BCFCGav Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Anyone aware of the situation regarding Jens? With this season being one of change, I wonder if he should be given a run as a midfielder who screens the back four, as this is something often highlighted on here as a problem area. I can only assume he's currently injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where's the joy Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 even if fit he is too slow to survive in the championship, sad to say as he has a touch of class about him. get him fit and get rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I actually think this would be really useful. When was the last time we played with a proper defensive midfielder? Most top teams do it, or at least someone who can fit that mould, and Jens has barely had a proper chance which probably doesn't help his poor performances. Arguably Pack is that player for us but he's asked to do a bigger role than that - bring in Hegeler and suddenly you can free up the midfield and push the wingers on further, even if it means sacrificing a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, where's the joy said: even if fit he is too slow to survive in the championship, sad to say as he has a touch of class about him. That’s a contradiction................... A player doesn’t need to be quick ( Carrick ) to play top level professional football. Having class as a footballer ( Carrick ) gets you a long way...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, where's the joy said: even if fit he is too slow to survive in the championship, sad to say as he has a touch of class about him. get him fit and get rid Get him fit an play him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Not mobile enough to be anywhere near a championship teams midfield from what I’ve seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Red Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I've been impressed with Pack recently and he seems to be by far our most creative player right now, made some quality through balls in the Bolton game. I'd love to see pack pushed further forward to do more damage with a fit Jens Hegeler dropping deeper. Maenpaa Hunt Wright Webster Kelly Hegeler Brownhill Pack Eliasson O'Dowda Weimann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Shuffle said: Not mobile enough to be anywhere near a championship teams midfield from what I’ve seen. Hegeler can and has played at CB. With Pack, Smith and Brownhill in contention for a midfield start he’d be fourth choice at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 So.. genuine question for all those who know the game better than me. Notwithstanding injuries, why do you think he was signed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 16, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Loon plage said: So.. genuine question for all those who know the game better than me. Notwithstanding injuries, why do you think he was signed ? Sadly a question that seems to be arising more and more lately that players were signed without properly being scouted first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Loon plage said: So.. genuine question for all those who know the game better than me. Notwithstanding injuries, why do you think he was signed ? I certainly wouldn't claim to know the game better than anyone else but my thoughts are that he was looked upon as being versatile, experienced and comfortable on the ball. I think he has largely been caught out by the pace and intensity of the Championship (much like Pisano). There's a half decent player there somewhere, but I'm not sure we can utilise him as anything other than a third man (in defence or midfield). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Falls into the "i'm sure that there is a good footballer in there somewhere", but 2 years on we have yet to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Loon plage said: So.. genuine question for all those who know the game better than me. Notwithstanding injuries, why do you think he was signed ? Because he’s a versatile player with experience of playing in the Bundesleague. A useful addition to the squad but unfortunately he’s been out injured for what seems like ages.......and he hasn’t had the game time to show what he can do. It’s very premature and ridiculous to slate a player when he’s hardly played through injury. Off the top of my head I’d guess he’s played less than a dozen times for City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Because he’s a versatile player with experience of playing in the Bundesleague. A useful addition to the squad but unfortunately he’s been out injured for what seems like ages....... And was at best average when he did play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: And was at best average when he did play. That’s my point - how games has he actually played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 He’s not being utilised properly. Like a few others we’ve seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 38 minutes ago, City18 said: I've been impressed with Pack recently and he seems to be by far our most creative player right now, made some quality through balls in the Bolton game. I'd love to see pack pushed further forward to do more damage with a fit Jens Hegeler dropping deeper. Maenpaa Hunt Wright Webster Kelly Hegeler Brownhill Pack Eliasson O'Dowda Weimann That would be- if we chose to play him- his best position for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chris_Brown said: I certainly wouldn't claim to know the game better than anyone else but my thoughts are that he was looked upon as being versatile, experienced and comfortable on the ball. I think he has largely been caught out by the pace and intensity of the Championship (much like Pisano). There's a half decent player there somewhere, but I'm not sure we can utilise him as anything other than a third man (in defence or midfield). What I thought, so piss poor due dilligence again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Red_Wizard said: He’s not being utilised properly. Like a few others we’ve seen. How can LJ utilise an injured player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: That’s my point - how games has he actually played? 22 according to Wiki. 1 minute ago, Red_Wizard said: He’s not being utilised properly. Like a few others we’ve seen. IMO not good enough not fit enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 27 minutes ago, Loon plage said: So.. genuine question for all those who know the game better than me. Notwithstanding injuries, why do you think he was signed ? Experienced, defensive midfielder which we don't really have. Played over 40 games in the Bundesliga for Bayer Leverkusen, including playing both Europa League and Champions League football. Signed directly from the Bundesliga for Hertha Berlin. Exactly the sort of senior signing we should be making considering he was only 29 at the time too. But obviously a few of our armchair scouts know better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, nebristolred said: Experienced, defensive midfielder which we don't really have. Played over 40 games in the Bundesliga for Bayer Leverkusen, including playing both Europa League and Champions League football. Signed directly from the Bundesliga for Hertha Berlin. Exactly the sort of senior signing we should be making considering he was only 29 at the time too. But obviously a few of our armchair scouts know better! And has produced exactly what? I cannot think of a game where he influenced the result, in fact I suspect he has not actually played in many wins. I think your comment is wrong because I believe you are twisting what people are saying, I haven't seen anything that says that he never arrived with a good pedigree, making him on paper a good signing, what I see is people saying it hasn't worked out, let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: People now think Hegleler in the answer? Christ Who posted that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, nebristolred said: I actually think this would be really useful. When was the last time we played with a proper defensive midfielder? Most top teams do it, or at least someone who can fit that mould, and Jens has barely had a proper chance which probably doesn't help his poor performances. Arguably Pack is that player for us but he's asked to do a bigger role than that - bring in Hegeler and suddenly you can free up the midfield and push the wingers on further, even if it means sacrificing a striker. Bring back the true Sweeper (i.e., not the Keeper)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: That would be- if we chose to play him- his best position for me. In a team of 12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: And has produced exactly what? I cannot think of a game where he influenced the result, in fact I suspect he has not actually played in many wins. I think your comment is wrong because I believe you are twisting what people are saying, I haven't seen anything that says that he never arrived with a good pedigree, making him on paper a good signing, what I see is people saying it hasn't worked out, let's move on. Nothing, he's played 90 mins about 5 times for us, mostly out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Falls into the "i'm sure that there is a good footballer in there somewhere", but 2 years on we have yet to see it. First half, Derby away, 11th Feb 2017. Perhaps our greatest half of football under Mr J jnr. Sadly, as usual, we only turned up for one half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, nebristolred said: Nothing, he's played 90 mins about 5 times for us, mostly out of position. Yep let's move on, he's been a passenger, you should be attacking the person who selected him to play out of position not the people who are saying, let's move on. 2 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: First half, Derby away, 11th Feb 2017. Perhaps our greatest half of football under Mr J jnr. Sadly, as usual, we only turned up for one half! 45 minutes in 2 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Robbored said: In a team of 12? No- in a team of 11, but the question is who would he replace? Of our midfield, he's the best fit for a midfielder to sit in front of the back 4 and tougher in the tackle (Pack is creative and that's great, but sometimes it's not about the best individuals). Hegeler between the defence and Brownhill Pack 2 would be interesting and have potential IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Yep let's move on, he's been a passenger, you should be attacking the person who selected him to play out of position not the people who are saying, let's move on. 45 minutes in 2 years? You said "Falls into the "i'm sure that there is a good footballer in there somewhere", but 2 years on we have yet to see it". I merely corrected that by referring to that performance. We have seen it, albeit only once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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