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Anyone planning to attend?

I'm hearing whispers of a fairly low ticket sales of around 12k.  I have a feeling the pay on the day queues may be rather large. That being said, will probably be one of the highest attendances of the weekend.

 

 

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11,300 "crowd".

Which should put all that "Bristol is really a rugby city" bollocks firmly to bed for good.

Imagine if that was the attendance for our first home game in the Prem..

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I attended the rugby today at AG. Good atmosphere but poor Bristol got badly beaten. Apparently they were very off the pace and deseved to be well behind at HT - that's according to the guys around me..

The sound system remains shockingly poor. Yet again no-one could hear the announcements- exactly the same as when City are at home. Muffled. 

Why it's so difficult to fix is one of life's mysteries.

Hung around after the game for a pint. Great buzz around the stage with a 14 yr boy playing guitar like a pro. He was whacking out some great classics. Very talented lad.

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Watched the first half in the telly, and if that is what 11k looks like in a redeveloped AG, then they would be better off shutting down a couple of stands.

And yes, Bristol need to improve dramatically otherwise it will be another 7 years gazing upwards.

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

I attended the rugby today at AG. Good atmosphere but poor Bristol got badly beaten. Apparently they were very off the pace and deseved to be well behind at HT - that's according to the guys around me..

The sound system remains shockingly poor. Yet again no-one could hear the announcements- exactly the same as when City are at home. Muffled. 

Why it's so difficult to fix is one of life's mysteries.

Hung around after the game for a pint. Great buzz around the stage with a 14 yr boy playing guitar like a pro. He was whacking out some great classics. Very talented lad.

Having only watched rugby for a season, all home games bar one, I'm certainly not an expert. My thoughts are the game is much quicker and somehow has less stoppages. The Premiership players are stronger physically and think quicker. Bristol are naturally adjusting. The Ref it seemed today made some odd decisions for both sides but heavily favouring the     longstanding Premiership team. Yes we were pounded before HT, aided by the Ref ( at times it felt like football as the normally tolerant crowd turned on the Ref). After HT we had a bit more fight in us and began to get a grip on the game which was already out of our reach. We forced them into the same mistakes which had littered our game.

Fair crowd considering it was double last season's attendances I would think, but Northamption were well represented by their fans (still find it odd they are scattered amongst us, don't really like this) The end blocks of each stand were quite sparce but middles full enough. Looks like the normally quite busy South Stand people have moved over to the Lansdown though, but hard to tell as I was in S18 right alongside the Lansdown today.

As for the speakers, I had honestly thought they had fixed them as it was pretty good ethereal I was. Clear and right volume. When I go back to my football home (Dolman) I guess I'm in for disappointment then.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I went. Put a post in stadium matters.

Which I have split and merged with this.

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16 hours ago, GrahamC said:

11,300 "crowd".

Which should put all that "Bristol is really a rugby city" bollocks firmly to bed for good.

Imagine if that was the attendance for our first home game in the Prem..

Amazing that more people turned out for the play off final than the first league fixture in the Prem

I guess we are going to get our "free" ticket for the rugby earlier than planned in the hope that some of us go back again

15 hours ago, Robbored said:

Hung around after the game for a pint. Great buzz around the stage with a 14 yr boy playing guitar like a pro. He was whacking out some great classics. Very talented lad.

I'm guessing that was Senna as I believe Daz was playing at the ground yesterday - yeah he is VERY talented 

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6 minutes ago, phantom said:

Amazing that more people turned out for the play off final than the first league fixture in the Prem

I guess we are going to get our "free" ticket for the rugby earlier than planned in the hope that some of us go back again

I'm guessing that was Senna as I believe Daz was playing at the ground yesterday - yeah he is VERY talented 

I expect a great many saw the price and decided there are better things to do.  On the first half display I share that view :(

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Still a bigger crowd than Bath and Exeter got this weekend? 

I agree it seems a bit on the low side but clearly there's some big crowds to come over the next few months. 

I'll probably try and get to the Exeter game this month.

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1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Still a bigger crowd than Bath and Exeter got this weekend? 

I agree it seems a bit on the low side but clearly there's some big crowds to come over the next few months. 

I'll probably try and get to the Exeter game this month.

It was and Wasps only got 13k, which surprised me as I thought they were up around the 17k figure.

Give I a shout if you want a pint early doors for Exeter.

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On 12/09/2016 at 14:53, Barrs Court Red said:

It was and Wasps only got 13k, which surprised me as I thought they were up around the 17k figure.

Give I a shout if you want a pint early doors for Exeter.

Looks like it might be Saracens game actually, will give you a shout

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They have just mentioned in the Newcastle v Leicester game that they are showing Bristol's next game live on BT Sport, great!  Next Friday evening btw.

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Wow!! What a result they had today......they are so weak and embarrassing at the moment. Take it for granted they played a good side today but to concede 70 is utter bull s&-t. 

Robinson was never the man to take Bristol to the next level and he's clearly proving me right. 

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Wasps were a different class to Bristol today. We looked good at times going forward but defence was a joke; wasps cut through Bristol on every attack, as the score shows. Our mini league is with Worcester, Newcastle and maybe Sale. Those are the games we must target for wins.

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I'm a relatively newcomer to rugby, so forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what can Bristol do to change things as far as bringing in players? From what I gather there isn't a transfer window as such, and players just seem to join teams without transfer fees etc? Does this happen thoughout the season, or is it pretty much settled that you go with the players you have? What about us, if we have a player who is doing well can we suddenly lose him to another team?

obviously changing the manager is an option, like I said I know very little about how the game works as far as players and coaches, but didn't the Bath manager, Mike Ford (?) become available last season, I was surprised instead of going for him we very much kept Robinson. So I guess the option to replace is not so easy now?

Did we fail to strengthen badly, ie did we do a Bristol City in our last Cotterill season and chase after players out of our reach?  Are we not attractive as it's thought newly promoted teams are also certainly relegation candidates? 

I did notice in our home match that we just weren't getting any distance when kicking the ball into touch. Gavin was again injured and we look much weaker without him, although I was impressed with Pisi and the player we got from Doncaster.

So if any of you want to help answer my stupid questions, go ahead. They say you can learn something new everyday if you are prepared to.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, RedM said:

I'm a relatively newcomer to rugby, so forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what can Bristol do to change things as far as bringing in players? From what I gather there isn't a transfer window as such, and players just seem to join teams without transfer fees etc? Does this happen thoughout the season, or is it pretty much settled that you go with the players you have? What about us, if we have a player who is doing well can we suddenly lose him to another team?

obviously changing the manager is an option, like I said I know very little about how the game works as far as players and coaches, but didn't the Bath manager, Mike Ford (?) become available last season, I was surprised instead of going for him we very much kept Robinson. So I guess the option to replace is not so easy now?

Did we fail to strengthen badly, ie did we do a Bristol City in our last Cotterill season and chase after players out of our reach?  Are we not attractive as it's thought newly promoted teams are also certainly relegation candidates? 

I did notice in our home match that we just weren't getting any distance when kicking the ball into touch. Gavin was again injured and we look much weaker without him, although I was impressed with Pisi and the player we got from Doncaster.

So if any of you want to help answer my stupid questions, go ahead. They say you can learn something new everyday if you are prepared to.

 

 

Players don't tend to switch clubs before their contracts run out, though it is possible if they're not wanted ir a compensation package is agreed. Teams can also take players on short-term contracts, basically loans, from other teams. That's not so unusual with non-international southern hemisphere players coming to the northern hemisphere as injury cover.

I think the playoffs make it difficult for Bristol to recruit as players would be less willing to commit to a side who might not be playing top flight rugby. If they survive this season then I'd expect them to bring in lots more players in the summer.

Coaches/directors of rugby don't often leave before their contracts are up or the end of the season either. I know that Holley was let go as head coach but no idea who has replaced him.

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14 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said:

Players don't tend to switch clubs before their contracts run out, though it is possible if they're not wanted ir a compensation package is agreed. Teams can also take players on short-term contracts, basically loans, from other teams. That's not so unusual with non-international southern hemisphere players coming to the northern hemisphere as injury cover.

I think the playoffs make it difficult for Bristol to recruit as players would be less willing to commit to a side who might not be playing top flight rugby. If they survive this season then I'd expect them to bring in lots more players in the summer.

Coaches/directors of rugby don't often leave before their contracts are up or the end of the season either. I know that Holley was let go as head coach but no idea who has replaced him.

Thanks for that. So I guess we have to go with what we got and hope we can beat the teams that are more equal to us and also like yesterday hope for results like when Newcastle narrowly lost to help us. 

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8 minutes ago, RedM said:

Thanks for that. So I guess we have to go with what we got and hope we can beat the teams that are more equal to us and also like yesterday hope for results like when Newcastle narrowly lost to help us. 

They also have utility back Jason Woodward to come from Wellington. Don't recall seeing him play, but he has 44 Super Rugby caps for the Rebels and Hurricanes and a couple of bad injuries prevented him from playing more so he's obviously not useless! 

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Bristol have had a fairly awful start to the season in the Premiership with three losses including a 70 point drubbing on Sunday.  It seems to me that Andy Robinson has followed Cotterill's transfer policy and not strengthened properly on winning promotion.  They lost one very good player (Genge)  from last year's squad and have introduced half a dozen journeymen and couple of decent Championship players. Hence the team is already looking uncompetitive.

I am surprised that Steve L wasn't asked to fund a few big name internationals over the summer.    

As only an occasional Bris fan I don't know if there is transfer window in rugby but it would be a real shame if they do a London Welsh and go down with a whimper (not to mention trying to sell seats for a team that is leaking tries).

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33 minutes ago, Nongazeuse said:

Bristol have had a fairly awful start to the season in the Premiership with three losses including a 70 point drubbing on Sunday.  It seems to me that Andy Robinson has followed Cotterill's transfer policy and not strengthened properly on winning promotion.  They lost one very good player (Genge)  from last year's squad and have introduced half a dozen journeymen and couple of decent Championship players. Hence the team is already looking uncompetitive.

I am surprised that Steve L wasn't asked to fund a few big name internationals over the summer.    

As only an occasional Bris fan I don't know if there is transfer window in rugby but it would be a real shame if they do a London Welsh and go down with a whimper (not to mention trying to sell seats for a team that is leaking tries).

In a nutshell, because the play offs in the championship go on so long the best players have already gone to the guaranteed Premiership rugby clubs rather than joining Bristol and hoping they go up. By the time Bristol confirmed promotion the best players had already moved leaving mostly championship players and premiership cast offs to bolster Bristol's ranks.

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You will be told by die hard arse lickers of Mr Robinson that it wasn't possible to bring in quality because of the short time between the end of the playoffs and the start of the season. I dont actually believe this. There are loads of quality players in the southern hemisphere and Bristol is due to pick up a couple in November - just a couple mind along with the other past sell by date players who were brought in..

The squad is maybe the largest in the division and also the weakest. Therefore whoever is in charge of player recruitment and retention isn't doing a very god job.

Robinson had three seasons to get it right with a relatively massive budget and limped over the line in May. He may get it right this season but I doubt it. SL seemed surprised at only 5000 ST sales but its clear there are lots of fans who are very disappointed at the business done in the summer and are waiting to see what happens over the next couple of months.

Tye difference with Steve Cotterill is that he used the relatively big budget well and smashed the league below. If you believe the rumours his Championship targets weren't backed and the rest in history (SC simply had to go)

As things stand the two rivals for the drop look far better than Bristol so SL needs to stop trusting his mucker Mr Booy and get some quality people into the club asap.

Theres a salary cap all clubs must adhere to plus you can sign a "marquee" player that doesn't affect the cap. All loose change to SL

The question people should ask is which other Premiership club would have Andy Robinson as its coach ?  he is the problem so far as i'm concerned.

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14 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

You will be told by die hard arse lickers of Mr Robinson that it wasn't possible to bring in quality because of the short time between the end of the playoffs and the start of the season. I dont actually believe this. There are loads of quality players in the southern hemisphere and Bristol is due to pick up a couple in November - just a couple mind along with the other past sell by date players who were brought in..

The squad is maybe the largest in the division and also the weakest. Therefore whoever is in charge of player recruitment and retention isn't doing a very god job.

Robinson had three seasons to get it right with a relatively massive budget and limped over the line in May. He may get it right this season but I doubt it. SL seemed surprised at only 5000 ST sales but its clear there are lots of fans who are very disappointed at the business done in the summer and are waiting to see what happens over the next couple of months.

Theres a salary cap all clubs must adhere to plus you can sign a "marquee" player that doesn't affect the cap. All loose change to SL

Imagine part of the problem until these other players see that Bristol won't be a one season wonder - why would anyone want to sign?

I was under the impression that it was now TWO marquee signings

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What a strange title and OP.

Robinson would not have survived in the cutthroat world of football, he could have been sacked 3 play offs ago, should have been sacked 2 play offs ago and came far too close to blowing it last season for comfort.

Do you believe that Cotterill, Robinson or even LJ actually determine transfer budgets? which is what ultimately defines transfer policy.

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Over 15,000 there tonight, and a bit following from Exeter too. Plenty of eating and drinking going on and a fight broke out in the SS right at the end of the match! 

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On 20 September 2016 at 14:30, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Robinson would not have survived in the cutthroat world of football, he could have been sacked 3 play offs ago, should have been sacked 2 play offs ago and came far too close to blowing it last season for comfort.

Do you believe that Cotterill, Robinson or even LJ actually determine transfer budgets? which is what ultimately defines transfer policy.

Only just saw your post EMB.

You must have a crystal ball because there was a lengthy discussion about Robinson ability to actually win anything. Failed with Scotland and hasn't achieved anything with any team he's coached. Definately some unrest amongst the rugby faithful for sure.

Bristol have been hammered in three of the first four PL games and last night they were truly hopeless in the first 20 mins,  Now I'm the first to admit that don't know a great deal about the finer points of rugby but even I could see just how great the step up is from the championship to the PL. They were outclassed all over the pitch.

Things need to change at Bristol Rugby or it's a return to the Championship in double quick time. 

 

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Exeter just seemed to have more players on the pitch on Friday! They move the ball so well and Bris had no answers. Bris seem to rely on playing a pack game whereas Exeter's running and  passing was just too much for us to deal with. 

BUT realistically these first 4 games were never going to provide wins, but missing out on a couple of bonus points could prove crucial. Games against Sale, Newcastle, Glos and Wuss should be the crucial ones - failure in those and it really will be curtains. 

Bloody loads of Chiefs fans dotted around the ground mind, not surer about the head-dresses tho!

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