barneyrubble Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 We're 3 games into the season and we already have a mini injury crisis.Obviously certain contact injuries are unavoidable ie Watkins concussion but there must be some reason for the amount of injuries we are getting. The conditioning work the players are doing must be questioned . Last season the 2 players I remember as not being injured Flint and Reid both looked the fitess. They obviously spent time in the gym to get the physiques they had. We have a new physio team and state of the art facilities so there is no excuse for lack of preparation. I can only assume that there training schedule is not properly balanced to prevent football related injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 If there's a link between the injuries (I don't know as I haven't seen what the injuries are) then yes it should be looked into. Wasn't it Arsenal who had a spate of hamstring injuries a few seasons ago and then worked out it was due to what they were doing in training? Flint was a bit of a freak of nature re: not getting injured. Often tall players with long limbs like him are more injury prone - then again, he didn't do as much twisting and turning as other positions as centre halves usually move in a fairly linear way. Despite that.. Baker is incredibly injury prone and always has been. Hope Webster doesn't keep getting injured too or we'll be in trouble. I think with Reid he's got a low centre of gravity, good core strength and moves very gracefully. This will cut down on his injuries. It's a bit like Federer in tennis compared to Nadal. Nadal's movement is very taxing on his limbs and has caused him lots of injuries, Federer is graceful and poised and it's given him the longevity he's enjoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: If there's a link between the injuries (I don't know as I haven't seen what the injuries are) then yes it should be looked into. Wasn't it Arsenal who had a spate of hamstring injuries a few seasons ago and then worked out it was due to what they were doing in training? Flint was a bit of a freak of nature re: not getting injured. Often tall players with long limbs like him are more injury prone - then again, he didn't do as much twisting and turning as other positions as centre halves usually move in a fairly linear way. Despite that.. Baker is incredibly injury prone and always has been. Hope Webster doesn't keep getting injured too or we'll be in trouble. I think with Reid he's got a low centre of gravity, good core strength and moves very gracefully. This will cut down on his injuries. It's a bit like Federer in tennis compared to Nadal. Nadal's movement is very taxing on his limbs and has caused him lots of injuries, Federer is graceful and poised and it's given him the longevity he's enjoyed. ................and that concludes today's biology lesson. Tomorrow, we're off to the Mem to find out how to get middle aged men's peckers up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, RedRaw said: ................and that concludes today's biology lesson. Tomorrow, we're off to the Mem to find out how to get middle aged men's peckers up. Good job tomorrow's lesson doesn't involve any dissection of the subject matter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, Barney red said: We're 3 games into the season and we already have a mini injury crisis.Obviously certain contact injuries are unavoidable ie Watkins concussion but there must be some reason for the amount of injuries we are getting. The conditioning work the players are doing must be questioned . Last season the 2 players I remember as not being injured Flint and Reid both looked the fitess. They obviously spent time in the gym to get the physiques they had. We have a new physio team and state of the art facilities so there is no excuse for lack of preparation. I can only assume that there training schedule is not properly balanced to prevent football related injuries. Most, if not all clubs use training sessions to practice and work on various patterns of play, set piece routines, formations etc etc and play 11v11 matches as an integral part of the sessions. These training games are designed to be as competitive as possible in an effort to replicate the type of match the players are likely to face in competitive league matches. So tough are these practice games that players inevitably get injuries ( DeBruyne recived a knee injury in a practice game) but the benefits outweighs the risk. Not to play these competitive practice games would leave the squad undercooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Robbored said: Most, if not all clubs use training sessions to practice and work on various patterns of play, set piece routines, formations etc etc and play 11v11 matches as an integral part of the sessions. These training games are designed to be as competitive as possible in an effort to replicate the type of match the players are likely to face in competitive league matches. So tough are these practice games that players inevitably get injuries ( DeBruyne recived a knee injury in a practice game) but the benefits outweighs the risk. Not to play these competitive practice games would leave the squad undercooked. I don't think that's the overarching point being made, RR. Sometimes certain types of training, conditioning - or lack of - can contribute to certain types of injuries. For example, lots of stop start sprinting drills in training to condition players for pressing could contribute to hamstring injuries. The OP is suggesting that there could be something we're doing/not doing that is contributing to injuries, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 We do have a new physio team and state of the art facilities (above us the set up is just fancier) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 most of the injuries are happening during matches due to bad tackles, theres not alot we can do about that, If we were getting injured in training then yes there's a problem, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 We have a different Head Physio now haven’t we, and the same things are happening. I guess the physios and the coaches work together on what the players can or can’t do. Just one of those things I guess as measures must be in place to prevent where possible. Wasnt it Jamie McCoombe who used to suffer from shin flints(?) because of running on hard ground pre season. Also the club made him change the car he was driving as it was too small/wrong seating position for him. Fine margins as LJ would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: For example, lots of stop start sprinting drills in training to condition players for pressing could contribute to hamstring injuries. The OP is suggesting that there could be something we're doing/not doing that is contributing to injuries, City are a modern professional football club with state of the art facilities and with well qualified people in all important positions - including the physio department so I’d be hugely surprised if the training sessions aren’t designed using all the up to date technology ( including drones) and techniques are having a detrimental effect on the injury list. Training has to be as realistic as possible. Eddie Jones has been criticised because of the injuries England players pick up in training and his response was along the lines of the training has to be as hard and tough as real international matches are. I remember him shrugging his shoulders when answering the question...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, Robbored said: Most, if not all clubs use training sessions to practice and work on various patterns of play, set piece routines, formations etc etc and play 11v11 matches as an integral part of the sessions. These training games are designed to be as competitive as possible in an effort to replicate the type of match the players are likely to face in competitive league matches. So tough are these practice games that players inevitably get injuries ( DeBruyne recived a knee injury in a practice game) but the benefits outweighs the risk. Not to play these competitive practice games would leave the squad undercooked. If you think 11 v 11 in training are integral parts of training you must be living in the dark ages. Footballs moved on a bit from that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, RedM said: We have a different Head Physio now haven’t we, and the same things are happening. I guess the physios and the coaches work together on what the players can or can’t do. Just one of those things I guess as measures must be in place to prevent where possible. Wasnt it Jamie McCoombe who used to suffer from shin flints(?) because of running on hard ground pre season. Also the club made him change the car he was driving as it was too small/wrong seating position for him. Fine margins as LJ would say. Support all the points in the OP. Something needs sorting out in the way our players are handled in warm-up and warm-down for proper matches as well as in training. In the fairly recent past we had a succession of severe injuries on the very first appearance of a new signing eg. George Akobi (?) that German striker (?) Sam Vokes (none of whom ever appeared again for us (?)) and now Adelekun, out for 3 months without even starting for us. The reason we stopped going to Latvia pre-season was that the pitches were so hard that players like Boom Boom were getting injured landing heavily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: City are a modern professional football club with state of the art facilities and with well qualified people in all important positions - including the physio department so I’d be hugely surprised if the training sessions aren’t designed using all the up to date technology ( including drones) and techniques are having a detrimental effect on the injury list. Training has to be as realistic as possible. Eddie Jones has been criticised because of the injuries England players pick up in training and his response was along the lines of the training has to be as hard and tough as real international matches are. I remember him shrugging his shoulders when answering the question...... I still don't think you've quite grasped it - the discussion is about conditioning and drills, not replicating of match scenarios in training and the benefits of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Spoons said: If you think 11 v 11 in training are integral parts of training you must be living in the dark ages. Footballs moved on a bit from that now. Wrong....... Pop uto Failand and see for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I still don't think you've quite grasped it - the discussion is about conditioning and drills, not replicating of match scenarios in training and the benefits of. Hmmm......not like you to misunderstand my point PF. Read the first paragraph of my last post again. Do you really suppose that a professional football club such as City don’t adopt all the most up to date training methods? There was a time when City was run by well meaning amateurs - but not these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I think we are getting a mix of injuries....but it’s very frustrating the long-term recovery of some of them. When someone like Pisano tears his hamstring off the bone, you aren’t talking a little hamstring tweak caused by not warming up properly. In that Fulham game he really stretched for a wayward pass, which probably started the tear, and 30 seconds later whilst still signalling to the bench he was in trouble, the ball came back to him, he stretched again and it ripped off the bone. That is a fluke injury. Hegeler had a cartilage op last year, not your normal meniscal trim. Sometimes with cartilage they (the tears) come back again. I had a bucket-handle tear, had it tidied, and within 6 months was back in again. At that point I hung up my boots, it was my 3rd cartilage tear in my left knee, and ultimately I am left with no cartilage (basically bone on bone) today. Impact injuries can happen in training and games....just happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: Hmmm......not like you to misunderstand my point PF. Read the first paragraph of my last post again. Do you really suppose that a professional football club such as City don’t adopt all the most up to date training methods? There was a time when City was run by well meaning amateurs - but not these days. I think sometimes there is an over-reliance on modern technology...it doesn’t tell you what the player thinks in his head about his fitness. Modern technology (ok 20 years ago) scans didn’t pick up my ruptured ACL. I tried for 6-8 months to come back from injury, and kept breaking down. I was fine(ish) in training, fine with the physio, but as soon as I tried to drive a ball in match scenario, my knee went. The physio couldn’t recreate it, because I guess in my head I never tried to drill a ball outside of a match. Eventually a Specialist sat me on a table, bent my knee and pulled my shin away from my thigh, saying “that’s it isn’t it”. It was the first time anyone could recreate my knee popping outside of a game situation. His next statement was “you’ve snapped your cruciate”! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said: Support all the points in the OP. Something needs sorting out in the way our players are handled in warm-up and warm-down for proper matches as well as in training. In the fairly recent past we had a succession of severe injuries on the very first appearance of a new signing eg. George Akobi (?) that German striker (?) Sam Vokes (none of whom ever appeared again for us (?)) and now Adelekun, out for 3 months without even starting for us. The reason we stopped going to Latvia pre-season was that the pitches were so hard that players like Boom Boom were getting injured landing heavily. That was caused by a bad tackle from a Yeovil player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think sometimes there is an over-reliance on modern technology...it doesn’t tell you what the player thinks in his head about his fitness. Modern technology (ok 20 years ago) scans didn’t pick up my ruptured ACL. I tried for 6-8 months to come back from injury, and kept breaking down. I was fine(ish) in training, fine with the physio, but as soon as I tried to drive a ball in match scenario, my knee went. The physio couldn’t recreate it, because I guess in my head I never tried to drill a ball outside of a match. Eventually a Specialist sat me on a table, bent my knee and pulled my shin away from my thigh, saying “that’s it isn’t it”. It was the first time anyone could recreate my knee popping outside of a game situation. His next statement was “you’ve snapped your cruciate”! Where’s the ‘oooooh bugger’ emoji when you need it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Eddie Jones has been criticised because of the injuries England players pick up in training and his response was along the lines of the training has to be as hard and tough as real international matches are. I remember him shrugging his shoulders when answering the question...... ... which put him out for 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Wrong....... Pop uto Failand and see for yourself. Haha !! Clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenaldo Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 We all hav to pray for a lack of injuries as we saw against Plymouth our second team isnt cut for the championship apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, joenaldo said: We all hav to pray for a lack of injuries as we saw against Plymouth our second team isnt cut for the championship apparently Here here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin96 Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 3 hours ago, RedRaw said: ................and that concludes today's biology lesson. Tomorrow, we're off to the Mem to find out how to get middle aged men's peckers up. Watch the half time show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 What are the current injuries? Who’s got what and for approx how long are they out? I could prob find the info but if someone has got a nice summary that’d be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I agree the one thing that is worrying me after just two league games (more than the fact that we ‘only’ have 2 draws which seems to be concerning some on here!) is the number of injuries. Even some of those who played on Tues were injured in preseason and are probably not fully up to speed yet. We need a fully fit squad to compete against those with bigger budgets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Harry said: What are the current injuries? Who’s got what and for approx how long are they out? I could prob find the info but if someone has got a nice summary that’d be great. Hakeem injured in a bad challange against Yeovil out for 14 weeks Fielding took a bad challenge against Shrewsbury out for 12 weeks Baker took a knock against bolton 50/50 for the weekend Wright took a bad knock on the tour is just returning to training those are the main ones all injurys due to bad tackles and not training methods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Forget about a central midfielder or striker being crucial signings. I reckon we could with a faith healer on the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Harry said: What are the current injuries? Who’s got what and for approx how long are they out? I could prob find the info but if someone has got a nice summary that’d be great. Here's the treatment room this morning , so drawn your own conclusions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_s Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I'm not sure it's necessarily anything to do with the training more than just bloody bad luck. I think due diligence regarding fitness could have been improved with a few players. Hegelar, Duric, Gary O'Neill. Cotterill's promotion winning season was unique in that he was virtually able to pick the same starting eleven for the entire season. Pretty unheard of in the modern game. We were just really lucky and I think in equal measure we have been unlucky over the last 12 months, especially the last couple of months. Nothing more ominous than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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