Finley_Smith10 Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 Selling our 3 best players and only spending a fraction of it is what’s gunna cost us this season, all well passing around 2/3 of the pitch but in the final 1/3 we’re awful, defiantly need a loan striker or a creative midfielder of we’re in for a long season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 Lansdown just hedging his bets. Keeping some aside for a new manager if LJ takes us to the bottom of the league. Or keeping some back for January if we are pushing knowing he didn't/couldnt sanction enough this January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Finley_Smith10 said: Selling our 3 best players and only spending a fraction of it is what’s gunna cost us this season, all well passing around 2/3 of the pitch but in the final 1/3 we’re awful, defiantly need a loan striker or a creative midfielder of we’re in for a long season Someone else on here said when the accounts for last year come out they will show we lost over £18m. If that's the case LJ would have been under orders to sell and get some money in as our losses will have to be in single figures this year to get us back on track, we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 What utter tosh. Lansdown is many things but I don’t think stingy can be levelled at him as one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: Someone else on here said when the accounts for last year come out they will show we lost over £18m. If that's the case LJ would have been under orders to sell and get some money in as our losses will have to be in single figures this year to get us back on track, we'll have to wait and see. Nail on head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 20,000 fans per game. How many will keep on coming if we dont start to win a few. How much will that cost. Record number of season tickets sold. How many wont renew next year if things dont improve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: What utter tosh. Lansdown is many things but I don’t think stingy can be levelled at him as one of them. Indeed. The idea was always to develop players to sell at a profit to help minimise the club's losses. The players we sold this season cost us less than £3.5 million combined. We've spent over £10 million replacing them. Someone can question whether we've bought the right players but it isn't stinginess - the club cannot afford to spend everything received through player sales on player purchases. That's simple economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, LondonBristolian said: Indeed. The idea was always to develop players to sell at a profit to help minimise the club's losses. The players we sold this season cost us less than £3.5 million combined. We've spent over £10 million replacing them. Someone can question whether we've bought the right players but it isn't stinginess - the club cannot afford to spend everything received through player sales on player purchases. That's simple economics. Exactly this. Whether the recruitment in is done well is a completely separate issue. But to call SL stingy is deeply unfair and ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBrizzleRobin Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 As other said SL has certainly not been stingy, it's the people that he trusts to spend it wisely that's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Indeed. The idea was always to develop players to sell at a profit to help minimise the club's losses. The players we sold this season cost us less than £3.5 million combined. We've spent over £10 million replacing them. Someone can question whether we've bought the right players but it isn't stinginess - the club cannot afford to spend everything received through player sales on player purchases. That's simple economics. Have we really spent over £10m on transfer fees this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 Is this the bloke that wrote "Every Breathe You Take" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: 20,000 fans per game. How many will keep on coming if we dont start to win a few. How much will that cost. Record number of season tickets sold. How many wont renew next year if things dont improve? Nowhere near 19000 there today, fans are already turning away which is worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Have we really spent over £10m on transfer fees this summer? That's the best part of 30 Tilsons 3 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Nowhere near 19000 there today, fans are already turning away which is worrying Loads are away on holidays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Have we really spent over £10m on transfer fees this summer? I think so. I have seen it banded about a lot. Webster was 4m Hunt I have seen listed at 1.4m Think Eisa was about 1.5m Watkins was more than £1m That is 7.9 on those four alone, excluding signing on fees etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Have we really spent over £10m on transfer fees this summer? Just now, LondonBristolian said: I think so. I have seen it banded about a lot. Webster was 4m Hunt I have seen listed at 1.4m Think Eisa was about 1.5m Watkins was more than £1m That is 7.9 on those four alone, excluding signing on fees etc. £9.68 million according to transfermarket We received according to them £26.55 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Finley_Smith10 said: defiantly need a loan striker or a creative midfielder of we’re in for a long season Yes for sure . I like Pack and Smith but we need something different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, shelts said: Yes for sure . I like Pack and Smith but we need something different Well we are going to get something ‘different’ for next few games I’d suggest ( Looking at Korey going off ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Well we are going to get something ‘different’ for next few games I’d suggest ( Looking at Korey going off ) Yes true . Good substitution with Taylor coming on !! Crying out for a ball player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 I hope Korey is OK. He is a key player for us. The first name I always look out for on the teamsheet and prey that Lee doesn't play him at full back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: I hope Korey is OK. He is a key player for us. The first name I always look out for on the teamsheet and prey that Lee doesn't play him at full back His Instagram post Appears he’s concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 Oh dear, Korey looks ****ed for at least a while then. We don't have a backup for him, do we. We have not been good this season, but this is a bigger blow than most think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 I agree with the sentiments about Korey FWIW, top player but the thrux of this thread would suggest even with the non match day revenues that we're not sustainable as a Championship club judging by transfers covering the losses? How do Preston and Brentford do it? Concerned? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 What people forget, is that even the average player, lets say Eliasson, costs this club about £350kp/annum in wages. Outside of the first team, on loan, and others (regarding periods of injury) add up, we spunked wages on: Engvall, Moore, Hinds, Eliasson, Djuric, Dhiediou, Hegeler, Baker, Steele, Taylor, Magnússon, Leko, Woodrow, Diony, Kent (300k fine also), Wright, Walsh, O'Dowda, Pisano, all who either didn't play for periods, at all, or were loaned out. All not in the team, in cases at all, injured, or intermittently. Then lets say roughly £5kpw average. Diedhiou, Diony, Kent, Woodrow, Leko, on £10kpw,, Baker on £15kpw, being very optimistic. I honestly thing Leko, Woodrow, Diedhiou, Kent, Diony, were all on significantly more, same with Hegeler and Magnússon. Our last recognised loss (selling Kodj) was £3.26m for the 16/17 season. For all those on a (supposed average) £5kpw salary (12 of the above), that adds up to £3.12m, Second bracket (10kpw, 6 months for Leko and Kent each) come a further £2.08m, and Baker adding £0.8m (Total Salary increase of an estimated >£6m), Transfers was a further net spend of £9m. Further signing on fees, clauses, and loyalty bonuses will probably add in the region of £1m including agent costs, adding on further allowances for increase in costs and new player wages... That all told would give us a net loss for the 17/18 season of around £16m This also gives an estimated overall total wage spending of around £27m; our last recorded gross income was £21.2m, lets assume growth of £2m from the cup run, and a further 10% from increase attendance and commercial income, would give us around £25.5m; therefore our wages to turnover, even with the cup run was much worse. The issue is whether that income (if it does show, eventually, to have risen) is artificially inflated on a once-off basis. 28 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: I agree with the sentiments about Korey FWIW, top player but the thrux of this thread would suggest even with the non match day revenues that we're not sustainable as a Championship club judging by transfers covering the losses? How do Preston and Brentford do it? Concerned? Yes. For comparison Ska, in the 16/17 period, our wages to turnover was 98%. Brentford had a wages to turnover of 166%. Based on the (very) general/rough figures I adopted above (its midnight, meh) gives a indication of our wages to turnover being 106%, and that's being kind. Note also in the below QPR's are artificially deflated due to PP from relegation. Either way, these supposed 'squad' players, along with last seasons over-reliance on loans, really bitten us in the ass. Only going to get worse with Weimann's suppoed wage at Derby being around £25-30kpw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, Fuber said: What people forget, is that even the average player, lets say Eliasson, costs this club about £350kp/annum in wages. Outside of the first team, on loan, and others (regarding periods of injury) add up, we spunked wages on: Engvall, Moore, Hinds, Eliasson, Djuric, Dhiediou, Hegeler, Baker, Steele, Taylor, Magnússon, Leko, Woodrow, Diony, Kent (300k fine also), Wright, Walsh, O'Dowda, Pisano, all who either didn't play for periods, at all, or were loaned out. All not in the team, in cases at all, injured, or intermittently. Then lets say roughly £5kpw average. Diedhiou, Diony, Kent, Woodrow, Leko, on £10kpw,, Baker on £15kpw, being very optimistic. I honestly thing Leko, Woodrow, Diedhiou, Kent, Diony, were all on significantly more, same with Hegeler and Magnússon. Our last recognised loss (selling Kodj) was £3.26m for the 16/17 season. For all those on a (supposed average) £5kpw salary (12 of the above), that adds up to £3.12m, Second bracket (10kpw, 6 months for Leko and Kent each) come a further £2.08m, and Baker adding £0.8m (Total Salary increase of an estimated >£6m), Transfers was a further net spend of £9m. Further signing on fees, clauses, and loyalty bonuses will probably add in the region of £1m including agent costs, adding on further allowances for increase in costs and new player wages... That all told would give us a net loss for the 17/18 season of around £16m This also gives an estimated overall total wage spending of around £27m; our last recorded gross income was £21.2m, lets assume growth of £2m from the cup run, and a further 10% from increase attendance and commercial income, would give us around £25.5m; therefore our wages to turnover, even with the cup run was much worse. The issue is whether that income (if it does show, eventually, to have risen) is artificially inflated on a once-off basis. For comparison Ska, in the 16/17 period, our wages to turnover was 98%. Brentford had a wages to turnover of 166%. Based on the (very) general/rough figures I adopted above (its midnight, meh) gives a indication of our wages to turnover being 106%, and that's being kind. Note also in the below QPR's are artificially deflated due to PP from relegation. Either way, these supposed 'squad' players, along with last seasons over-reliance on loans, really bitten us in the ass. Only going to get worse with Weimann's suppoed wage at Derby being around £25-30kpw. Blinding post Fuber, thanks for that. Essentially then, we don't belong in the Championship, even with the redevelopment as we can't afford to compete unless we take the same risks others take. **** it then, let's all stay at home.:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 We were aready performing at this level at the back end of last season. The sale of them all probably hasn't really made a difference honestly, we just had a head start before we were crap last season so our league position didn't look quite so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Blinding post Fuber, thanks for that. Essentially then, we don't belong in the Championship, even with the redevelopment as we can't afford to compete unless we take the same risks others take. **** it then, let's all stay at home.:( Keep in mind Ska. Our spending is the same as Brentford. It says a lot about what proper scouting like we had under Kieth Burt, who couldn't half identify a player (Freeman, Ayling, Moore, Robinson, Baker, Kodjia), can achieve at this level. Reading manage fine, their wages to turnover was 76%, and they posted a profit recently I believe, and made the playoff under Stam that season - so it can be done. But keeping momentum and morale is critical as Reading showed this season, and what Brentford manage everytime. Something needs to change, if its not LJ, its the coaches, the scouts, the DoF, something. The problem is that LJ's erratic form highlights poor management of individuals and the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, TBW said: We were aready performing at this level at the back end of last season. The sale of them all probably hasn't really made a difference honestly, we just had a head start before we were crap last season so our league position didn't look quite so bad. Players have the ability; they've proven that. And I've mentioned a key word(s) that's all but required at this level. Look at Nuno, Warnock, Jokanovic, Rowett, Bruce, even Dean Smith, McCarthy, Harris, Wilder. We may not like the all of them on that short list; but they all of that one skill, that key word. Man-management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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