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2 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

You see the response I got was very much that I just had to be an ex copper, because otherwise would I not buy into this ridiculous all aboard the wagon brigade who think that cops are just bent. I am not a copper or even a ex one, I was a military Policeman though, does that count in your biased agenda, that we all have to buy into this stupid idea that we have to be molly coddled and not stand on our own two feet and at least get to the ground early without being half pissed!!!  The narrative from one of the 10 was that the A&S police entered the pub and according to him enquired 'what time would they be leaving?, they imo left it too late in leaving and were caught out, any fan would or should have realised this was foolhardy.

Wtf, now you've made up a load of stuff that I didn't write either!

If English isn't your first language then fair enough, but otherwise log off you absolute mess.

You are chatting so much shit that it's actually painful.

 

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1 hour ago, JulieH said:

The above comment still stands from me.

hopefully after the September date a full press release from all concerned parties can be made 

I suppose you really have to take this stance, I understand that, but the narrative from one of the lads involved was pretty much to ignore good advice, it was not a good idea to leave it so late in the pub, and they paid the price.

A lesson learned, not a huge deal.

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3 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Again *shock* you jump in and show yourself to be a buffoon 

 

you did not heed the A&S Police advice’

Where has @shorts178 indicated that to be so or even that ther was any ‘advice’ from A&S officers 

then wanted an escort to the ground when you decided to put your pints down.

Where has the poster said this ?

What are the Police supposed to do that are charged with control, interview

Interview ???? For WHAT ?

 

It could be you have the inability to read , but ..........much more likely your views , as in most subjects , spoken as a ex. pretend cop in the RAF with the protection of a dog

Have another rant about kids playing PS4 why don’t you

Nause

You seem obsessed with my past, which is a bit of a worry, do you have total recall about most folk on here,  or just a dossier on those that get the better of you ?

Take a walk..

  

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2 hours ago, phantom said:

@1bristolcity you never did respond to this post

Still waiting !!

31 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

The narrative from one of the 10 was that the A&S police entered the pub and according to him enquired 'what time would they be leaving?, they imo left it too late in leaving and were caught out, any fan would or should have realised this was foolhardy.

I'm not going to patronise you and imply you have not been to a pub near an away ground before.

It is common practice for either local or A&S police to liaise with those in the pub to ask what their plans are and what time they plan to leave. Often they will say to leave by ** time to ensure we get to the ground in time, but it is VERY rare for any force to imply people have to leave by an exact time, I've known the odd group of people actually stay in a bar before and have no problems

The only time I can recall a real issue was at QPR many years ago, where police horses blocked the doorways to the pubs and physically stopped people being able to leave, I'm sure if this happened again now more would be made of it. That day I was in a bar the opposite side of the road with friends from City and QPR and on leaving was told I couldn't walk with my QPR supporting friends to the ground and that we had to wait for the escort that was leaving a bit later, this was the infamous day we walked away from the ground and got taken to the wrong entrance at 1515, only to be told the turnstiles were shut. We eventually got in just before half time, but that was no fault of any City fan either that day

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32 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

You see the response I got was very much that I just had to be an ex copper, because otherwise would I not buy into this ridiculous all aboard the wagon brigade who think that cops are just bent. I am not a copper or even a ex one, I was a military Policeman though, does that count in your biased agenda, that we all have to buy into this stupid idea that we have to be molly coddled and not stand on our own two feet and at least get to the ground early without being half pissed!!!  The narrative from one of the 10 was that the A&S police entered the pub and according to him enquired 'what time would they be leaving?, they imo left it too late in leaving and were caught out, any fan would or should have realised this was foolhardy.

You seem to be the one jumping on anyone who questions the WMP as thinking all coppers are bent - I cannot see anyone saying that at all.

You also seem more biased than anyone else on here.

Everyone can stand on their own two feet, these 10 even managed to walk on them towards a football ground that they had paid money for to watch their team play, so now they are all half p1ssed in your opinion?

Police ask when they are leaving, and? The Police then leave them to it (if they were rowdy they would have been nicked there and then to nip any possible trouble in the bud surely). These "fans leave after the Police and make their way to the ground and get stopped for no apparent reason bar being Bristol City fans. So please enlighten us all what exactly they were "caught out" doing?

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29 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

I suppose you really have to take this stance, I understand that, but the narrative from one of the lads involved was pretty much to ignore good advice, it was not a good idea to leave it so late in the pub, and they paid the price.

A lesson learned, not a huge deal.

What good advice were they given? I haven't read they were given any advice whatsoever. 

Left the pub late so they "paid the price"??? I don't know when they left the pub myself, but I am sure it wasn't 2:55pm seeing as the ground was 20 minutes away, but even if they left at 2:55pm why should that result in being sent back home on a train?

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Hardly worth engaging 1BristolCity (the joke that this name is - anti more like) in dialogue because he has framed his own narrative; regardless of any truth in that, and has his own interpretation of events which he is dogmatically sticking. 

Military police officer - don't make me laugh, if he has these ideas regarding civil liberties, I'd be very worried about whether he is or was a fit and proper person for that role. 

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17 minutes ago, phantom said:

Still waiting !!

I'm not going to patronise you and imply you have not been to a pub near an away ground before.

It is common practice for either local or A&S police to liaise with those in the pub to ask what their plans are and what time they plan to leave. Often they will say to leave by ** time to ensure we get to the ground in time, but it is VERY rare for any force to imply people have to leave by an exact time, I've known the odd group of people actually stay in a bar before and have no problems

The only time I can recall a real issue was at QPR many years ago, where police horses blocked the doorways to the pubs and physically stopped people being able to leave, I'm sure if this happened again now more would be made of it. That day I was in a bar the opposite side of the road with friends from City and QPR and on leaving was told I couldn't walk with my QPR supporting friends to the ground and that we had to wait for the escort that was leaving a bit later, this was the infamous day we walked away from the ground and got taken to the wrong entrance at 1515, only to be told the turnstiles were shut. We eventually got in just before half time, but that was no fault of any City fan either that day

Early Februari 2008. We left the pub a minute before this happened

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15 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Hardly worth engaging 1BristolCity (the joke that this name is - anti more like) in dialogue because he has framed his own narrative; regardless of any truth in that, and has his own interpretation of events which he is dogmatically sticking. 

Military police officer - don't make me laugh, if he has these ideas regarding civil liberties, I'd be very worried about whether he is or was a fit and proper person for that role. 

He clearly wasn’t , or should I say Was

The thick ones in Military end up as MPs , 

Bet he was brave, behind his dog

And I bet the dog was the leader !

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40 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

You seem obsessed with my past, which is a bit of a worry, do you have total recall about most folk on here,  or just a dossier on those that get the better of you ?

Take a walk..

  

‘Get the better of you’

:laughcont:

A 3 yr old could get the better of you ! - your posts are pure gold 

They were ‘Half pissed’ now .... I hope you’ve made a statement as you were clearly there or maybe making things up like I have no doubt you did many times in your previous life

You draw so much attention to yourself ranting at posters on numerous threads

An institutionalised monkey from the 50s

Laughable , genuinely laughable 

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He probably thinks he has had the better of all of us as he is obviously a bit on the deluded side, even though he doesn't seem to have made any valid point whatsoever - just seems to make it up as he goes along to suit his own agenda. Seems odd why anyone would have their own agenda in the first place anyway.  Simply just read what has been said and draw a conclusion to what actually happened, there isn't any need to add a load of speculation to everything when it is pointed out you are obviously incorrect. Just learn when to stop typing....

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1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

£10 because I was at Walsall back in 1989 when they waded in after the game with truncheons, fists and boots.

Remember that day well .....

The very same game where a serving A&S Police Officer led the complaints about the shocking behaviour of West Midlands Police 

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

Still waiting !!

I'm not going to patronise you and imply you have not been to a pub near an away ground before.

It is common practice for either local or A&S police to liaise with those in the pub to ask what their plans are and what time they plan to leave. Often they will say to leave by ** time to ensure we get to the ground in time, but it is VERY rare for any force to imply people have to leave by an exact time, I've known the odd group of people actually stay in a bar before and have no problems

The only time I can recall a real issue was at QPR many years ago, where police horses blocked the doorways to the pubs and physically stopped people being able to leave, I'm sure if this happened again now more would be made of it. That day I was in a bar the opposite side of the road with friends from City and QPR and on leaving was told I couldn't walk with my QPR supporting friends to the ground and that we had to wait for the escort that was leaving a bit later, this was the infamous day we walked away from the ground and got taken to the wrong entrance at 1515, only to be told the turnstiles were shut. We eventually got in just before half time, but that was no fault of any City fan either that day

Agreed- think this is correct.

I don't get away all that often but went with a couple of mates to Millwall away around Easter 2018. 

We stayed in the pub a little longer and tbh we possibly didn't even look like football fans, we sat relatively quietly- we made it to New Den late, obviously trains held back we missed first 10-15 mins. Our own fault fair enough but we certainly were not impeded, stopped and let alone sent back! Maybe the police thought we were tourists or something, but yeah we got there late- our own fault, no issue with police however!

This seems to be on WMP- but won't make any definitive point until the full facts emerge. Still I know who I believe.

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1 hour ago, 1bristolcity said:

I suppose you really have to take this stance, I understand that, but the narrative from one of the lads involved was pretty much to ignore good advice, it was not a good idea to leave it so late in the pub, and they paid the price.

A lesson learned, not a huge deal.

It is a huge deal when information you are providing may not be what actually happened.

all will become clear once the court case is finalised and again until then I find it is always good not to comment unless you are in receipt of the full facts 

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8 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Remember that day well .....

The very same game where a serving A&S Police Officer led the complaints about the shocking behaviour of West Midlands Police 

They have form, believe Walsall away 2004 was probably not as bad but similarly Walsall and I read on here a while ago that an A&S Police officer was questioned about it as a witness/complained about it.

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37 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Hardly worth engaging 1BristolCity (the joke that this name is - anti more like) in dialogue because he has framed his own narrative; regardless of any truth in that, and has his own interpretation of events which he is dogmatically sticking. 

Military police officer - don't make me laugh, if he has these ideas regarding civil liberties, I'd be very worried about whether he is or was a fit and proper person for that role. 

As someone who has served in the RAF I can safely say that the prerequisite attributes for a Military Policeman were to be;

Obtuse, confrontational, and stupid.

They were nicknamed meatheads for a reason.

 

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3 hours ago, 1bristolcity said:

You see the response I got was very much that I just had to be an ex copper, because otherwise would I not buy into this ridiculous all aboard the wagon brigade who think that cops are just bent. I am not a copper or even a ex one, I was a military Policeman though, does that count in your biased agenda, that we all have to buy into this stupid idea that we have to be molly coddled and not stand on our own two feet and at least get to the ground early without being half pissed!!!  The narrative from one of the 10 was that the A&S police entered the pub and according to him enquired 'what time would they be leaving?, they imo left it too late in leaving and were caught out, any fan would or should have realised this was foolhardy.

Keep digging that hole fella.

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1 hour ago, bcfc01 said:

As someone who has served in the RAF I can safely say that the prerequisite attributes for a Military Policeman were to be;

Obtuse, confrontational, and stupid.

They were nicknamed meatheads for a reason.

 

If you served in the RAF you should know that was not the term used for any RAF Police. There was a nickname for Station Police, (they wore white caps) you could Wiki if you really need to.

I was part of the elite RAF Police Dog Handler section, we were loved by all btw. ?.

 

Next?

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3 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

£10 because I was at Walsall back in 1989 when they waded in after the game with truncheons, fists and boots.

I still after all these yrs will never ever ever ever forget the scenes that day.

City had a big mob at the time but WMP definitely wanted to have a pop that day.Why they decided on the final whistle to jump onto the terraces and start hitting people with their truncheons still beggars belief.

Always remember a local copper on HTV or BBC on the local news on the Monday saying they were out of order.

If Walsall had played up at the same as the old bill that day gods knows what would have happened.

A kiddy I drove up with got nicked-what was said in court was like listening to Dallas when Bobby Ewing came back to life- unbelievable !!! ( sorry youngsters look on the inter Web about Dallas )

The WMP are corrupt thugs and love a bundle

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4 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

If you served in the RAF you should know that was not the term used for any RAF Police. There was a nickname for Station Police, (they wore white caps) you could Wiki if you really need to.

I was part of the elite RAF Police Dog Handler section, we were loved by all btw. ?.

 

Next?

Must have just fed them and then cleaned up after them, no way would you be let loose interacting with any of the public with your personal views.

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2 hours ago, JulieH said:

It is a huge deal when information you are providing may not be what actually happened.

all will become clear once the court case is finalised and again until then I find it is always good not to comment unless you are in receipt of the full facts 

What information am I providing that even if I was, would influence this case in a court? This is a forum, you will note the main feelings are that WMP acted unlawfully and cite past incidents, of WMP  and football crowd control, this rather skews peoples opinions of what could have happened on the day.

However my thoughts are to repeat, is that by attending such a match which has a potential for trouble, one might wish to take extra precautions, would you not agree?

I am a great believer in taking some responsibility for your self, this is a storm in a teacup, and to call it an injustice and ask for crowd funding because you missed a football match is ott. 

I believe my comments on here by and large have been respectful, and not malicious , perhaps I am old fashioned, but so be it, I am happy with that and will sleep well tonight.

 

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14 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Must have just fed them and then cleaned up after them, no way would you be let loose interacting with any of the public with your personal views.

Yes I fed them, cleaned them , groomed them, trained them, and I interacted with the public , they always made a bee line to talk when they could. My personal views are one of good old fashioned respect for yourself and others, I  try and take responsibility for my own actions.

Why on Earth would anyone consider looking after a Police dog demeaning?

 

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8 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

Yes I fed them, cleaned them , groomed them, trained them, and I interacted with the public , they always made a bee line to talk when they could. My personal views are one of good old fashioned respect for yourself and others, I  try and take responsibility for my own actions.

Why on Earth would anyone consider looking after a Police dog demeaning?

 

Who said it was demeaning?

You seem to have a wondering mind that reads something, but it then translates the information to different words and sentences.

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