Tipps69 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 It’s all becoming more than just a little ridiculous now. First of all we obviously had the bog standard terrestrial channels, then Sky arrived & then different guises of the failed football channel (the names escape me), then BT Sport joined in & now there’s various streaming sites to watch Spanish & Italian football, YouTube showing various live events (football & boxing etc) & now Amazon Prime have managed to jump on the bandwagon for US Open tennis & The US Open golf was streamed live only on some online channel. So to watch all of this now, people are expected to pay out for Sky & BT Sports, Eleven Sports & Amazon Prime & whatever other streaming site wins the rights to an event. At this rate there will be separate subscriptions needed to view every individual competition for every single sport. How is this in the best interest of the paying customer? These subscriptions aren’t exactly cheap as it is but by having to subscribe to more & more companies, it is going to get to the stage where very few sports or competitions will have any viewers. And yes, I understand that no one is forced to watch these sports / sites but as someone who likes to watch sports, at this time of year normally I’d be able to watch the US Open tennis on Eurosport, free of charge but now Amazon Prime have the rights to it & it’s not something that I’d sign up to just so I can watch the tennis, likewise I’m not going to sign up to sights to watch the foreign football or the golf, all of which I had access to last year without having to go beyond a Sky subscription. Is there actually enough interest by the paying public to actually warrant these individual events being on a stand alone subscription service? Will people really go out & pay to watch tennis & golf on TV? I’d watch it if there was little else on & it was free but I sure as hell won’t be paying to watch any tennis or golf tournaments, no matter what else is or isn’t on TV. I just don’t see how this can be seen as good for the individual sports or for sport in general, how many children will pick up interest in a sport now if they can’t actually see it on TV in the first place for it to grab their attention? They seem to be flooding all the outlets with too many options & by expecting everyone to pay for it all, it just seems over the top. Are we actually heading towards every individual event, for every single sport, will require people to pay out if they want watch it because surely that will just see more people give up with watching sports on TV, it certainly will as far as I’m concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lymebayrobin Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 And you can add midweek Championship matches at £10 per match to the list as well. And no I can't see all these platforms all showing different sports packages being a great deal for the viewer. I have Amazon Prime so just watched Murray in US open but wouldn't get it just for that. For Amazon just another option to attract some new customers & keep others but really just a toe in the sports rights water for them. Can Eleven with La Liga & Serie A + Dutch football survive especially as only online? It's a confusing & congested playing field from where I'm sat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman_Red Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 57 minutes ago, Tipps69 said: First of all we obviously had the bog standard terrestrial channels, then Sky arrived & then different guises of the failed football channel (the names escape me), then BT Sport joined in & now there’s various streaming sites to watch Spanish & Italian football, YouTube showing various live events (football & boxing etc) & now Amazon Prime have managed to jump on the bandwagon for US Open tennis & The US Open golf was streamed live only on some online channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 I haven’t really considered it. Ive had SKy for around 15 years and that covers my main sports interests, football and cricket. I added BT simply for the PL football. I got Amazon Prime because they show some great dramas and films.Plus you get free delivery on most amazon goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Up to last weekend when I went to watch it, I missed the fact Sky had not renewed the rights to La Liga this season and have offered nothing to compensate for it. At least when they lost the champions league they gave us... the MLS! They don’t want to be held to ransom over what they were paying. Oh the irony!!! It’s fine though I will just get into watching Netball on Sky Sports Mix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 I can find a good stream for every game I want to see but understand not everyone can or wants to. I agree it has got silly now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Way of the world but it is free choice. My list of direct debits each month has over doubled from a decade ago. Got the usual mortgage, council tax, gas/electric, water, virgin, home insurance, car insurance etc. But now there is phones (X 3), pet insurance, season tickets, interest free sofas/windows, Apple Music, Xbox gold, ea access, crunchyroll, Netflix, appliance insurance, car lease, postcode lottery, city foundation and on and on. Without a spreadsheet I would be effed keeping track !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Monopolies aren't really a good thing tbh. I don't have Sky, but as part of Virgin do have BT. Decent- last season as well as a number of good PL games (the 5.30pm kickoff slot usually decent), also some Bundesliga, Serie A. Some big games in Ligue 1 and Bundesliga 2 is a pretty fun 2nd tier. Now Serie A- ironically as it is improving and continuing to improve (Ronaldo plus other clubs upgrading quite strongly) has gone online and left BT- irony. Oh and unless not mistaken, Ashes in Australia is on BT Sport. Decent range.overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posset red Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Perferred it when sky had everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Tipps69 said: It’s all becoming more than just a little ridiculous now. First of all we obviously had the bog standard terrestrial channels, then Sky arrived & then different guises of the failed football channel (the names escape me), then BT Sport joined in & now there’s various streaming sites to watch Spanish & Italian football, YouTube showing various live events (football & boxing etc) & now Amazon Prime have managed to jump on the bandwagon for US Open tennis & The US Open golf was streamed live only on some online channel. So to watch all of this now, people are expected to pay out for Sky & BT Sports, Eleven Sports & Amazon Prime & whatever other streaming site wins the rights to an event. At this rate there will be separate subscriptions needed to view every individual competition for every single sport. How is this in the best interest of the paying customer? These subscriptions aren’t exactly cheap as it is but by having to subscribe to more & more companies, it is going to get to the stage where very few sports or competitions will have any viewers. And yes, I understand that no one is forced to watch these sports / sites but as someone who likes to watch sports, at this time of year normally I’d be able to watch the US Open tennis on Eurosport, free of charge but now Amazon Prime have the rights to it & it’s not something that I’d sign up to just so I can watch the tennis, likewise I’m not going to sign up to sights to watch the foreign football or the golf, all of which I had access to last year without having to go beyond a Sky subscription. Is there actually enough interest by the paying public to actually warrant these individual events being on a stand alone subscription service? Will people really go out & pay to watch tennis & golf on TV? I’d watch it if there was little else on & it was free but I sure as hell won’t be paying to watch any tennis or golf tournaments, no matter what else is or isn’t on TV. I just don’t see how this can be seen as good for the individual sports or for sport in general, how many children will pick up interest in a sport now if they can’t actually see it on TV in the first place for it to grab their attention? They seem to be flooding all the outlets with too many options & by expecting everyone to pay for it all, it just seems over the top. Are we actually heading towards every individual event, for every single sport, will require people to pay out if they want watch it because surely that will just see more people give up with watching sports on TV, it certainly will as far as I’m concerned. There is so much live football that we can all go and watch in the local leagues, that I personally hope people are priced out of tv /internet football. That may sound harsh, but why don’t more people go and watch Western League and Southern league games in our area. I watched Tiverton v Taunton today, nearly 800 there watching, good game, plenty of ‘bite’ and 4 goals. Football is not a tv programme, watch it live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: There is so much live football that we can all go and watch in the local leagues, that I personally hope people are priced out of tv /internet football. That may sound harsh, but why don’t more people go and watch Western League and Southern league games in our area. I watched Tiverton v Taunton today, nearly 800 there watching, good game, plenty of ‘bite’ and 4 goals. Football is not a tv programme, watch it live It is a TV programme of sorts - it’s entertainment in your own lounge. I applaud the case you’re making for non-league - I watch Chippenham Town a few times a season - but going to watch a non-league game is not realistically a replacement for football on TV. For a start, you can’t pretend it’s as big a match as a Championship League fixture or similar. And then there are the practicalities of actually attending vs watching at home. It’s not realistic for many of us to get out on weekday evenings, particularly if you’ve got kids. It’s far more convenient to stick the telly on. Finally, watching regular non-league football is going to rack up to substantially more than even the most expensive Sky or BT subscription. I know Chippenham is a tenner a game. But to reiterate I do think local non-league football is a good thing to support if you can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 One of the reasons why Wimbledon is so great. Now watch some Saudi Arabian website take that off the BBC for next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: There is so much live football that we can all go and watch in the local leagues, that I personally hope people are priced out of tv /internet football. That may sound harsh, but why don’t more people go and watch Western League and Southern league games in our area. I watched Tiverton v Taunton today, nearly 800 there watching, good game, plenty of ‘bite’ and 4 goals. Football is not a tv programme, watch it live I’d love to go & watch live but due to an accident a few years back, I’m now unable to attend games live anymore because of the pain I’m in, hence why I tend to have sport on my TV so much. I grew up playing & watching sports of all sorts, everyday so now I’m restricted to watching from home, for as long as I can afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: There is so much live football that we can all go and watch in the local leagues, that I personally hope people are priced out of tv /internet football. That may sound harsh, but why don’t more people go and watch Western League and Southern league games in our area. I watched Tiverton v Taunton today, nearly 800 there watching, good game, plenty of ‘bite’ and 4 goals. Football is not a tv programme, watch it live That's the main reason why I go and watch BMF regularly. Good win for them today against Slimbridge in front of a few hundred, all for £4 quid... Never got sky or BT, don't want to give my money to the corporations that are ruining football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 It's ridiculous. It would be one thing if the prices were reduced for the things they lost. Nowadays, you essentially have to pay more, for less than you already had (whether you stay with one provider or add more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: It is a TV programme of sorts - it’s entertainment in your own lounge. I applaud the case you’re making for non-league - I watch Chippenham Town a few times a season - but going to watch a non-league game is not realistically a replacement for football on TV. For a start, you can’t pretend it’s as big a match as a Championship League fixture or similar. And then there are the practicalities of actually attending vs watching at home. It’s not realistic for many of us to get out on weekday evenings, particularly if you’ve got kids. It’s far more convenient to stick the telly on. Finally, watching regular non-league football is going to rack up to substantially more than even the most expensive Sky or BT subscription. I know Chippenham is a tenner a game. But to reiterate I do think local non-league football is a good thing to support if you can! think sky will start to feature the championship and the rest of the EFL more as time goes on, and as long as those teams get a bit more of the pie reckon it might be a good thing, city being on the red button every game mid week is just the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 8 hours ago, Neo said: Way of the world but it is free choice. My list of direct debits each month has over doubled from a decade ago. Got the usual mortgage, council tax, gas/electric, water, virgin, home insurance, car insurance etc. But now there is phones (X 3), pet insurance, season tickets, interest free sofas/windows, Apple Music, Xbox gold, ea access, crunchyroll, Netflix, appliance insurance, car lease, postcode lottery, city foundation and on and on. Without a spreadsheet I would be effed keeping track !! WTF is crunchyroll!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, CyderInACan said: WTF is crunchyroll!? F knows - I was hoping for some fantastiche food fetish German porn but no. I got a geeky teen son and I think it shows anime and shit like that - got subtitles on most of it I know that much !! Whatever keeps him out the sports and movies lounge !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 Hopefully it’s the beginning of a big collapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 9 hours ago, JBFC II said: One of the reasons why Wimbledon is so great. Now watch some Saudi Arabian website take that off the BBC for next year... They can’t sell it can they as there is some agreement that it has to be on a free to air channel, along with The Grand National, FA Cup and a couple of other sports I think. I don’t know when the agreement ends though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 10 hours ago, Robbored said: I haven’t really considered it. Ive had SKy for around 15 years and that covers my main sports interests, football and cricket. I added BT simply for the PL football. I got Amazon Prime because they show some great dramas and films.Plus you get free delivery on most amazon goods. If you haven't watched it yet, catch the "Man City all or nothing" documented on Prime, its ace. Great for all football fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said: If you haven't watched it yet, catch the "Man City all or nothing" documented on Prime, its ace. Great for all football fans. Watched the first four episodes so far. I find Peps English hard to follow at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 10 hours ago, Portland Bill said: There is so much live football that we can all go and watch in the local leagues, that I personally hope people are priced out of tv /internet football. That may sound harsh, but why don’t more people go and watch Western League and Southern league games in our area. I watched Tiverton v Taunton today, nearly 800 there watching, good game, plenty of ‘bite’ and 4 goals. Football is not a tv programme, watch it live It depends if you find that level of football entertaining. Personally I don't so I am not going to go to watch it. Tried it a few times and not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 36 minutes ago, Robbored said: Watched the first four episodes so far. I find Peps English hard to follow at times. Have you got your very own tannoy system then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 51 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said: If you haven't watched it yet, catch the "Man City all or nothing" documented on Prime, its ace. Great for all football fans. 35 minutes ago, Robbored said: Watched the first four episodes so far. I find Peps English hard to follow at times. I watched the 5th episode over the weekend. It is the episode that deals with the league cup, and so Bristol City feature briefly. I thought it had it's moments. comments from the backroom staff and some of the behind the scenes stuff is interesting. However, there's far too many slow motion shots of diverse and happy fans celebrating, triumphant music, and general pro-Man Cityness (if that's a thing). It's essentially a very long advert. Good in places but don't think I'll be watching anymore episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 10 hours ago, JBFC II said: One of the reasons why Wimbledon is so great. Now watch some Saudi Arabian website take that off the BBC for next year... 1 hour ago, RedM said: They can’t sell it can they as there is some agreement that it has to be on a free to air channel, along with The Grand National, FA Cup and a couple of other sports I think. I don’t know when the agreement ends though I cannot for the life of me understand why Wimbledon is one of the few protected sports and cricket isn't. Mainly, Wimbledon is a collection of the world's best players of a sport that helps considerably if one hails from a privileged background. I would also guess and state that Tennis has considerably fewer avid viewers than cricket. OK Wimbledon is part of what is considered the British Summer, but surely so is a test match at Lord's? I've heard it said that the only reason Wimbledon is a protected sport is because the Queen likes it and she cannot have a Sky dish fitted because Buckingham Palace is a listed building. There might be some truth in this. Anyway, fortunately I don't reside in a listed building so have recently had a Sky dish installed so now I can regularly watch cricket so it doesn't get my goat anywhere near as much as it once did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, handsofclay said: I cannot for the life of me understand why Wimbledon is one of the few protected sports and cricket isn't. Mainly, Wimbledon is a collection of the world's best players of a sport that helps considerably if one hails from a privileged background. I would also guess and state that Tennis has considerably fewer avid viewers than cricket. OK Wimbledon is part of what is considered the British Summer, but surely so is a test match at Lord's? I've heard it said that the only reason Wimbledon is a protected sport is because the Queen likes it and she cannot have a Sky dish fitted because Buckingham Palace is a listed building. There might be some truth in this. Anyway, fortunately I don't reside in a listed building so have recently had a Sky dish installed so now I can regularly watch cricket so it doesn't get my goat anywhere near as much as it once did. I get your point completely, and although I enjoy tennis and have no interest in cricket I can see that the ashes is a major part of the British summer. I'd imagine that Wimbledon draws in massive audiences throughout the two weeks, with even non tennis fans tuning in for the last Sunday. I'm not sure if this would happen were the ashes to be on the BBC? Apart from that, I have no idea (although the Queen thing doesn't seem like it's very feasible haha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, RedM said: They can’t sell it can they as there is some agreement that it has to be on a free to air channel, along with The Grand National, FA Cup and a couple of other sports I think. I don’t know when the agreement ends though I cannot, for the life of me, understand why The Grand National is one of the protected sports. The Government has rightly decided to ban electric collars on dogs and cats as they are considered cruel. Yet, stick a bloke or lass on the back of a horse, get it to run at breakneck speed by the use of a whip and make it jump over fences that can, and at times do, cause the horse to break its neck or a leg or two and then die, and the Government see fit not only to allow this to continue but ensure that the whole nation has the ability to watch it for nothing! However, the opportunity I had as a teen, to watch David Gower majestically hit a delivery from Kapil Dev through the covers or Ian Botham's swashbuckling heroics on the way to turning the Ashes Series of 1981 on its head, would now cost the equivalent beholder today a good £30 plus a month. Once again, the Queen, me thinks, is being pandered to. Surely, if she desperately wants to see her daughter and daughter in law she only has to get them on the phone and as them to call in. (There goes my chance of a knighthood!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semblar Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 And of couse the EFL highlights have now moved to a channel called Quest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, semblar said: And of couse the EFL highlights have now moved to a channel called Quest.... I can see this becoming a specialised subject on Mastermind soon with John Humphries asking, 'Where can you see Bundesliga live matches?' Contestant: BT Sport. Humphries: Correct. Where can you see highlights of the EFL? Contestant: Quest. Humphries: Correct, what do you need to buy from NowTV to watch Premier League or EFL football live for a day, a week, or a month? Contestant: Pass. Humphries: Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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