansdown. But he's on the radio talking about expecting progression, but is willing to sell our best players and not give the management resources to replace to the quality expected. I don't understand how we the fans or Lansdown, can expect significant progression? Without Johnson pulling something from his arse like he did for the first part of the season last year' .. until the players ran out of steam, we didn't invest in January and we could no longer play the way Johnson wanted us to and the way that made us so competitive Excellent point. I’m always bemused when lansdown mentions the premiership. Strikes me that such a clever man should know that all he does is fuel unrealistic expectations by doing so as our budgets dictate that it’s only ever going to be a long shot for us to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ForeverRes said: Yep. And unfortunately Johnson will fall victim to this, because fans will become impatient and force him out. I love Lansdown. But he's on the radio talking about expecting progression, but is willing to sell our best players and not give the management resources to replace to the quality expected. I don't understand how we the fans or Lansdown, can expect significant progression? Without Johnson pulling something from his arse like he did for the first part of the season last year' .. until the players ran out of steam, we didn't invest in January and we could no longer play the way Johnson wanted us to and the way that made us so competitive Understand all that and Lansdown does the manager no favours by dangling the Prem carrot in front of us fans. The only thing I’ll say is the manager is “fully bought into the project”... unless of course he gets tired of it and leaves us Flint, Reid, Bryan style. He’ll know what happened to the last manager who thought there was an alternative way of doing things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 39 minutes ago, milo1111 said: He used up all his lives. He won’t survive another 1 win in 15 type run. Absolutely no chance!!!!! I mean. If we're being hyper critical and pedantic, and then carry last season's form up to present... We're currently 1 win in 10. No wins against Blackburn, Sheff Utd or QPR, none of whom should rip up trees, and on that record, with new signings and core of a team? How much time would LJ get hypothetically to let the team Gel? Forest made sweeping changes, intergrating a domestic and foreign signings seamlessly. We aren't the lower spenders on playing staff we were the season we got up from League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Fuber said: We aren't the lower spenders on playing staff we were the season we got up from League 1. Hmm it’s not that comparable - although transfer fees were offset by the Baldock sale that season, we could pay bigger wages than almost everyone in the league. We were also a big side at that level comparatively so makes recruitment easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, Fuber said: How much time would LJ get hypothetically to let the team Gel? Forest made sweeping changes, intergrating a domestic and foreign signings seamlessly. I know you weren't saying this, but I also don't think that we've played enough games to say whether we've gelled or not. From what we've seen so far - a respectable 1-1 against a good Forest side, a draw against a tricky Bolton side - albeit coming back from 2 goals down (which shows positives and negatives in itself), a disappointing loss against Plymouth with a rotated side. I think really a team needs at least 10 games to be fully cohesive.. but that's not time we can afford in a league like this. Was always going to be an immensely tricky task losing 3 key players. Big test against Boro soon. I don't pay much attention to stats like this but we do have a good record against them, and you'd think if any team was best equipped with knowledge on how to exploit Flint's weaknesses it'd be us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Relegation scrap, Each time we’ve had a ‘good’ season we struggle the next recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Hmm it’s not that comparable - although transfer fees were offset by the Baldock sale that season, we could pay bigger wages than almost everyone in the league. We were also a big side at that level comparatively so makes recruitment easier. I believe @Fuber is referring to our first season back in this division where we were amongst the low spenders. We’ve moved on from that first season struggle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadman Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 19th, usualy what happens when you sell your best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 I’m pretty sure Steve Lansdown has publicly said the target this season is tenth or above. Anything below that therefore has to be seen as underachievement. I don’t necessarily think underachievement would wholly be the Manager’s fault but he has presumably agreed to work to the target that has been set. I don’t think tenth or above is unrealistic but a lot of improvement is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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