EnderMB Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I think that everyone was surprised at how England did at the World Cup. Rather than going for a big name to replace Big Sam, the FA brought an internal manager in and promoted them to the senior team. What he might have lacked in tactical nous, he certainly made up in knowledge of the players. He had a favoured team, mainly of players he coaches for years beforehand, and that link-up proved to be a great success. Now, we all know that Lansdown loves to copy what's popular at the moment. When Swansea were promoted, we needed to "do it like Swansea". When Huddersfield went up, we needed to do it like they did. The clubs philosophy on the outside is to try and get promotion on the cheap, but the fans know a bit more than that. There is a clear philosophy to play a certain way, to bring players up from the academy, and to provide them with the opportunity to play elsewhere at a profit should the Premier League come calling - fairly standard really. The England approach is fairly typical of clubs. Many of the biggest managers in world football got their break from spending time with the youth team, and then going onto manage them, so it's surprising that we haven't heard Lansdown talk more about progression for coaches. There's clearly a level of nepotism in getting LJ back after playing here, alongside McAllister, and with the new training ground looking to be a reality sooner rather than later this could be a great time to build up our coaching credentials. Bring in ex-pros, put them in a top-class training facility to learn and build up our academy, and when Lansdown decides to give LJ a shove out of the door, put someone like McAllister in his place. Having two young players in the Premier League is a good sign for our academy, but what would be an even better sign is having a coach from our academy make it to this level and above. Is this an overlooked part of our club philosophy, or do you think that it could be an externsion of what we're trying to do with the new training facilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 17, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 What amazed me is that SL pulled out all the stops to get Pat Lam into the hot seat for the rugby but doesn't employ anyone of a similar ilk for the football club The promoting from within is basically how we took on LJ I think it works with the likes of Tins / JMc around the club but for me we aren't at a good enough level of football to bring anyone through the ranks to the top job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, phantom said: What amazed me is that SL pulled out all the stops to get Pat Lam into the hot seat for the rugby but doesn't employ anyone of a similar ilk for the football club The promoting from within is basically how we took on LJ I think it works with the likes of Tins / JMc around the club but for me we aren't at a good enough level of football to bring anyone through the ranks to the top job no it isn't, he wasn't at the club, he was under contract at Barnsley, it was nether a cheap option (he had 18 months left on his barnsley contract so we had to pay compensation) nore was it a promotion from within (he wasn't at the club) two recent manager to be promoted from with in were Tinnion and Millen both didn't work out, I very much doubt we'll do it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I’m absolutely sure that Jamie McAllister will be the next head coach, whenever it is. Tinnion, and then Millen, were a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 17, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 46 minutes ago, Monkeh said: no it isn't, he wasn't at the club, he was under contract at Barnsley, it was nether a cheap option (he had 18 months left on his barnsley contract so we had to pay compensation) nore was it a promotion from within (he wasn't at the club) two recent manager to be promoted from with in were Tinnion and Millen both didn't work out, I very much doubt we'll do it again He was being primed for our club long before he took over, just because he wasn't physically in BS3 doesn't mean the wheels weren't in motion a long time before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, David Brent said: I’m absolutely sure that Jamie McAllister will be the next head coach, whenever it is. Tinnion, and then Millen, were a long time ago. Have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I think if LJs tenure ultimately ends in tears and a toxic atmosphere then giving the job to McAllister - who has zero managerial experience - would be utter madness. But this is BCFC so it’s not a bad shout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, phantom said: What amazed me is that SL pulled out all the stops to get Pat Lam into the hot seat for the rugby but doesn't employ anyone of a similar ilk for the football club It’s relatively cheap, don’t forget, for rugby. Plus Bristol had to get promotion back into the Prem after the débâcle of the relegation season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I know that it is proven at some clubs that it is better to promote from within, with Liverpool in the years after Shankly for instance, but it is becoming much rarer now. The learning curve for an ex player who has had a year or so coaching the reserves/under 23's, is far too great now. A Prem or Championship club cannot risk relegation if it takes more than a week or so for the newbie to learn everything. The apprenticeship can only be done from within if there is a strong, successful first team manager/coach in place for enough years for the learning to be sufficient. Should LJ be dismissed this season, I can see Macca as the replacement. If LJ goes, I suspect Holden will move back to Manchester. We have wasted far too much time and money on managers who are either too inexperienced or simply not good enough. We are at a crossroads now, with a very good stadium providing bigger revenues, a collection of Academy boys that for me, are some of the best youngsters I have ever seen at City and that includes the Alan Dicks boys who took us up to the First. And those managers referred to in the last paragraph, were also responsible for some dire and costly purchases of players. A lot of good things have happened at City in the last few years but we still seem to be too keen to shoot ourselves in the foot too often and even amateurish in some of our decision making. Last January is the proof of that. Whether this summer will prove the same is yet to be seen, but the signs are there that we are in for another troubled season where we are looking up instead of down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 Something to look forward to eh...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 Scott Murray as assistant, Kevin Betsy doing the pressers and Rio Ferdinand in the back selling car stereos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I’d hope we’d go for Theirry henry. One of my footballing idols growing up and it would be great when we play Derby on sky. Thierry Henry’s Bristol City vs Frank Lampards Derby County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 If/when LJ moves on I’d expect either Macca or Holden to step up in a similar fashion to the old Liverpool “boot room” that was so successful during thier hey days. The benefits are clear - much less disruption to the club when the manager changes. Continuity with the clubs ethos is essential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 wouldn't it be better for LJ to be coach and get an experienced manager in? 3 minutes ago, Negan said: I’d hope we’d go for Theirry henry. One of my footballing idols growing up and it would be great when we play Derby on sky. Thierry Henry’s Bristol City vs Frank Lampards Derby County. I'd love that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I don’t think that promoting a player to manager works, as they are “one of the lads” and the change simply doesn’t work. JMac has gone away and returned in a managerial capacity, so it could work with him. It wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the plan. All teams (ages/levels) are try trying to adopt a club style of play, so continuity with that would make sense. Mid not saying it will (or won’t) be a success, but I’m sure it’s the plan and does make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Negan said: I’d hope we’d go for Theirry henry. One of my footballing idols growing up and it would be great when we play Derby on sky. Thierry Henry’s Bristol City vs Frank Lampards Derby County. With SL's record of choosing managers, he'll probably go for Lenny Henry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 If LJ was to go this year and replaced by McAllister then I would give up on this club completely - the fact this is even discussed as a viable alternative in the near future worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Robbored said: If/when LJ moves on I’d expect either Macca or Holden to step up in a similar fashion to the old Liverpool “boot room” that was so successful during thier hey days. The benefits are clear - much less disruption to the club when the manager changes. Continuity with the clubs ethos is essential Sometimes continuity isn’t a good idea, particularly if a manager has just been sacked for terrible results and his coaches had the same ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Neo said: If LJ was to go this year and replaced by McAllister then I would give up on this club completely - the fact this is even discussed as a viable alternative in the near future worries me. I’m unable to ‘rubbish’ or ‘snake’? Have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 17, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I don’t think that promoting a player to manager works, as they are “one of the lads” and the change simply doesn’t work. Slightly different scenario, when I got a promotion to being a Team Leader many years ago, many of my co-workers found it really hard, not only professionally but also felt uneasy speaking openly infront of me outside of work. It took a long time to gain a new kind of trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, David Brent said: I’m unable to ‘rubbish’ or ‘snake’? Have both. Ok then - want to explain why or are you just that sort of annoying tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Neo said: Ok then - want to explain why or are you just that sort of annoying tool? It was the ‘giving up on the club completely’. Bit over the top? For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t particularly want McAllister (not yet anyway) but just saying I believe that’s what the club will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, phantom said: Slightly different scenario, when I got a promotion to being a Team Leader many years ago, many of my co-workers found it really hard, not only professionally but also felt uneasy speaking openly infront of me outside of work. It took a long time to gain a new kind of trust Exactly. For what it’s worth, I think JMac has the makings of & attributes needed to be a very good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 To avoid the same old, same old, if/when LJ leaves the plan is going to have to change as well, or are cracks already appearing in the plan?; with older players coming in and the younger ones making the bench at best. Will any new manager make any difference anyway if too tight constraints are put on them, or will they just be happy with a nice little earner...the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_s Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, Robbored said: If/when LJ moves on I’d expect either Macca or Holden to step up in a similar fashion to the old Liverpool “boot room” that was so successful during thier hey days. The benefits are clear - much less disruption to the club when the manager changes. Continuity with the clubs ethos is essential I wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Ashton step unto the breach and promote himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Rich_s said: I wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Ashton step unto the breach and promote himself. Has he got his coaching badges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rich_s said: I wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Ashton step unto the breach and promote himself. You mean demote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Rich_s said: I wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Ashton step unto the breach and lick himself. thought I read that right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Exactly. For what it’s worth, I think JMac has the makings of & attributes needed to be a very good manager. Based on what though Unremarkable playing career, never won anything - or been on the staff of anyone who has - at any level of football coaching. The only reason LJ appointed JM or DH was that they were both inexperienced and unlikely to spot what a fraud he is......unlike an experienced assistant. When SL finally comes to his senses I hope he clears all 3 out and employs a proper coaching team with proven records. The money LJ has wasted on fees and wages. For players who contributed FA would have paid the wages of a top coach 3 times over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, phantom said: What amazed me is that SL pulled out all the stops to get Pat Lam into the hot seat for the rugby but doesn't employ anyone of a similar ilk for the football club The promoting from within is basically how we took on LJ I think it works with the likes of Tins / JMc around the club but for me we aren't at a good enough level of football to bring anyone through the ranks to the top job You realise that would mean employing someone like Klopp! Can’t see us getting him to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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